Where do you think the music scene is headed in Altoona?

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MeYatch wrote:I met this dude once too, I assumed he was blowing smoke up my ass. More power to you if you're the real deal, but I lived in dudley for 20 years and its hard to imagine a high powered record exec coming out of there....
i don't remember him saying he was a high-powereed record exec.

i can't believe paul didn't bust out the seal yet.

i'm seeing more 180s than on the Xgames. :lol:
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Mind boggling.

First off, I do not know Jim Alford. I’ve read this thread several times and from what I determined there is a guy who started a thread to foster some discussion on what’s going on in our area (the scene, for lack of a better word). He didn’t make any big promises. It was a little vague, sure, but it was to stimulate some discussions and looking for comments. Ladies and gentlemen what is the problem with that?

He asked the questions of why there are no indie labels in the area as a result of the talent that resides here and what can be done to improve things? Of course, as so often happens here on rockpage, the guy gets flamed and challenged. I think most of you missed the point of the thread. If you read a little further into it you may even assume he’s asking what can we do to help each other.

I’m appalled and embarrassed by how this gentleman has been treated. “Come see my band”, “Im so jaded and jerked over I don’t trust….”, “you are a [insert disrespectful comment here]”, and so on. Again, the man was asking for some dialogue, why the hate and bitterness? For those of you who are so jaded and bitter, then maybe it’s time to hang it up. Those of us who have been in the business long enough have at one time or another been offered the key to the treasure chest only to have it snatched away or been lied to and cheated. I liked the comment about the guy who has been playing out only a year who said he has heard everything. Man, oh man, are you ever in for a rude awakening….and I mean no disrespect with that statement either friend. It’s part of the damn game. This isn’t the business for the weak and the undetermined.

There are some folks on here who need to grow up and put on the big boy pants. Stop it with the pissing and moaning, the negativity and disrespect. Actually, some of you sound like a bunch of whiny school girls with entitlement issues.

As someone who has been in the music business in this area and others for well over 2 decades it’s frustrating to have a local musician’s message board ruined by people who don’t know the meaning of civility and respect. Outside of the benefits organized on rockpage (which are no small things), rockpage is only relevant to those who post here. There are good people from all aspects of the business who lurk and learn here, who will not join because they don’t want their good names ruined or they don’t want to be part of an atmosphere that has no real professional standards or a code of conduct that represents the good musicians and business men and women in the area.

And so here is yet more proof of someone with good intentions being treated horribly on rockpage. And for what reason? Rockpage is also known as something else: “blackball page”.

The hand you bite off today could have been the hand to help feed you the next day.

It’s something to think about for future reference.
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I don't see how asking who the dude was is disrespectful. I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills or something. What is wrong with knowing a dude's name?

My name's Mitch, in case anyone doesn't know....
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4_the_pocket said:
Mind boggling.

First off, I do not know Jim Alford. I’ve read this thread several times and from what I determined there is a guy who started a thread to foster some discussion on what’s going on in our area (the scene, for lack of a better word). He didn’t make any big promises. It was a little vague, sure, but it was to stimulate some discussions and looking for comments. Ladies and gentlemen what is the problem with that?

He asked the questions of why there are no indie labels in the area as a result of the talent that resides here and what can be done to improve things? Of course, as so often happens here on rockpage, the guy gets flamed and challenged. I think most of you missed the point of the thread. If you read a little further into it you may even assume he’s asking what can we do to help each other.

I’m appalled and embarrassed by how this gentleman has been treated. “Come see my band”, “Im so jaded and jerked over I don’t trust….”, “you are a [insert disrespectful comment here]”, and so on. Again, the man was asking for some dialogue, why the hate and bitterness? For those of you who are so jaded and bitter, then maybe it’s time to hang it up. Those of us who have been in the business long enough have at one time or another been offered the key to the treasure chest only to have it snatched away or been lied to and cheated. I liked the comment about the guy who has been playing out only a year who said he has heard everything. Man, oh man, are you ever in for a rude awakening….and I mean no disrespect with that statement either friend. It’s part of the damn game. This isn’t the business for the weak and the undetermined.

