Gun Owners

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

Well after 65years on earth my father in-law decided to even the odds and purchase a handgun.Problem is there is almost none in stock anywhere.The 5 stores we searched in the area all had weapons on back order.Those back orders were always in the vicinity of 30-40 pieces.Amazing.Now being a dude who would never leave my family defenseless inside my home or out i've been cocked n load for many years.Gun shops are like guitar stores to me.That being it's hard for me to pass one anywhere and not stop and play around for a bit.I've frequented all these shops we vistited many times and have never seen the supply so low and the demand so high.In the end Dad found a suitable weapon of choice(a tad bit pricer than normal but gotta do what ya gotta do)and everybody was happy......we're going shooting later today.I was wondering if anybody else has run into this problem?I guess some people decided to forgo hope and change for piece of mind and security.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

This is apparently going on all over the country. When B. Hussein was a state senator for Illinois, he voted for a 500% tax on guns and ammo. So, if that passed, you would pay $1000.00 tax for a $200.00 gun. That would essentially end gun purchasing by middle class citizens. (Criminals would still obtain them illegally as always)

Now Eric Holder, the new Attorney General is proposing anti gun laws, with the new reason being that Mexico is complaining that too many of their drug lord criminals are getting their arsenals from the US. So instaead of telling the Hellhole of a country called Mexico to step up and control your own criminals, Holder wants to take away Second Amendment rights of legal American citizens.

Chains you can believe in.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

undercoverjoe wrote:
Chains you can believe in.

... i see what you did there...

of course they want guns to be way to affordable for the middle class. if the middle class can't afford guns, then they can't rebel. if the middle class can't rebel then we can FINALLY become the new socialist republic of america.

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

slackin@dabass wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
Chains you can believe in.

... i see what you did there...

of course they want guns to be way to affordable for the middle class. if the middle class can't afford guns, then they can't rebel. if the middle class can't rebel then we can FINALLY become the new socialist republic of america.

Can you explain that to me please.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

We have guns to protect ourselves. One of the things we need protection from is an overbearing, authoritarian government. At a time of great economic crisis, this government is interested only in growing the size of government. When the citizens have the right to guns taken away, the government has nothing to fear.

Here is an interesting and informative video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dec_1236442486

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

Carefully reread what slackin' wrote.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

People are just buying up handguns, is all. It happens after every major election. I don't know for sure, but I think it's because of the usual GOP tactic of announcing that whatever Dem candidate is going to take your guns. They never do. I still have mine, and I was told that directly when Carter was elected. I doubt anyone here ever had agents swarm their house and take their firearms, unless they committed a felony.
It sells some firearms, which most people use responsibly, so what the hell, but otherwise, it's the usual scare-tactics. --->JMS

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

witchhunt wrote:Carefully reread what slackin' wrote.

the government wants the most populace (middle class) to be defenseless when they take the rest of our rights away.

to put it another way

the government dosn't want us to have the ability to start an uprising

to put it yet another way

the government wants us defenseless against it.

i could have been clearer when i first posted, but sometimes my mind moves faster than my fingers. this whole thing stinks to high heaven. know why? i don't own any guns! i've been gonna buy one, but i just kept putting it off. i really think i'd feel much safer in this time of economic woes with a mac 10 or even a mini gun. anyone have a spare mini gun they wanna sell?

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

songsmith wrote:People are just buying up handguns, is all. It happens after every major election. I don't know for sure, but I think it's because of the usual GOP tactic of announcing that whatever Dem candidate is going to take your guns. They never do. I still have mine, and I was told that directly when Carter was elected. I doubt anyone here ever had agents swarm their house and take their firearms, unless they committed a felony.
It sells some firearms, which most people use responsibly, so what the hell, but otherwise, it's the usual scare-tactics. --->JMS

Ofcourse it's the BIG BAD GOP and Conservative scare machine at work!?

