Where do you think the music scene is headed in Altoona?
Where's the scene going? > In the toilet.slackin@dabass wrote:where's the scene headed?
out of altoona, it'd seem. unless your ok with playing the same 4 rooms every weekend.
an indie label in altoona? what could it offer bands in the area? what kind of bands would you put on the label? how does one start building their own label?
An indie label in Altoona > Toilet Inc.
How does one start building their own label? > No matter how deep the shit gets around here, the truth is there is a TON of talented musicians here in the toilet town of Altoona......and I love this place.
Anyway, I would just get a bunch of my local favorites and we could all just "band" together and record, merchandise, and promote the shit out of each other until we made an impact on not only this "scene" but any others that we could rape and pillage. I would love to be part of any label that is not only dedicated to the music they love, but also loyal to the fellow musicians that choose to be an active part of the "label." Hey if Eminem and Dr. Dre and the rest of the Hip-Hop community can do it, why the hell can't we?
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Be nice to Herman.. he is not a Troll and he does know what he is talking about.. His points are very relevant..and I think he is right.. our band is independent. We self produce everything that we offer.
I have many ideas but everyone around here is so goofy.. or just don't give a shit..
we need to do what it takes to eliminate that attitude. I'm not trying to
sound like an asshole here but, the negativity that runs rampant thru this area has got to stop in order to see any real change for the scene.
To quote willy wonka, "We are the makers of music...We are the dreamers of dreams." In other words, this is what you make it, whether it be positive or negative...it's up to us..
I believe there is great talent around here.. and if everyone united to build something.. we can make this area seem larger than life... and then maybe some agencies/musically-driven companies would set up shop, OR
maybe just maybe the agencies that are already here would give the local talent the time of day as they dont without "battle of the band"s and other scene - dividing activities. I want a music showcase like in harrisburg.. but right here in altoona... because we are centrally located... we cant help the fact that venues are disappearing, the only thing we can do is nurture what we already have. I miss peter C's. I miss Burgi's but, I am not hurting for shows as a result of the closing of these venues.
I have many ideas but everyone around here is so goofy.. or just don't give a shit..
we need to do what it takes to eliminate that attitude. I'm not trying to
sound like an asshole here but, the negativity that runs rampant thru this area has got to stop in order to see any real change for the scene.
To quote willy wonka, "We are the makers of music...We are the dreamers of dreams." In other words, this is what you make it, whether it be positive or negative...it's up to us..
I believe there is great talent around here.. and if everyone united to build something.. we can make this area seem larger than life... and then maybe some agencies/musically-driven companies would set up shop, OR
maybe just maybe the agencies that are already here would give the local talent the time of day as they dont without "battle of the band"s and other scene - dividing activities. I want a music showcase like in harrisburg.. but right here in altoona... because we are centrally located... we cant help the fact that venues are disappearing, the only thing we can do is nurture what we already have. I miss peter C's. I miss Burgi's but, I am not hurting for shows as a result of the closing of these venues.
Recording Records DIY, with more than one good song. Watch for my new band
"This Albatross"
"This Albatross"
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The only so-called 'indie' labels I know of just rape and pillage the bands that they've 'signed'.
There are too many 'indie' labels that go no where, I would have to say the percentage is the same as bands that go no where...
Why? Because the 'indie' label(s) that do end up going anywhere, did so on the backs of the band(s) that were going somewhere no matter what 'indie' label they were signed to.
Sorry, I'm the biggest 'indie' label cynic you'll ever come across. You won't convince me they are any good.
In this day and age, anyone with $200 can get a run of CD's made. Anyone with $300 can get a run of T-shirts made. Anyone with $1000 and material can get a decent sounding recording made.
The only thing that is hard to come by, and Mr. Price hit on it, is gigs.
IMO This area doesn't need another go-nowhere indie label...
The more I think about all this the more I'm drawn not to labels and talent, both are abundant everywhere, but more to a general decline in society.