There are some folks on here who need to grow up and put on the big boy pants. Stop it with the pissing and moaning, the negativity and disrespect. Actually, some of you sound like a bunch of whiny school girls with entitlement issues.

As someone who has been in the music business in this area and others for well over 2 decades it’s frustrating to have a local musician’s message board ruined by people who don’t know the meaning of civility and respect. Outside of the benefits organized on rockpage (which are no small things), rockpage is only relevant to those who post here. There are good people from all aspects of the business who lurk and learn here, who will not join because they don’t want their good names ruined or they don’t want to be part of an atmosphere that has no real professional standards or a code of conduct that represents the good musicians and business men and women in the area.

And so here is yet more proof of someone with good intentions being treated horribly on rockpage. And for what reason? Rockpage is also known as something else: “blackball page”.

The hand you bite off today could have been the hand to help feed you the next day.

It’s something to think about for future reference.
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MeYatch wrote:I don't see how asking who the dude was is disrespectful. I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills or something. What is wrong with knowing a dude's name?

My name's Mitch, in case anyone doesn't know....
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4_the_pocket wrote: civility and respect.
8)

I know I've crossed that line before...

But the two words that go hand in hand with "civility and respect" is 'self discipline'. :wink:
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4_the_pocket wrote:Mind boggling.
I’m appalled and embarrassed by how this gentleman has been treated.
Me too.
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Here bust this guys chops..............

http://www.rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=22711

Not one bust on a DJ posting ads on a MUSICIAN friendly site but your giving herman a hard time for trying to share some excellent ideas......
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That DJ guy plays bass for a band. On a cd you can buy in stores. I think he is more than welcome.
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here's an idea:

How feasible is it to start a local radio station that played local bands?
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MeYatch wrote:here's an idea:

How feasible is it to start a local radio station that played local bands?
were you thinking like an actual fm station or something like internet radio?
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That DJ guy plays bass for a band. On a cd you can buy in stores. I think he is more than welcome.
Thats cool but i don't see what his band is maybe he should have it on here!! Just thought that it was amusing that everyone b!@#$s about DJ's and nobody even busted on the post!


here's an idea:
How feasible is it to start a local radio station that played local bands?

excellent idea! maybe get in with one of the local colleges and see if some student would be interested in doing somthing as part of there radio shows or something![/quote]
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i'll second that, JP.

jiminy christmas. this is why i so rarely frequent the forums. can't we all just get along? there's nothing at all wrong with a healthy debate, but full on attacks of members (known or unknown) are really a detriment to this site and to the bands.

Jim, i don't know you, but i appreciate anyone who takes a genuine interest in the local music scene and wants to help it thrive. Welcome!
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faceoffmuzik wrote:
MeYatch wrote:here's an idea:

How feasible is it to start a local radio station that played local bands?
were you thinking like an actual fm station or something like internet radio?
an actual FM station, not to be malicious, but nobody listens to internet radio.
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MeYatch wrote:
an actual FM station, not to be malicious, but nobody listens to internet radio.
agreed. so i guess the next logical step would be to make a new thread and talk with some people who are in working in broadcasting.

great idea though.

someone above said about college radio, is that still in existence at the altoona campus?
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I bet local band members would volunteer to DJ for an hour or however long it takes.

You could break stuff up by genre and only play a certain kind during a certain time.

I just wonder how much it costs to start up, and then run.
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I think this thread is finally taking a good turn!!!

I agree with Faceoff we should start a new thread...

I'm sure the JP will be along to maybe give some advice and or suggestions..
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Rmember... You have the "FCC" to deal with... :wink:
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I was a bit apprehensive when I first got into contact with Jim Allford, and I think he sensed that so he hooked our group up with the Sirius/XM radio DJ that Phil spoke of. Jim just connected our group with an old friend of his. I couldn't find where to submit music to Sirius/XM so yes, this was a connection that worked for us.

