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rickster wrote:
tonefight wrote:GREED
The root of all evil...he hit it on the head.Capatilism.
Capatilism??Give me a break ricko.I suppose you live in a mud hut,make all your own clothes and steal food from your neighbor's garden?Capatilism is the only system that creates and generates enough wealth to clean up after it-self.A Capatilist system provides opportunity and chance to earn and fulfill dreams.Unlike the brownshirt Socialist barrel we're starring down now.Breaking everything and everybody down to the lowest common denomiator is a terrible,awful,silly plan.Sorry bro :twisted:
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rickster wrote:
tonefight wrote:GREED
The root of all evil...he hit it on the head.Capatilism.
So you don't like capitalism? What would you replace is with?


Oh, does anyone ever think that government has greed?
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All socialism does is promote welfare. I hate welfare - They should abolish welfare. Some temporary fix, eh? So far we paid enough out in it to pay the deficit off three times !!
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There's nothing wrong with America the concept, America the Constitution, America the people. Its our Elected Officials. Most of whom are so out of touch with reality, they'll never come back. They've forgotten what its like to work for a living. They've forgotten what its like to sacrifice. While we have to cut expenses, they continue to spend. When was they last time they bought their own loaf of bread or gallon of milk? When was the last time they put gas in their OWN cars? Its probably been a long, long time for most of them. They live in a bubble, in their own world. Far apart from the one we each live. Therein lies the problem, I surmise. Once they are in said bubble, they don't want to leave. And will do anything to maintain this lifestyle. Even if it means eroding the principles on which this nation was founded upon.
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Two questions for the debate:

1) Are all poor people on welfare?

2) Does the CEO work harder than me? (In other words, do they deserve a thousand times the average salary at their company?)

These are two factors the radio talking heads assume to be true.--->JMS
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To Quote Songsmith: Does the CEO work harder than me? (In other words, do they deserve a thousand times the average salary at their company?)

The CEO might not work harder than you, but he definitely works smarter than you which is why he's the CEO. It's like the drummer complaining because the singer makes more money.
well, he should have been a singer then, instead of a drummer.
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I have a question wrote:To Quote Songsmith: Does the CEO work harder than me? (In other words, do they deserve a thousand times the average salary at their company?)

The CEO might not work harder than you, but he definitely works smarter than you which is why he's the CEO. It's like the drummer complaining because the singer makes more money.
well, he should have been a singer then, instead of a drummer.


that's a very silly analogy.


the person who puts the hair on the doll may in fact work harder than the CEO, but i'm pretty sure the ceo has alot of shit to take care of. deciding which healthcare package to update to his employees this year. how can we cut costs of manufacturing the products to increase the money that everyone here receives. who's gonna be buying these things? how can we advertise this better. there is all sorts of shit... unless you were in charge of aig... then i'm pretty sure your biggest problem was getting a bailout package... let's face it, some people are corrupt. these are the people that didn't start from the bottom rung on the ladder.


hawk, your a smart man, this wasn't a serious question, was it?
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songsmith wrote:1) Are all poor people on welfare?


i'm poor. i'm not on welfare. what's your angle, here, hawk?
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You guys who throw the word "socialism" around so freely, Do you really think all socialism is bad? Do you know how many of you wouldn't be able to read or write if some socialism didn't exist in america? Quite a few of us would be dead too. I just think the word/idea has been bastardized. I think it takes little pieces of all government models to make a good one.
But I guess that's what all the bickering is about, which little pieces do we use?

