Shooting in Indiana, PA

JayBird · Post by **JayBird** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

I caught this briefly on the news this morning: At least one person was shot outside of The Coney on Philadelphia Street in Indiana, PA.

JayBird · Post by **JayBird** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

Here is the most recent info on the shooting:

An Indiana University of Pennsylvania student was shot in the stomach outside an off-campus Indiana bar this morning and was taken into surgery several hours ago.

Justin D. McCoy, 21, of Springfield, Va., is in fair condition at Memorial Medical Center in Johnstown.

Indiana Borough Police Chief William Sutton said his detectives are trying to identify the suspect with help from a surveillance video at several bars in the Downtown area along Philadelphia Street, about four blocks from campus.

The shooting apparently stemmed from a confrontation between two groups of people at Cullpepper's Bar at Philadelphia and Carpenter Avenue, a bar/restaurant sometimes frequented by university students.

Chief Sutton said the person police believe was the shooter became boisterous and argumentative with the group that included Mr. McCoy. Mr. McCoy and his friends did not respond, Chief Sutton said. Instead they left the bar, but encountered the other group again just after 2 a.m. outside another tavern called Coney Island.

When one of the friends of the boisterous man tried to calm things down, "a gun came out and was randomly shot. There was no evidence anyone was targeted," Chief Sutton said.

Mr. McCoy was shot once in the stomach. A bystander's pants leg was shot, but the person was uninjured. The shooter and his group fled.

Tavern owners are cooperating with the investigation and providing video. Chief Sutton said many bars in downtown Indiana have surveillance video inside and outside their establishments.

IUP spokeswoman Michelle Fryling said Mr. McCoy's parents are aware of the situation. University police sent an e-mail to students this morning informing them of the shooting.

"We're certainly continuing to support the parents and support Justin in any way we can," Ms. Fryling said. "We're really hoping and praying things go well."

Ms. Fryling did not know what year Mr. McCoy is in, but she said he is a criminology major.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

JayBird wrote:he is a criminology major.

am i the only one that sees the irony in that? sorry, i hope the kid gets better quick. how retarded that people gotta pull guns. what can some people be thinking, honestly?!

nakedtwister · Post by **nakedtwister** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

It gets me that the guy with the gun started the fight. Then they vic and his friends sensing trouble leave. They get tracked down by the same group and then the " Pussy " pulls a gun and shoots the kid. What ever happened to a good old fashioned smack down? Friggin' coward.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

Hmmm...and I was just at Culpepper's on Wednesday.

RFBuck · Post by **RFBuck** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

Nice to hear fun stuff like this is happening so close to home

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

Yeah, and my son is starting college there this fall.

And about the gun being pulled. Can't 2 people just duke it out anymore? Land a few punches, rip some clothes, shake hands and become friends.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

Yeah, Joe! It's all shoving and posturing, then somebody has jump straight to pulling a piece. Ass-whippings aren't just a way to resolve conflicts, they also teach you something. If you win a fist-fight, you have that... if you lose, you get some lumps, but you learned what not to do next time. Plus, it's far more entertaining to watch a fight than a killing.--->JMS

Lifer · Post by **Lifer** » Friday Apr 03, 2009

I guess Hatfield can't fight McCoy tommorow.

Too soon?

I was just in Indiana today. Im surprised I didnt hear about this as it happend.

Its probably a drug deal gone bad.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tuesday Apr 07, 2009

undercoverjoe wrote:Yeah, and my son is starting college there this fall.

Why are you sending your son to a PASSHE school? Aren't you politically opposed to government subsidization? I know that it's ultimately your son's choice on where to attend college, but how come you didn't push him towards a private college?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Apr 07, 2009

bassist_25 wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:Yeah, and my son is starting college there this fall.

Why are you sending your son to a PASSHE school? Aren't you politically opposed to government subsidization? I know that it's ultimately your son's choice on where to attend college, but how come you didn't push him towards a private college?

There is only one college in this area that does not take any government funding, and that is Grove College, and my son did not have the grades to get in. The government money that these schools get, comes from my wallet BTW, so I am just sending him to a school that I am already subsidizing.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday Apr 08, 2009

So are you saying that government subsidies are alright if you directly benefit from the services or only if it is your direct tax dollars funding these institutuions? Should the FAFSA been done away with in terms of education?

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday Apr 08, 2009

Good point Paul.
I kinda agree with Joe in some respects because as of now I dont have any children, yet I had to pay local and school taxes in Bedford County (my former place of employment), and Hollidaysburg area (my residence)

Just kinda sucks because I dont have any children (yet) but I am not benefitting from it directly really. Just little things like that kinda make me scratch my head and wonder wtf.

On the other hand, I'd rather my tax money go toward something solid like education, as opposed to something else like repair work on I-99, etc...
The children of today will grow up to run society and make the decisions, so I'd like them to be somewhat educated

...Cant let em get too smart though

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Apr 08, 2009

bassist_25 wrote:So are you saying that government subsidies are alright if you directly benefit from the services or only if it is your direct tax dollars funding these institutuions? Should the FAFSA been done away with in terms of education?

I am saying that at this point in my life I cannot stop government spending on non Constitutional items. They have no right spending my tax money on any colleges. But they do. Most colleges have taken money from the fed. So I am stuck and will send my son to IUP. IUP takes my tax dollars, so I will be recouping just a tiny amount of my taxes when my son goes there. I want an end to all wasteful, NON-Constitutional spending.

If you can find FAFSA in the Constitution, I will be for it.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Apr 08, 2009

undercoverjoe wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:So are you saying that government subsidies are alright if you directly benefit from the services or only if it is your direct tax dollars funding these institutuions? Should the FAFSA been done away with in terms of education?
I am saying that at this point in my life I cannot stop government spending on non Constitutional items. They have no right spending my tax money on any colleges. But they do. Most colleges have taken money from the fed. So I am stuck and will send my son to IUP. IUP takes my tax dollars, so I will be recouping just a tiny amount of my taxes when my son goes there. I want an end to all wasteful, NON-Constitutional spending.

If you can find FAFSA in the Constitution, I will be for it.

Another point. Government subsidies are entwined into everything today. It is hard to avoid them. And what subsidies are there that have not been supported by tax dollars. Where does government get taxes?, from us. Your question is one of not if, but how to avoid gov. subsidies. And why should I, since my taxes are paying for them.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Apr 09, 2009

Well, I think that's the crux of much of the issues that get brought up with this debate on here. You are being taxed for a series of things - some wasteful, some socially valuable. It's the reality of life, and the people who worship at the altar of Robert Nozick are just as unrealistic and utopian as the people who worship at the altar of Karl Marx.

Personally, I'm a graduate student at IUP, a PASSHE college, and hold my Bachelor's from Lock Haven, another PASSHE college. I'm thankful for state colleges and FAFSA because it put higher education within my reach, along with a whole lot of other people who were not fortunate enough to be born with silver spoons in their mouths. But trust me; it's been anything BUT a free ride. While I don't support everything that my taxes go towards, I have no problem with them supporting the ability for people like myself to reach their dreams.

But then again...I'm not one of those utopian Nozick-ians.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Thursday Apr 09, 2009

Where are you on a scale if Nozick is on one end and Marx is the other?