what islam is not.

[RobTheDrummer]

I love all these people that stick up for people who would walk into their house and slit their children's throats right in front of them. You guys are brainwashed to be too sensitive to these fucking assholes that want us dead. Yea it's like the cold war, threat wise, not action wise. We took action and stopped it so it didn't happen. The past is past, this is the threat to the world now, but some people don't even watch or listen to what their mission is. They cry that we hate these people. Well they want the west dead, and it's gonna be worse than 9-11 someday because of passive thinking like this.

[VENTGtr]

Slackin',

No, I'm not saying,or presuming, your views on Islam at all. Just as I'm
not defending all of what Muslims do. I, to, am an Atheist. I also have
respect for how others choose to believe, and that they have a right to
do so, as long as they're not infringing on others to do the same.

Like I said, I have Muslim friends who don't believe in the extremist side,
and, although they'd never say it, from what I know about their religion,
they're more likely to see me, as a NON-believer period as an infidel more
than a born again Christian. Jesus is held in high esteem in the Koran,
as a matter of fact.

Also, there ARE Christians in many parts of the world who ARE just as
much terrorist. In India, for example, there are terrorist attacks against
Hindus and Buddhist by Christian groups and there's a lot of evidence
that these groups are being funded by Christian groups in the West.

Even on parts of Europe in the last decades, people were killed for
their faith, and the people starting the killing, and committing the most
unbelievable atrocities weren't the Muslims.

There are people on RP who are Christian for whom I have a lot of respect for their beliefs. Rick, who owns Ace's, is a great guy, sticks
to his beliefs and they're very important to him. I, obviously, don't agree
with his belief, but honour them and respect them.

LW,

Point is that, even on our TV, there are people preaching about "attacks"
on Christianity, how "we" need get back to that belief system, how it's
how we all should believe, etc. And you'll see the clowns on yer fave
cable news networks regularly.

Isn't it about time for "ASSAULT ON EASTER"? bits?


Also, how is a YT Video being held as such a pinnacle on info?

Even little things like percentages per. The population of Muslims in
the U.S. is closer to 4% than, the what, 1.9% the show. That alone
kind of skewers their "progress" of acclimation. The McDonald's?
No idea where that is. For all any of us know it's in Alexandria and
they're now serving Halal prepared food to increase revenue.

BUT, if it WAS in Australia:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/aust ... uslim-food


I like the last line in the article. Nope, not just another religion...a
marketing goldmine, apparently.

[bassist_25]

There's that crayon that half of Rockpage members were missing during their youth!

Perhaps they all went to Burger King.

[RobTheDrummer]

Slackin',

No, I'm not saying,or presuming, your views on Islam at all. Just as I'm
not defending all of what Muslims do. I, to, am an Atheist. I also have
respect for how others choose to believe, and that they have a right to
do so, as long as they're not infringing on others to do the same.

Like I said, I have Muslim friends who don't believe in the extremist side,
and, although they'd never say it, from what I know about their religion,
they're more likely to see me, as a NON-believer period as an infidel more
than a born again Christian. Jesus is held in high esteem in the Koran,
as a matter of fact.

Also, there ARE Christians in many parts of the world who ARE just as
much terrorist. In India, for example, there are terrorist attacks against
Hindus and Buddhist by Christian groups and there's a lot of evidence
that these groups are being funded by Christian groups in the West.

Even on parts of Europe in the last decades, people were killed for
their faith, and the people starting the killing, and committing the most
unbelievable atrocities weren't the Muslims.

There are people on RP who are Christian for whom I have a lot of respect for their beliefs. Rick, who owns Ace's, is a great guy, sticks
to his beliefs and they're very important to him. I, obviously, don't agree
with his belief, but honour them and respect them.

LW,

Point is that, even on our TV, there are people preaching about "attacks"
on Christianity, how "we" need get back to that belief system, how it's
how we all should believe, etc. And you'll see the clowns on yer fave
cable news networks regularly.

Isn't it about time for "ASSAULT ON EASTER"? bits?


Also, how is a YT Video being held as such a pinnacle on info?

Even little things like percentages per. The population of Muslims in
the U.S. is closer to 4% than, the what, 1.9% the show. That alone
kind of skewers their "progress" of acclimation. The McDonald's?
No idea where that is. For all any of us know it's in Alexandria and
they're now serving Halal prepared food to increase revenue.

BUT, if it WAS in Australia:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/aust ... uslim-food


I like the last line in the article. Nope, not just another religion...a
marketing goldmine, apparently.

I'd like to see evidence that christians are a world wide hate group that kill everyone they don't believe what they do. I can show you an article every single day of innocent people killed by musilms.

[VENTGtr]

I'm so freakin' hungry...Wonder if you can get a kosher Whopper?

[RobTheDrummer]

Paul, I thought you were an intellectual? I wanna know your take on this stuff.

[bassist_25]

Paul, I thought you were an intellectual? I wanna know your take on this stuff.