I posted the question to provoke thought, if you're gonna feed me back a bunch of partisan propaganda and rhetoric, save it to impress your relatives at easter dinner. I'm really trying to understand this.
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Baceman Spiff wrote:There's nothing wrong with America the concept, America the Constitution, America the people. Its our Elected Officials. Most of whom are so out of touch with reality, they'll never come back. They've forgotten what its like to work for a living. They've forgotten what its like to sacrifice. While we have to cut expenses, they continue to spend. When was they last time they bought their own loaf of bread or gallon of milk? When was the last time they put gas in their OWN cars? Its probably been a long, long time for most of them. They live in a bubble, in their own world. Far apart from the one we each live. Therein lies the problem, I surmise. Once they are in said bubble, they don't want to leave. And will do anything to maintain this lifestyle. Even if it means eroding the principles on which this nation was founded upon.
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And Ryan- WORD! Working poor over here too, bro! Tried to get heating assistance when my wife was pregnant and in very poor health. REJECTED!!! I've worked on the books(payed taxes) since i've been 17 (31 now) and never asked for a fucking dime until then. The welfare system is fucked.
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Before the era of big central government got as big as it is now, people learned to read a local schools. These were paid for by the local community or local government if they even had one. The Fed did not always run the education system here in the US.

So, we do not need socialistic central government to teach us to read.

Altoona Hospital was originally built by the railroad. Many coal companies built hospitals in local towns all through Pa. We do not need government to get hospitals or even health care, and we do not need socialism to stay healthy.

What forms of socialism do you like?

My theory is that with a very small federal government (as the Founding Fathers envisioned it), we would be taxed WAY LESS, and with 90% or so of your paycheck in your pocket each week, you would not need so much federal government, would you? Add up how much money you would have if you could have kept 90% of every paycheck during your life. You probably would not even need Social Security to retire. (and that is a whole other thread, there will be no SS for you under 40)
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DirtySanchez wrote:You guys who throw the word "socialism" around so freely, Do you really think all socialism is bad? Do you know how many of you wouldn't be able to read or write if some socialism didn't exist in america? Quite a few of us would be dead too. I just think the word/idea has been bastardized. I think it takes little pieces of all government models to make a good one.
But I guess that's what all the bickering is about, which little pieces do we use?

I posted the question to provoke thought, if you're gonna feed me back a bunch of partisan propaganda and rhetoric, save it to impress your relatives at easter dinner. I'm really trying to understand this.
I put the definition up there. :wink:
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DirtySanchez wrote:
Baceman Spiff wrote:There's nothing wrong with America the concept, America the Constitution, America the people. Its our Elected Officials. Most of whom are so out of touch with reality, they'll never come back. They've forgotten what its like to work for a living. They've forgotten what its like to sacrifice. While we have to cut expenses, they continue to spend. When was they last time they bought their own loaf of bread or gallon of milk? When was the last time they put gas in their OWN cars? Its probably been a long, long time for most of them. They live in a bubble, in their own world. Far apart from the one we each live. Therein lies the problem, I surmise. Once they are in said bubble, they don't want to leave. And will do anything to maintain this lifestyle. Even if it means eroding the principles on which this nation was founded upon.
You are beautiful!! PERFECT!

And Ryan- WORD! Working poor over here too, bro! Tried to get heating assistance when my wife was pregnant and in very poor health. REJECTED!!! I've worked on the books(payed taxes) since i've been 17 (31 now) and never asked for a fucking dime until then. The welfare system is fucked.

it is kinda ironic, isn't it? did you know that i make to much collecting unemployment over the winter to get food stamps? how bout the fact that i have yet another wisdom tooth coming in, and i need to get my tonsils out, but luckily enough for me, i make too much from unemployment to qualify for any kind of help to get these health issues taken care of. the system works! go socialism! helping those who refuse to help themselves but people that try to help themselves and still need help are just too damn well off to get anything. ugh... i'm gonna go try and cut my tonsils out of my head with a kitchen knife and a bottle of scotch...
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slackin@dabass wrote:i'm gonna go try and cut my tonsils out of my head with a kitchen knife and a bottle of scotch...
you could probably score painkillers from some peddler who buys mto's, cookies, and ciggarettes with an access card...
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I have a question wrote:The CEO might not work harder than you, but he definitely works smarter than you which is why he's the CEO. It's like the drummer complaining because the singer makes more money.
well, he should have been a singer then, instead of a drummer.
Yeah, mr. "question", that's a REALLY stupid analogy. You sound like you have the "smarts" of a jackass! And everyone, don't take me wrong, I'm like animals but not jerks.
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I have a question wrote:To Quote Songsmith: Does the CEO work harder than me? (In other words, do they deserve a thousand times the average salary at their company?)