Genya Ravan, the Sirius/XM DJ who has QUITE the history in the "biz" herself, happened to really like our material so she picked a tune and played it along with giving our bio info to her listeners. That act alone deserved a visit last week from Phil and I. Thanks, Jim and Genya!

I would recommend Jim to anyone on here, but as he said so himself, he IS like Chef Gordon Ramsey! He will give it to you straight. You may NOT like what you hear, or you may take the constructive criticism for what it is worth coming from an industry vet such as Jim Allford. We happened to fit right into this particular station's format so it worked for us, and for the record, we haven't paid Jim Allford ANYTHING to date for his services.

It's totally understandable that some of us might not want what Jim Allford may have to offer, but we can't continue to assume that every outsider Rockpage is the enemy. Jimmie does have quite the history in the music industry and this IS ROCKpage so welcome to Rockpage, Jim Allford!

Some of us may not be trying to "tap into the masses" and that's not a problem, but others who visit this site may be trying to have some semblance of a living with consistent gigs and exposure in and outside of this area, and guys like Jim can help. Don't be afraid to jump in the water. It could be cold, hot, just right, or it may burn you like acid, but try not to pass judgment until you've at least gotten wet.

I hope this post finds a little peace for my fellow skeptics and cynics. I don't post here much at all, but I watch Rockpage because it has the potential to be the greatest local-music entity outside of the human realm! It's also great to see the other lurkers come out of the woodwork for the positive threads and support of fellow members!

For the record..screw the FCC and the media conglomerates that it enabled to take over the airwaves by monopolizing Mainstream Media. A mobile PIRATE music station is in order for the area just like in the movie "Pump Up The Volume"! Arrrgh!
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Herman wrote:My name is JIM ALLFORD and you can find me on Myspace....I've worked with some of the best in the music biz and there's NOT a perosn that doesn't know me. I worked with the producer of LIVE AND LET DIE by Paul McCartney during my internship. I have promo press kits from JET, NICKELBACK, and the list goes on and on. I have connections with booking agents, the major and indie labels....even though quite a few were canned over the recent years. I'm good friends with Andrew Gold, Liberty Divittio, and the list goes on and on. Tony Yayo is, also, a friend of mine....I worked w/ Jimmy Iovine; INTERSCOPE RECORDS, at a radio station during the '70's reviewing lp's there. Larry Fast and Denny Somach , also, worked there....we were very good friends. I guess that's it......so, now who wants to talk.......?
I never heard of you. So I guess there are people who don't know you. So sure of yourself, eh? Then it could also be the kind of music you do. What is it again?
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The loco music scene is for shit compared to what it used to be. it's not going to get any better. it's going to get even worse.

you got DUI checkpoints, johnny law , PLCB undercover, helicopters

it's a nightmare out there. the good ole days are over. the high fruits been picked rotting apples all that's l;eft:(
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mjb wrote:.

i can't believe paul didn't bust out the seal yet.
Actually, I've been taking a self-imposed hiatus from posting on Rockpage because the political BS was just getting too much for me to handle. I only broke that once, when I thanked someone from another band playing in the same town as we are tonight for promoing our show as well and theirs in the Show forum. I thought that was a very classy thing to do, so I couldn't let that go without showing appreciation.

But Mike's right. If any thread deserves the Seal of Approval, it's this one...

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Okay, now that's out of the way. I might as well come back from my posting sabbatical and give my two cents, because I've been reading this thread ever since it was first posted.

Yes, if you're a musician, you're jaded. I think that it's naive to think that we, as musicians, should just automatically accept an outsider who's "in the industry" without first asking the hard questions. Is that a cynical stance to take? Yes, it is. But since I've started playing music, I've had enough smoke blown up my ass that my mouth could be used as a chimney. You have fly by night booking agents that think they can get you into rooms that you can get yourself into anyways. Every garage band looking for a new musician has "label interest." Oh, then there's my favorite: promoters who think you should do their jobs and sell tickets just to open for C-list national acts. There are blood-suckers in this industry, from the local cover band level to the touring national band level. I'm one of the last people to ever be xenophobic, but I like to really understand who I'm dealing with. I think that's why Rob B. wanted to know who was this person: He's been around the block a few times. He's heard a lot of BS, so yeah, he's going to be jaded too.