My take is the pictures I'm throwing up to be ironic. It's not a black and white issue. There are more than two sides. There are three sides...four sides...five sides. Muslim extremists suck. Not every Muslim is an extremist. Some Christians are extremists. Some Christians are cool (I'm a Christian, but I err on the side of lameness more than coolness). Some scientologists are shitty people.

...but it's always a black and white issue on Rockpage. Everyone has everything figured out, even if they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The world begins and ends at the borders of Blair and Cambria Counties. I don't have a solution to this problem, a problem that goes deeper than just people who read the Koran want to blow us up. And I'm fine with admitting that. I don't armchair quarter-back, and I take great efforts not to talk out of my ass (though to be fair, everyone talks out their asses every now and then). The problem of Muslim extremism is a scary one. Fanaticism at any level is incredibly scary, whether it's fanaticism for a religious belief, a political ideology, or for a certain flavor of ice cream. Okay, maybe I'm grasping for straws with that last one. Bottom-line: The world's not as simplistic as it gets presented here, and that goes from everything from booking your new band's first gig to the sociology behind religious fervor.

...an intellectual? That's way too fuckin' pretentious for me.

[VENTGtr]

I love all these people that stick up for people who would walk into their house and slit their children's throats right in front of them. You guys are brainwashed to be too sensitive to these fucking assholes that want us dead..

Someone is a real threat to my family they're day is ruined. Don't care
what faith, colour, favourite Simpson's episode, nuthin' else is. I'm also
not afraid of everything that I don't/won't understand.

[RobTheDrummer]

Paul, I thought you were an intellectual? I wanna know your take on this stuff.

My take is the pictures I'm throwing up to be ironic. It's not a black and white issue. There are more than two sides. There are three sides...four sides...five sides. Muslim extremists suck. Not every Muslim is an extremist. Some Christians are extremists. Some Christians are cool (I'm a Christian, but I err on the side of lameness more than coolness). Some scientologists are shitty people.

...but it's always a black and white issue on Rockpage. Everyone has everything figured out, even if they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The world begins and ends at the borders of Blair and Cambria Counties. I don't have a solution to this problem, a problem that goes deeper than just people who read the Koran want to blow us up. And I'm fine with admitting that. I don't armchair quarter-back, and I take great efforts not to talk out of my ass (though to be fair, everyone talks out their asses every now and then). The problem of Muslim extremism is a scary one. Fanaticism at any level is incredibly scary, whether it's fanaticism for a religious belief, a political ideology, or for a certain flavor of ice cream. Okay, maybe I'm grasping for straws with that last one. Bottom-line: The world's not as simplistic as it gets presented here, and that goes from everything from booking your new band's first gig to the sociology behind religious fervor.

...an intellectual? That's way too fuckin' pretentious for me.

I understand where you are coming from, but this shit is cut and dry. I know not all Muslims are out to get us. You gotta understand where the shit comes from. When you see it everyday, and hear about it everyday that Muslim extremists want to kill all that don't obey....well maybe I am a little harsh, but I'm not gonna roll over like a lot of people and ignore it, like it never goes on. You see videos of children being taught to hate the west and kill the west. Women being oppressed, people in mosques chanting to kill kill kill....what a religion of peace that is....I may be from bumfuck PA, but that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.

[JackANSI]

I remember reading about this concept once or twice...

About not doing something to someone else or doing something to someone else...

I can't think of how the rest goes.. Its a kinda circular argument, but its bi-directionally so.

And I think some guy around 2000 years ago was all preachy about it. The then-current establishment blamed all of them for some kind of plot to destroy the known world and started to kill them. I can't think of who that preachy guy was though. I think they might have named a statue after him or something... Nevermind... must not have been important.

All I can say is you anti-muslim people are being a bit extremist about it. Crap.. another circular argument.

[VENTGtr]

Rob (The Drummer variety),

The Muslim extremist are nuts. But, they have an easier time recruiting
people who are desperate.

And there are people of other religions who think like this. As mentioned
before, Timothy McVeigh was from here, a "Christian", and he's not alone
in his thinking.

[JackANSI]

Another thing that 2000 year ago guy talked about.. intolerance. But you know how those fruitcakes talked way back then.. all... preachy...

[RobTheDrummer]

I remember reading about this concept once or twice...

About not doing something to someone else or doing something to someone else...

I can't think of how the rest goes.. Its a kinda circular argument, but its bi-directionally so.

And I think some guy around 2000 years ago was all preachy about it. The then-current establishment blamed all of them for some kind of plot to destroy the known world and started to kill them. I can't think of who that preachy guy was though. I think they might have named a statue after him or something... Nevermind... must not have been important.

All I can say is you anti-muslim people are being a bit extremist about it. Crap.. another circular argument.

It's not that I'm anti-Muslim, they bring that shit on themselves.

[RobTheDrummer]

Rob,

The Muslim extremist are nuts. But, they have an easier time recruiting
people who are desperate.

And there are people of other religions who think like this. As mentioned
before, Timothy McVeigh was from here, a "Christian", and he's not alone
in his thinking.

Hey man, Timothy McVeigh was fucked up. I guarantee he wasn't a devout believer. Domestic terrorism sucks, but it's not near the magnitude of Islamic Jihad. These people are taught by their religion to kill. I dunno about you, but I went to church when I was a kid. Thou shalt not kill was something we were taught.