The CEO might not work harder than you, but he definitely works smarter than you which is why he's the CEO. It's like the drummer complaining because the singer makes more money.
well, he should have been a singer then, instead of a drummer.
First, if you're in a band where the singer makes more money than everyone else, you're getting boned, which is precisely my point. That would assume the singer works harder than the drummer, or somehow deserves more money because singing is more difficult that drumming. In my band, everybody gets paid the same, because everybody has the same value. We know that a band without a drummer is, well it's just acoustic.
I think if a CEO feels he/she deserves 1000 times more than the average wage at his company, that person should work 1000 times harder. And if he works smarter than me, he needs to be 1000 times smarter, just to make it even. Since nobody can do that, nobody deserves that.
If the management at AIG actually did a good job, they might be each worth some fraction of their bonuses, but they kept grinning and taking their giant paychecks, while the company lost 170 billion dollars in a year.
Look at it like this: The president of the United States makes $400,000 a year. That's not a partisan thing, Bush made that, too. What does the CEO of ANY for-profit corporation do that is more important, higher-risk, or higher-priority than the duties of the president?--->JMS
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JackANSI wrote:what do all you do for a living?
haha! I like where this is going.
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So then I guess this post really proves me wrong.

I have always maintained that the biggest problem facing America is Greed. I guess that at the very least I have to amend that and say that the biggest problem facing my country is Greed and the fact that we cannot agree on anything.

But I still believe that Hope is the way to go. That dealing with peoples problems and working towards fairness will solve the problems.

I think that most people just want to be able to live a good life and provide a good life for their family.

You can say that I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one...

You know the rest....

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RobTheDrummer wrote:
DirtySanchez wrote:You guys who throw the word "socialism" around so freely, Do you really think all socialism is bad? Do you know how many of you wouldn't be able to read or write if some socialism didn't exist in america? Quite a few of us would be dead too. I just think the word/idea has been bastardized. I think it takes little pieces of all government models to make a good one.
But I guess that's what all the bickering is about, which little pieces do we use?

I posted the question to provoke thought, if you're gonna feed me back a bunch of partisan propaganda and rhetoric, save it to impress your relatives at easter dinner. I'm really trying to understand this.
I put the definition up there. :wink:
You think that we're gonna go balls out huh?
The education system is already socialist is it not?
Don't you work for the prison system? no gov't involvment/funds there huh? In a way socialism is providing your paycheck.

UC Joe- Do you know what the illiteracy rate was like before govt. was involved? I'd like to know.
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why am i getting called a jackass for making a valid point? the ceo probably worked harder than the floor sweeper, went to school longer, spent weekends studying, etc. if i would have posted something about hairy balls or whackinig off, i'd have gotten a bunch of +1's. blah.
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I have a question wrote:why am i getting called a jackass for making a valid point? the ceo probably worked harder than the floor sweeper, went to school longer, spent weekends studying, etc. if i would have posted something about hairy balls or whackinig off, i'd have gotten a bunch of +1's. blah.
+1

Seriously though. In a real band the singer doesn't make more than the drummer.

That only happens with Taylor Swift And Metallica.
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And the Jon Bon Blowme band.
I dont even know their drummer's name... :lol:


-1 on the hairy balls parts though. blah.
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I should have used a baseball analogy...the third baseman with hairy balls complaining because the pitcher whacks off more.
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I do have to say. this thread is trolling at work. perfect question, no reply. haha!
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slackin@dabass wrote:it is kinda ironic, isn't it? did you know that i make to much collecting unemployment over the winter to get food stamps? how bout the fact that i have yet another wisdom tooth coming in, and i need to get my tonsils out, but luckily enough for me, i make too much from unemployment to qualify for any kind of help to get these health issues taken care of. the system works! go socialism! helping those who refuse to help themselves but people that try to help themselves and still need help are just too damn well off to get anything. ugh... i'm gonna go try and cut my tonsils out of my head with a kitchen knife and a bottle of scotch...
You know that some forms of employment come with insurance... Just FYI...


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