I don't know who is this Jim/Herman cat. If he's doing good things, then that's awesome. I'm not saying he's a snake. I'm not saying he's shiftee. I'm saying that if you want to do all you say you are going to do, then be ready to state your credibility. He kind of threw out his resume/CV, but it still didn't tell me much. He knows some cats in the business. That's cool. We work with the former tour manager of the Dixie Chicks and Reba McEntire on a regular basis - So do the Slacker Theory guys. He's helped us a lot, but we work with him because he's a credible cat and doesn't blow smoke up our asses. That's cool he helped Phil's band get some airtime. Again, I really don't have an opinion either way about this Herman cat. I'm an empiricist. I want to see what this cat's really about.

As far as what the scene needs. Call me cynical, but majority of people here bitch and moan and really don't do anything. I learned that when I was part of PACAG and tried to fight the noise gestapo that is responsible for us losing venues. A bunch of us dedicated our time to the cause, but most people didn't want to do shit or found an excuse for not wanting to do shit. Of course, they're the first to complain when a venue gets hit with a noise violation. My interest is very much piqued over Brian's indie label. Why? Because I know Brian and I know that Brian's actually a change agent. He doesn't talk about a bunch of stuff that he has no intention in enacting. Jim Price is a change agent as well. I consider the Straw brothers change agents. Hawk's a change agent. These are people who do, not just talk about what should be done. I'd work with any of them on any project they want to do. I know that they get things done. I'm not naming names, but I know that many other people who are big talk here wouldn't walk the walk when the time comes.

Well, my first post back wasn't very PC, but I think that some good points got brought up and they need to be discussed. Now I'm going to go post in the Harry thread, which is the thread that, in hindsight, should have probably got me posting again anyways.

...I know return you to your regularly scheduled thread. :D
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I've got nothing against 'Herman', but the fact he sounded offended that anyone would invite him out when he can just listen to samples over the internet made me leery...

I'll give him the same chance I give everyone, first impressions be damned. Actions that effect me are what molds my opinions of a person. I don't give a damn what he's done in the past, his time may have come and gone. It helps to know that kind of stuff to judge is ability to start something. Its only 'what can you do for me now' that matters in the long run..

Side note:
Most of the people I've met that have been in the industry tend to have the same kind of M.O./personality; kinda vague, secretive, willing to hold a grudge, and thrive on their connections more than any talent. (just being up front, not insulting here).

For these people if its not in writing and signed, you have to be vague. If you want to keep your shirt on your back, you have to secretive. If you want to get respect you have to remember who respected you (and pay them their dues for it) and who did you wrong.

The same situations that formed your musician point of view of these people, also formed his point of view. Just a slight bit of difference in the players involved.


I realize that time is a constant for everyone and how you spend it matters, but supporting other bands in live venues is how we keep places to play. Not by name-dropping (even though it can be fun, and I can do it too 8) ).

And yes I do see there is more to local music than bars to play at, but to be honest you rarely make live-off-the-music money slinging CD's on the internet. You need to get in the trenches and scream at drunk people sometimes :) Plus its a hell of a lot more fun than sitting in a studio.

This is the majority of the people that are skeptics in situations like this.

Even those people need to take stock and consider that making it big has just about the same odds as winning the lottery. Special exceptions do apply to that, but generally it holds. So its not going to hurt to just sit back and let the guy do his thing. Just watch out for your own and all will be good.


Edit: and what Paul said.
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Poor guy(herm) getting shit for doing what he loves.
Sounds like most of us at 1 point in time ?????

Herm you can stay at my crib anytime.
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