It costs a fortune to put on a show at a place like the 'State Theatre' (like $2000 just for the room and extra if you want any staff to run anything (not allowed to DIY)). Thats a lot of risk for the promoter, but also for the Theatre. If anything goes wrong you've got law suits out the wazoo.
Even if you were to make a place like that and have it DIY, you can't trust anyone with equipment that isn't theirs these days... Unless you are a lawyer, it'll just cost less to replace the damaged equipment than sue the party who broke it.. And they know that before they turned the stuff on and broke it. So why man up and say "I've got that, my bad" when you can just walk, knowing they'll just put themselves deeper in the hole trying to come after you.
And if the equipment you just broke injured you, well then you can just sue the Theatre for your rockstar-riches.
And thats just in the few people that are in positions of responsibility. Then you have the many 'fans' that won't care if they piss on the floor in the bathroom, or damage a seat or two. So you need security to keep people honest, there is another grand or so..
They'll sue you for not putting up "Don't trip on your own shoes" signs, if they trip on their own shoes during the show. So you need crap loads of liability insurance...
I guess its no wonder why owners don't want bands..
There are too many 'indie' labels that go no where, I would have to say the percentage is the same as bands that go no where...
Why? Because the 'indie' label(s) that do end up going anywhere, did so on the backs of the band(s) that were going somewhere no matter what 'indie' label they were signed to.
Sorry, I'm the biggest 'indie' label cynic you'll ever come across. You won't convince me they are any good.
In this day and age, anyone with $200 can get a run of CD's made. Anyone with $300 can get a run of T-shirts made. Anyone with $1000 and material can get a decent sounding recording made.
The only thing that is hard to come by, and Mr. Price hit on it, is gigs.
IMO This area doesn't need another go-nowhere indie label...
The more I think about all this the more I'm drawn not to labels and talent, both are abundant everywhere, but more to a general decline in society.
It costs a fortune to put on a show at a place like the 'State Theatre' (like $2000 just for the room and extra if you want any staff to run anything (not allowed to DIY)). Thats a lot of risk for the promoter, but also for the Theatre. If anything goes wrong you've got law suits out the wazoo.
Even if you were to make a place like that and have it DIY, you can't trust anyone with equipment that isn't theirs these days... Unless you are a lawyer, it'll just cost less to replace the damaged equipment than sue the party who broke it.. And they know that before they turned the stuff on and broke it. So why man up and say "I've got that, my bad" when you can just walk, knowing they'll just put themselves deeper in the hole trying to come after you.
And if the equipment you just broke injured you, well then you can just sue the Theatre for your rockstar-riches.
And thats just in the few people that are in positions of responsibility. Then you have the many 'fans' that won't care if they piss on the floor in the bathroom, or damage a seat or two. So you need security to keep people honest, there is another grand or so..
They'll sue you for not putting up "Don't trip on your own shoes" signs, if they trip on their own shoes during the show. So you need crap loads of liability insurance...
I guess its no wonder why owners don't want bands..
The real concept of an indie label to have the majors buy them out, period! I agree, there are quite a few indie labels that are shams and nothing more....I could give you the names of them! I been there quite a few times...I never work without a contract and whenever I get a contract I get my lawyer proof read it to make sure it's legit! [I have a few legit contracts myself!] Need more be said? Oh yea, you don't have the goods on the indie label the majors won't give you the time of day...this is a fact.
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Yea, actually there is something wrong with this picture. You are going on and on about the scene, but now you are saying you can just hear us online? Well what about the music scene? If you want to be an activist for the scene, then you ought to support it, rather than making big talk without backing up anything you say. I hope to see you tonight.Herman wrote:Hmmmmmm...when I can hear your band over the net, why must I be there? Is there something wrong with this picture?
