Gun Owners

[witchhunt]

I know a mouse and he hasn't got a house.
I don't know why I call him Gerald.
He's getting rather old but he's a good mouse....
Pink Floyd

[BDR]

Wow. Some of you I just amaze me. How does my owning a gun hurt you?

I would never try to convince anyone to have a gun. Some people are just not responsible enough to own one and they know it. (Those people worried about their kids getting their gun and those who would shoot someone because of a cheating wife are pretty good examples.) I hunt, for sport and for food. I also shoot for sport. I have trophies for shotgun, rifle, and archery. It doesn't make me feel more manly or powerful or whatever some people think. It's just fuckin fun. Some dudes bowl, some golf. I hunt, fish and shoot. I also would use them for protection if I needed to. That ball bat has a better chance of being taken and used on me, cause my mossberg can remove a turkeys head at 60 yards. Plus, what if that fucker already has his own piece? Swing for the fences boys!!! BTW, when money was tight, I had steaks with my ramen noodles motherfuckers. haha!

C'mon Brian, you're a smart guy in my book. Please read my post carefully.

I hate guns — why arm an intruder? — but you all can have yours, so long as you don't shoot them toward my family, my home, my car, my pets ... and me.

Please show me where I said I don't want you to have your guns or how your having guns hurts me. Also, show me where I tried to convince you to not have guns.

I get what everyone's saying about education and whatnot. Most of my relatives are (responsbile) gun owners. All I'm saying is I personally would never run the risk of having something in my house, no matter how tightly I had it locked up, that one of my kids could blow his or her head off with. To me, it's like saying, "yeah, we got an alligator for a pet. Yeah, he's dangerous and everything, he could eat you in a few bites, but we keep him in this steel cage. He can't get out. Unless someone finds the key and lets him out. But that probably won't happen."

Let me repeat:

I hate guns — why arm an intruder? — but you all can have yours, so long as you don't shoot them toward my family, my home, my car, my pets ... and me.

r:>)

[DirtySanchez]

Rob, I asked a question.

The only thing directed at you is the ball bat stuff. The whole guns are stupid is what I was addressing. We would not be here e beefing right now if guns didn't exist. That precious constitution everyone keeps arguing about would not exist either. I'm just sayin guns aren't stupid, but some people.....

[bassist_25]

I'm not a hunter, but I do enjoy guns from time to time. It's easy to have a bad view on guns for recreational purposes when you are beat over the head with propaganda from the NRA nutjobs. It's kind of how you think Coldplay is overrated because the critics gush over them, but then you listen to their music and actually realize that it's pretty well-written, albeit not the greatest thing since The Beatles as the critics would have you believe.

As far as still having guns to protect us from the government - I've said this before, but if you want to take on a battalion of M1A1s with your 12 gauge, then be my guest. I think that argument was a little more relevant when both citizens and the government were armed with muskets. But textualism is really irrelevant in this case anyways. The Second Amendment is what it is. I think most people agree that responsible people should be allowed to own guns if they so choose.

*Wow, I just totally Scalia-ed that argument.

[BDR]

Rob, I asked a question.

The only thing directed at you is the ball bat stuff. The whole guns are stupid is what I was addressing. We would not be here e beefing right now if guns didn't exist. That precious constitution everyone keeps arguing about would not exist either. I'm just sayin guns aren't stupid, but some people.....

I'm with ya, now give me a job. And not the "hand" or "blow" type, either.

r:>)

[Sapo]

As far as still having guns to protect us from the government - I've said this before, but if you want to take on a battalion of M1A1s with your 12 gauge, then be my guest. I think that argument was a little more relevant when both citizens and the government were armed with muskets.

Its still as valid today as it ever was. Why is it less so now in your opinion? Small arms technology hasn't really changed all that much in almost 100 years. Using your example, that 12 gauge would come in handy after the Abrams run out of gas, no?.

[BDR]

I like beans.

Eh, it's been a while.

r:>)

[bassist_25]

Its still as valid today as it ever was. Why is it less so now in your opinion? Small arms technology hasn't really changed all that much in almost 100 years. Using your example, that 12 gauge would come in handy after the Abrams run out of gas, no?.

If the government were forced into guerilla warfare, then you may have a point. We haven't done so well when it comes to that (e.g., Vietnam, current Iraq war). However, I still think it's crazy that people think that "arming themselves against the government" is not an archiac concept when the government owns the F/A-18s, the M1A1s, the gunships, and the spy satellites.