[nakedtwister]

McVeigh stopped being a Christian the second he started ploting to kill helpless people. It's one thing to wage war on someone but to blind side the innocent is purely Sadistic. At least in a war you have the choice to fight back. McVeigh was no Christian. The Muslim extremists are not Holy warriors. They are fucking cowards. I agree that not all Muslims are evil as well as any other religious group but how do you know that your Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Catholic, Buddist, Morman, friend isn't an extremist ready to behead you at the drop of a dime. In addition, I have seen nowhere in this thread where it became a Black/ White issue.
2 Cents

[VENTGtr]

Yep, I grew up Southern Baptist. Sat in one those little white protypical
Texas churches, then one a bit bigger, of the Evangelical variety, up here,
a whole lot.

Things in the book just don't add up and I came to the conclusion I just
don't believe it.

And, ya, killing is wrong, so is hate and prejudice. The people you mention
as being taught by their religion to kill are a minority. The common people
in "those" countries don't hate you, and would probably be the most
accommodating you'd ever meet. For the most part, they just want to
raise their families in peace, and live their lives.

Like I said, I'm not going to condone what a few do, but it can't be put
on an entire faith. If it is, it has to be put on them all in the same regard.

The Muslims I know don't see Al Qeada as true believers in Islam, and
what is now seen as a "Jihad" as a bastardization what it's meant to be
in the Koran (Technically, it's an internal struggle within each person
to achieve piety).

You mentioned wanting to know where Christianity was a world threat.
I don't see it as such. But, I don't see Islam as one either. Are there
elements that are a threat? Yep. Let's try to work so they don't have
reasons to give in recruiting or give them breeding grounds.

Like I said, there are places in the world where the "terrorist" are a
Christian variety. I doubt Jesus would dig them all that much, either.
Think that's the guy Rob was thinkin' of. Him or Roberto Montalbon.

[nakedtwister]

What about Herve Villaches?

"Boss De Plane, De Plane " !!!

[VENTGtr]

Oh, Herves part of the Trinity....Ricardo, Herves...and Charo. Had
to do a search for frequent guest stars...She was most fun one).

Zee Pllaaaaaaaaaane!

[Ron]

Oh, Herves part of the Trinity....Ricardo, Herves...and Charo. Had to do a search for frequent guest stars...She was most fun one).

... and the only breathing one.

[lonewolf]

LW,

Point is that, even on our TV, there are people preaching about "attacks"
on Christianity, how "we" need get back to that belief system, how it's
how we all should believe, etc. And you'll see the clowns on yer fave
cable news networks regularly.

Isn't it about time for "ASSAULT ON EASTER"? bits?

Are you suggesting that the rants from Christian TV evangelists are justification for fundamentalist Islamic recruitment and terrorism?

[VENTGtr]

Nooooo, I'm saying that "they" are pushing a message about "assaults" on
Christianity. It's not just televangelist. I'm sure you've heard, or seen some
of the goofs spewing it.

[FreebirdSucks]

It's not that I'm anti-Muslim, they bring that shit on themselves.

No, I can say with full conviction that you are indeed, 100 percent anti-muslim.

You're also incredibly sick in the head if you believe even half of the bullshit that you spew out on a message board.

You say that ignorance is dangerous. Yes it is... yours will probably one day get you killed.

[bassist_25]

I understand where you are coming from, but this shit is cut and dry. I know not all Muslims are out to get us. You gotta understand where the shit comes from. When you see it everyday, and hear about it everyday that Muslim extremists want to kill all that don't obey....well maybe I am a little harsh, but I'm not gonna roll over like a lot of people and ignore it, like it never goes on. You see videos of children being taught to hate the west and kill the west. Women being oppressed, people in mosques chanting to kill kill kill....what a religion of peace that is....I may be from bumfuck PA, but that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.

What's cut and dry about it? Yes, nutziods fantatics wanting to blow shit up is pretty cut and dry. However, how do you know the nutzoids from the peaceful Muslims? What's the solution for dealing with these nutzoids? Is it PCness why we don't just bomb the Middle East or is it because doing so would seriously disrupt the world's oil supply. Why are they taught to hate the West? Is it because the Koran tells them to kill infedels or is it because we made a lot of bad mistakes with how well dealt with particular countries during the Cold War?

Do any of those questions have simple answers?

I have no problem with someone from BFE PA having an opinion. I'm from BFE PA and don't pretend to be this globe-trotting renissance man. I just think one should know what they're talking about before throwing out a conclusion.

[RobTheDrummer]

You know, not once did I say ALL MUSLIMS. I stress, the radical ones are the ones that need to be taken care of, because they wanna take over the world. Same thing as Hitler, they have a world view and want to do whatever it takes to get there.

[VENTGtr]

Oh, Herves part of the Trinity....Ricardo, Herves...and Charo. Had to do a search for frequent guest stars...She was most fun one).

... and the only breathing one.

Dang...yer right..Though, she heaves nicely when she breathes...so she's
extra points.