What frickin alternate stratosphere do you live in man??Selling "some"firearms is truely an understatement in this case.Go visit a gun shop and have a look.But then again that would be a hard in your face fact.Something you seem to have a problem dealing with if it comes even slightly from the right of center.Have you paid any attention to the things AttyGen Eric Holder has been spewing??Didn't think so.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

whitedevilone wrote:
songsmith wrote:People are just buying up handguns, is all. It happens after every major election. I don't know for sure, but I think it's because of the usual GOP tactic of announcing that whatever Dem candidate is going to take your guns. They never do. I still have mine, and I was told that directly when Carter was elected. I doubt anyone here ever had agents swarm their house and take their firearms, unless they committed a felony.
It sells some firearms, which most people use responsibly, so what the hell, but otherwise, it's the usual scare-tactics. --->JMS
Ofcourse it's the BIG BAD GOP and Conservative scare machine at work!? What frickin alternate stratosphere do you live in man??Selling "some"firearms is truely an understatement in this case.Go visit a gun shop and have a look.But then again that would be a hard in your face fact.Something you seem to have a problem dealing with if it comes even slightly from the right of center.

i kinda gotta agree. we have an un-alienable right to have firearms to protect ourselves from foreign invaders... and from our own government. go read the constitution. our founding fathers put that as a second amendment to the constitution because revolution is necessary when people have power. when the government tries to take rights away (and they already have with the patriot act!) then it's time for the people to revolt. the proof is in the pudding. clinton instated strict gun laws... and so will obama. but that dosn't change the fact that the people that buy guns illegally will always be able to buy them. i won't. neither will anyone else that follows the typical straight edge way of life in the U.S.A. and it is scary to me to know that my government wants to make it harder for me to defend myself against anything. i have lots of music gear in my house. if someone broke into it and attempted to steal it, i'd probably not be too happy. if i was home while they did it, at least if i had a gun, i could defend myself and my possessions from some of the dope fiends in tyrone.

the best defense is still a dog. and yes, i have a big mean one of those too!

damn the dems for wanting to take my guns (that i still haven't bought

). damn them straight to heck!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

Okay, okay, fella's. Whitedevil, I believe I said they were selling a lot of guns. Which part of that is wrong? It's just not because big, bad Obama is going to take them all (again, they've been saying that for the 30 years I've owned a gun).
Slackin', you're giving me the ol' party line again. I know all about mean old Clinton taking away your assault rifles, and you can go on about your absolute right to carry a bazooka all day long, but nobody will take your piece from you unless you do something stupid, and then you should lose your firearm, because you don't deserve it.
What famous man made a statement last year that Western Pennsylvanian conservatives cling to their God and Guns? Seems like you're all proving him correct, eh?--->JMS

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

John.i've been firing handguns for a long time myself and never and i mean NEVER have i talked to so many shop owners who can't believe the amount of weapons they are selling.Some of these guys have been selling firearms longer than you and i have been walking the earth.That's a fact.30 guns on back order?You're in retail so you know that means 30 pieces folks have paid for or are planning to pay for.People who aren;t as steeped into the politcal arena like you and i are buying their first gun.I know 3 folks personaly,who voted for Barry nonetheless,taking that step,stocking up if you will.As for your snide remark about clinging to our guns, these folks aren't consevitive by a long shot as a matter fact 2 of them are quite liberal and in my family.Funny, you're one of the cats who could always be counted on to beat up on dummy W but when folks take notice to Barry's double talk and lies,well you have nothing to say except it's us Central Pa rednecks remaining bitter.You're a walking,talking doublestanderd sometimes my friend.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

Amazing how a "moderate" always gives liberals the benefit of the doubt about their intentions, but everything conservatives do is spin and hype. My 9mm semi automatic pistols are considered assault weapons by many liberal gun grabbers. B. Hussien voted to classify the family shotgun as an assault weapon when he was in Chicago. Uh oh, I'm a libertarian, so whatever I post must be spin.

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

I think I'll take the pistols out and shoot some records (the kind music comes on)

I like the sound of broken records.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Mar 08, 2009

I never understood the whole gun ban argument anyway. I mean, most of the gun crime and gun violence happens with illegally obtained weapons in the first place. A lot of criminals that get gun charges are brought about by the fact that the gun was illegally possessed by said perpetrator. You think taking guns away from honest citizens will "clean up the streets?" Nope. They will still get their guns, and still be assholes.

This thread is over. Bitches.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

undercoverjoe wrote:Amazing how a "moderate" always gives liberals the benefit of the doubt about their intentions, but everything conservatives do is spin and hype. My 9mm semi automatic pistols are considered assault weapons by many liberal gun grabbers. B. Hussien voted to classify the family shotgun as an assault weapon when he was in Chicago. Uh oh, I'm a libertarian, so whatever I post must be spin.