Again, I'm not bashing the 2nd Amendment. I just think that justifying it through the protection against the government argument has lost a lot of its validilty.

...A guerilla revolution would make for a pretty cool fictional novel, though.

[DirtySanchez]

Rob, I asked a question.

The only thing directed at you is the ball bat stuff. The whole guns are stupid is what I was addressing. We would not be here e beefing right now if guns didn't exist. That precious constitution everyone keeps arguing about would not exist either. I'm just sayin guns aren't stupid, but some people.....

I'm with ya, now give me a job. And not the "hand" or "blow" type, either.

r:>)

You're like anti-fun with that statement.

[shredder138]

shredder138 wrote:
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ever take a gun safety course? you don't leave them lying around cocked and loaded. you keep them locked in a case with a trigger lock on them. out of your child's sight. i'm sure it wouldnt't be hard to keep a gun in the house and your kids would never even know.


That's just common sense, people should be tested for it before owning a weapon. A gun should never be something that any old joe can purchase. There's a lot of idiots out there that just shouldn't own firearm, aside from felons. Don't get me wrong, I think intelligent, responsible people should have the right to whatever they want, as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

peace out


Interesting. What other Constitutional rights do you think citizens should have to test for?

Joe,

It's not a constitutional rights issue, it's a "dumb fucks endangering other people's lives" issue. If you're going to be operating something that can kill someone, then you better be smart enough and have enough common sense to know what you're doing. Does that seem assinine to you? Sorry for seeming unpatriotic but I think we're way beyond the days of "right to bear arms", it should be a privilage.

[nakedtwister]

How many people do you see every day behind the wheel of a 3000lb. hunk of steel and aluminum with a cell phone glued to their ear, vearing into another lane. How is that any less dangerous? I say lets outlaw cell phones, makeup, alchohol, stupid people etc. Respect and education are the keys.

[shredder138]

Respect and education are the keys.

That's it.

I'm not anti-gun, I just think there should be special precautions for purchasing and owning them. I would think that everyone should agree with that.

[Sapo]

If the government were forced into guerilla warfare, then you may have a point. We haven't done so well when it comes to that (e.g., Vietnam, current Iraq war). However, I still think it's crazy that people think that "arming themselves against the government" is not an archiac concept when the government owns the F/A-18s, the M1A1s, the gunships, and the spy satellites.

Again, I'm not bashing the 2nd Amendment. I just think that justifying it through the protection against the government argument has lost a lot of its validilty.

...A guerilla revolution would make for a pretty cool fictional novel, though.

I respectfully disagree. I think it always comes down to a guy with a rifle...in combat or anywhere else. Just look at Iraq and how that ground down. At some point your high-tech weapons are useless. Especially if you think you can just unleash them on your own citizenry. I actually think the 2nd amendment is more relevant now than ever. Our federal government is becoming the very thing the Founders feared. Without the 2nd amendment you are a subject not a citizen. But that's a discussion for another day.

[whitedevilone]

Respect and education are the keys.

That's it.

I'm not anti-gun, I just think there should be special precautions for purchasing and owning them. I would think that everyone should agree with that.

There's gonna be some serious bloodshed when the try to give that "Gun Smarts Test"in gangland .

[lonewolf]

As far as still having guns to protect us from the government - I've said this before, but if you want to take on a battalion of M1A1s with your 12 gauge, then be my guest. I think that argument was a little more relevant when both citizens and the government were armed with muskets. But textualism is really irrelevant in this case anyways. The Second Amendment is what it is. I think most people agree that responsible people should be allowed to own guns if they so choose.

*Wow, I just totally Scalia-ed that argument.

One thing you are forgetting...ask those guys in the tanks whose side they would take if there was a rebellion against government tyranny...every soldier I've talked to would break ranks and side with the rebels.

[waydowneast]

when they take our guns they'll take our liberty.

[shredder138]

shredder138 wrote:
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Respect and education are the keys.


That's it.

I'm not anti-gun, I just think there should be special precautions for purchasing and owning them. I would think that everyone should agree with that.


There's gonna be some serious bloodshed when the try to give that "Gun Smarts Test"in gangland .

OK I haven't figured out the whole quote thing yet.

But anyway, Scott, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but do you really think that any old douchebag should own a deadly weapon.I, sure as shit, don't. In the last 12 years I know three kids killed accidentally with their parents guns. Parents fault true, but damn. I'm not talking gangland, but real "normal" life. I know you cann't test for responsibility, but fuck. I mean really, SOME PEOPLE JUST SHOULDN'T OWN DEADLY WEAPONS. Some people shouldn't drive vehicles either but after all, it's a privilage not a right.