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Guys, Herman is and HAS been in the actual music biz for years....at least whatever remnants are left of it! It also seems that you are splitting hairs when talking about seeing you live, and hearing you online. I would say to NOT attack someone who you know nothing about. Remember our discussion on class? You never know who you are attacking.
a general decline in society?? Maybe your right, but Herman is just throwing some ideas out there...no need to "call him out" as it's what seems to happen in every stinking thread on here. If you don't like his ideas, and opinions...fine. As far as I'm concerned, local musicians seem to be the "trolls" around here. On a whole other note....
a general decline in society?? Maybe your right, but Herman is just throwing some ideas out there...no need to "call him out" as it's what seems to happen in every stinking thread on here. If you don't like his ideas, and opinions...fine. As far as I'm concerned, local musicians seem to be the "trolls" around here. On a whole other note....
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You know, maybe I'm over reacting a bit. I tend to do that. However, come to this forum like you have all the answers, and don't even tell us your name? Who are you? What can you do for the scene? Apparently he can't come out to support live music, so that's the first strike. I really hope he comes out tonight, I wanna meet him.
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Why are you guys so defensive about NOTHING? Ideas, aspirations, and the start of something new and different...does that sound like a troll or an idiot?
Herman, please continue because I like what you are saying even if a lot of it is in theory.
Why must the minority that doesn't share the same "ideas" and "views" as a few on here call people idiots and trolls? It just isn't very classy. Welcome to Rockpage, Herman.
Herman, please continue because I like what you are saying even if a lot of it is in theory.
Why must the minority that doesn't share the same "ideas" and "views" as a few on here call people idiots and trolls? It just isn't very classy.
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JP had some excellent points regarding the attendence of local shows. How do we get more people to local shows?
Rob, maybe he has other plans. Maybe it's too far of a drive. Maybe he doesn't like the tone of your posts? If it were ME that you were talking to, I might be offended, but I know you and I know what to expect.
There are people out there that could potentionally throw you a bone.. what if a guy came on here tomorrow and said, "hey Rob, I like what your group is doing,...you are gonna open for 3 days grace, next Wednesday"
You would probably cut the dude down and say, "who the eff do you think you are? Your a no-one just like the other idiots that have come and gone."
I'm not saying you WOULD say that but, can you see where someone would be coming from if they saw what you posted here? What happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt especially when the "troll" is "trolling" about positive things within the musical community..
How was the wedding, congrats, if I didnt say it before.. please tell be you didnt have a D.J.?!
Rob, maybe he has other plans. Maybe it's too far of a drive. Maybe he doesn't like the tone of your posts? If it were ME that you were talking to, I might be offended, but I know you and I know what to expect.
There are people out there that could potentionally throw you a bone.. what if a guy came on here tomorrow and said, "hey Rob, I like what your group is doing,...you are gonna open for 3 days grace, next Wednesday"
You would probably cut the dude down and say, "who the eff do you think you are? Your a no-one just like the other idiots that have come and gone."
I'm not saying you WOULD say that but, can you see where someone would be coming from if they saw what you posted here? What happened to giving people the benefit of the doubt especially when the "troll" is "trolling" about positive things within the musical community..
How was the wedding, congrats, if I didnt say it before.. please tell be you didnt have a D.J.?!
Recording Records DIY, with more than one good song. Watch for my new band
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I totally understand that.....I even question myself....why am I here? I want to put a fire under everyone's a** and for you to take a good look what you have...you have more than some people , but what is lacking? I can't answer that, the artists/bands need to look into themselves for what they want and need...I support local music all the way....I always did and always will....you know the next SRV could be playing in a basement somehere in Altoona this very minute...
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Ok Jim, don't come out and see us then. We could be the next big thing, and you're missing it!Herman wrote:I totally understand that.....I even question myself....why am I here? I want to put a fire under everyone's a** and for you to take a good look what you have...you have more than some people , but what is lacking? I can't answer that, the artists/bands need to look into themselves for what they want and need...I support local music all the way....I always did and always will....you know the next SRV could be playing in a basement somehere in Altoona this very minute...