Amazing how a "libertarian" always spouts GOP party line. And how, in what words, did I give the libs the benefit of anything? I said something you don't agree with so I must agree with the libs. Where did I say that? For the third time, I said they're selling a lot of guns. Why? Because some people believe the little card that falls out of the NRA magazines every 4 years. They say that our gun-ownership days are numbered, during every election of any importance. If they say that for decades, and it never comes true, at what point do I need to admit defeat? Nobody in this discussion, or any other discussion I've ever been in, has ever had a gun taken away from them. Come on, people! Nobody's taking your 9mm, Joe. Come out from under your bed.

--->JMS

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

RobTheDrummer wrote:I never understood the whole gun ban argument anyway. I mean, most of the gun crime and gun violence happens with illegally obtained weapons in the first place. A lot of criminals that get gun charges are brought about by the fact that the gun was illegally possessed by said perpetrator. You think taking guns away from honest citizens will "clean up the streets?" Nope. They will still get their guns, and still be assholes.

This thread is over. Bitches.

I don't want to take guns away from anyone. I have some, and you can't have them. But, aside from a VERY FEW people who are over-reacting to gun crimes, nobody's attempting taking anything. This is another boogeyman, like outlawing Christmas or taking "Under God" out of the pledge.
Oh, and most gun crime is not random stuff on the street. You're a lot more likely to get shot by someone you know. Don't wanna get shot? Don't screw around on your wife. My wife is an excellent shot.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

songsmith wrote:
RobTheDrummer wrote:I never understood the whole gun ban argument anyway. I mean, most of the gun crime and gun violence happens with illegally obtained weapons in the first place. A lot of criminals that get gun charges are brought about by the fact that the gun was illegally possessed by said perpetrator. You think taking guns away from honest citizens will "clean up the streets?" Nope. They will still get their guns, and still be assholes.

This thread is over. Bitches.
I don't want to take guns away from anyone. I have some, and you can't have them. But, aside from a VERY FEW people who are over-reacting to gun crimes, nobody's attempting taking anything. This is another boogeyman, like outlawing Christmas or taking "Under God" out of the pledge.
Oh, and most gun crime is not random stuff on the street. You're a lot more likely to get shot by someone you know. Don't wanna get shot? Don't screw around on your wife. My wife is an excellent shot.

I don't think they will take guns away. I'm a conservative and don't think they will ever go through with anti-gun laws. I disagree that they should be making it harder for the middle-class to purchase a gun for recreation or protection.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

Look at this thread and you'll see the reason weapons are on backorder.
You can bet your ass that the biggest gun advocates did not vote democrat.
People freaked the fuck out when a lib. got in office, and decided to "get while the gettins good".

That said. I've been thinking about getting a new revolver, but I can't decide on a caliber. Probably a .357 magnum though.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

I hate guns — why arm an intruder? — but you all can have yours, so long as you don't shoot them toward my family, my home, my car, my pets ... and me.

r:>)

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

BadDazeRob wrote:I hate guns.

r:>)

I LOVE guns.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

JackANSI wrote:I think I'll take the pistols out and shoot some records (the kind music comes on)

I like the sound of broken records.

My double entendre alarm is going haywire with this post.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

songsmith. dude. they have been trying to make it harder for people to obtain guns. whether it's the dems increasing taxes, waiting periods, whatever. they still want to enforce more strict gun laws. things happen in moderation. the only reason we still have guns is because repubs always vote dems down. you can argue that no one has taken anyone's guns, but the dems still don't want you to have them. and they still are making it harder for people that obtain guns legally! but whatever, stick up for barry just like the rest of us apparently did for dubya. i hated bush 2, by the way. he spent taxpayer money like it was no big thing, and that pissed me off. now barry is doing the same thing, plus other dumb things, so... whatever, i still think ron paul woulda been the better guy in office. he didn't care if people had guns legally.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

JackANSI wrote:I think I'll take the pistols out and shoot some records (the kind music comes on)

I like the sound of broken records.

More people need to appreciate this post.

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Monday Mar 09, 2009

DirtySanchez wrote:Look at this thread and you'll see the reason weapons are on backorder.
You can bet your ass that the biggest gun advocates did not vote democrat.
People freaked the fuck out when a lib. got in office, and decided to "get while the gettins good".

That said. I've been thinking about getting a new revolver, but I can't decide on a caliber. Probably a .357 magnum though.

I bought a Rossi .357 a couple months ago and really like it. Shells are a little steep so I usually just get .38 special.