What seems to make so much sense to me apparently doesn't to some of you guys, but that's fine that's what life's about. But I'll leave this thread by saying that there should definately be strict gun laws

My opinion, don't hate me for it.

[whitedevilone]

JE, i completely agree that there are people who should not own guns.I mean that's easy,take a walk around Altoona.I'm against ANYTHING thatgives the government any chance to fuck with the 2nd Amendment.That's that.Seriously other than the few in home gun accidents,well and all the gun violence shoved down our throats by the MSM when it suits their need,guns in the hand of senseable adults hardly pose a problem.In fact i'd like to see some data on acts of crime that were halted due to the fact that somebody nearby was packin heat.Im sure there's many many but idependence is something the media does not want to promote.

[shredder138]

I hear you bro, lookin at it from different angles. It's all good. Did you find me a Floyd Rose yet? You know I'm too lazy to find one myself.

[whitedevilone]

I hear you bro, lookin at it from different angles. It's all good. Did you find me a Floyd Rose yet? You know I'm too lazy to find one myself.

No but i did talk to Dano today and he was gonna ask he's old man tonight.Remember if that Hamstercastor don't have one soon IT'S MINE!!!!

[I have a question]

Blair Holt Firearm Licensing
& Record of Sale Act
2-16-2009

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: ·It is registered ·You are fingerprinted ·You supply a current Driver's License ·You supply your Social Security #·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing ·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. ·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

[RobTheDrummer]

It all comes down to the old saying: "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

You gotta load the gun and pull the trigger before a gun kills someone or something. Responsibility and education, just like mentioned is what this issue is about. I always enjoy hearing some G's mama crying about how her son is dead and wants all guns banned. Well how about this: Take responsibility for your son! Don't let him get into the drugs and shit, maybe he wouldn't be in a shootout.

Gun accidents happen, but most of the time because of stupidity. Someone left the gun loaded and out of a locker, or didn't treat a gun as if it were loaded. Oh well, don't be stupid.

Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, and it's not for everyone. People should be allowed to have them, so long as they are legal and the person is responsible. But like I said earlier, most gun crime comes from illegal weapons, not legally purchased. Taking them away from the good citizens that respect laws and have responsibility makes no sense in my book.

[shredder138]

It all comes down to the old saying: "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

You gotta load the gun and pull the trigger before a gun kills someone or something. Responsibility and education, just like mentioned is what this issue is about. I always enjoy hearing some G's mama crying about how her son is dead and wants all guns banned. Well how about this: Take responsibility for your son! Don't let him get into the drugs and shit, maybe he wouldn't be in a shootout.

Gun accidents happen, but most of the time because of stupidity. Someone left the gun loaded and out of a locker, or didn't treat a gun as if it were loaded. Oh well, don't be stupid.

Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, and it's not for everyone. People should be allowed to have them, so long as they are legal and the person is responsible. But like I said earlier, most gun crime comes from illegal weapons, not legally purchased. Taking them away from the good citizens that respect laws and have responsibility makes no sense in my book.

Sounds good to me

[Bag]

It all comes down to the old saying: "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

You gotta load the gun and pull the trigger before a gun kills someone or something. Responsibility and education, just like mentioned is what this issue is about. I always enjoy hearing some G's mama crying about how her son is dead and wants all guns banned. Well how about this: Take responsibility for your son! Don't let him get into the drugs and shit, maybe he wouldn't be in a shootout.

Gun accidents happen, but most of the time because of stupidity. Someone left the gun loaded and out of a locker, or didn't treat a gun as if it were loaded. Oh well, don't be stupid.

Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, and it's not for everyone. People should be allowed to have them, so long as they are legal and the person is responsible. But like I said earlier, most gun crime comes from illegal weapons, not legally purchased. Taking them away from the good citizens that respect laws and have responsibility makes no sense in my book.

+1

[bassist_25]

I respectfully disagree. I think it always comes down to a guy with a rifle...in combat or anywhere else. Just look at Iraq and how that ground down. At some point your high-tech weapons are useless. Especially if you think you can just unleash them on your own citizenry. I actually think the 2nd amendment is more relevant now than ever. Our federal government is becoming the very thing the Founders feared. Without the 2nd amendment you are a subject not a citizen. But that's a discussion for another day.

And that's how a political disagreement should be...instead of Internet shouting and name-calling. That's how cats like you and I roll, Todd.