RNC Yea Baby!

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Tuesday Aug 31, 2004

Wow, the first night was amazing. What a great POSITIVE night with great speeches from Sen. John McCain and Rudolf Juliani. They even showed some respect for the oppostition. The first night of the RNC was way more inspiring than the ENTIRE DNC. It was funny to see McCain bust on Michael Moore though...Anyway, this convention will prove to be great and send a great message to all people of all colors (Don King was representin'). The truth will set you free...

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tuesday Aug 31, 2004

I only caught the news programs afterwards. (Hardball, Joe Scarborough and Ron Regan, ect.) John McCain is great; he's always been an outsider and I think he's trying to get in good with the Republican party so he has a chance at the election in 2008. There's nothing wrong with that, because I sure wouldn't mind having McCain as a president. The Michael Moore thing was halirious. That's why I like Michael - he isn't afraid to do crazy stuff, like show up at the Replubican National Convention.

But I think I have to agree with Bill Maher on his point that the Republican's aren't parading the people that represent them. The Republican Party has become a neo-conservative party, and McCain, Juliani, Powell, ect. are not neo-conservatives. I guess I can't fault them for putting those people out, though. They're loved by conservatives, centrists, and liberals alike. I still doubt I'll watch any of it though; it's still about Dubya getting relected and I think Dubya's a terrible president.

(btw, I know people are getting tired of political threads, but after the bitching and whining that's being going on RP as of late, I'll take the political threads in a heartbeat.)

MOONDOGGY · Post by **MOONDOGGY** » Tuesday Aug 31, 2004

I think the Daily Show put things in words that all could understand. If you missed it, then tough titties!

Possessed · Post by **Possessed** » Tuesday Aug 31, 2004

I agree Moondoggy. The Daily Show puts everything into perspective and cuts the BS.

FatVin · Post by **FatVin** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

It's Disgusting and decietful and dispicable, they trot out the moderates like McCain and Arnold and Juliani for the TV cameras but in the back rooms they are plotting not only to send Our Great Nation down the destructive path of what can only be called a religious crusade, but they also want to limit the fundamantal rights of privacy by rewriting the constitution to be in line with their own narrow conservative views. It's like the Amrican Taliban

Don't be fooled.

noAngel · Post by **noAngel** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

give me a break vin... vast right wing conspiracy, huh? you probably think a man like hanoi john with all his bullshit medals he supposedly earned over a 4 1/2 month period 35 years ago and has done nothing since except come home and slander those that were truly fighting in the war (not running at the first sign of trouble so fast that his crew goes flying off the boat) then spending 19 YEARS in the senate and doing nothing but perfecting the art of masturbation, would make a much better president? president bush isn't perfect, but i'd rather have him as president than that fuck kerry.

noAngel · Post by **noAngel** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

and i get sick of the liberal bullshit about comparing bush to hitler and that anyone who is religious is automatically the 'american taliban' that's not only inacurate, it's very offensive to those of various religious backgrounds. we have freedom OF religion in this country (part of the first amendment you libs just LOVE) not freedom FROM it.

J Michaels · Post by **J Michaels** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

oobie · Post by **oobie** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

i find these convention things freakin hilarious!!! they(both parties) put these big name people(celebs, senators, victims, veterans) up there to say good about that one person who is running for office, but they never say a bad thing that he/she did, they immediately say something bad about the opposition. to me thats brainwashed. they don't want you to know any of the bad, right? to me i would like to see a candidate say something that they did bad and then say how they are going to fix it or mend what they did!!!

presidential, senatorial, represenative, elections are all a childish game! you got big rich ketchup eating, oil sucking mofos who probably never really learned what the true meaning of life is all about, saying how they are going to do good for all of us, RIGHT!! my a@@!! sure they do good stuff and they do bad stuff to but, do you really have to act like filthy rich 2 year old pieces of shit trying to duke out with one another to become elected for whatever office, its all the same. it amazing.

i for one could care less who gets presidential election for the rest of my life for the mere fact that it won't ever matter who does because there's a downfall to every person, party, affiliation, etc. the way i look at it, you get dealt the cards, deal with it. there gonna get you one way or the other. life goes on. just be glad that you can get up every morning and watch the electorial ads, read the blips in the paper, watch the RNC or DNC on TV, and bitch about it all. because it wasn't the president, party, affiliation, corp., that left you wake up to see, read or here about all this stuff it was GOD!! what ever GOD you believe in!! i'm done

noAngel · Post by **noAngel** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

i never said i was a bush supporter. i find many faults with the man. but remember, kerry only joined the navy AFTER his DEFERMENT was DENIED. then got 3 quick little scratches, one self inflicted and one from being a dumb ass, and got out on an obscure technicality. i'm just saying bush is the lesser of two dumbfucks...

and why do you libs, when you don't have a fact to stand on always resort to name-calling?

"Any Bush supporter that rips Kerry for his service is either so stupid or so completely blinded by Repuke-lican ideology that there is probably no point in even making this post..... "

you may consider me blind and stupid, but it seems you are ignorant of the facts and are driven by sheer hatred...

Possessed · Post by **Possessed** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

It's hard to make a good decision when the press and the ads all focus on the bad things that both canditates did. What ever happened to the real issues? I think that if they all would grow up and quit ripping each other down and do what they promise the American people they will do, This country would be better by far. Of course I know that won't happen. I personally think both candidates are full of shit! I don't believe anything either one of them say. Bush has already lied to the American people and has lost my trust completely. Kerry just tells us what we want to hear so he can get elected. I am a registered voter and I am voting for Mickey Mouse, at least he doesn't lie.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

Bush wasn't afraid to be a leader in a time of hatred towards America. He never lied to the American people, he use information given to him by our resources, England agreed, Russia agreed, even many democrats agreed, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy actually made a better case than President Bush in 2003 to go after Iraq, we had the senate vote to also. But all the sudden Bush is a liar and a lone gun? Please, cut the BS already. You know the Vietnam thing can go already, Kerry served honorably, President Bush acknowledges that and also said Kerry could be considered a Hero moreso than himself. The problem is not that Kerry didn't serve honorably, it's what he said and did after he was out of the war. He talked publicly about committing war crimes and "what he saw." He sold out the vets over in vietnam. He blatently did so and is paying for it now. So he can suck it up and apologize for what happened after the fact. If you watch the RNC tonight, you also might get a taste of what his voting record is all about in the senate.

Diavolo · Post by **Diavolo** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

I've watched and listened silently during the past year when the venomous political rhetoric starting flying. There are some themes which I'd like to address. I apply the reasonability test to everything anyone says.

1.) To repeatedly call Bush a liar is ridiculous. The events leading to the war in Iraq have been investigated and the facts indicate that everyone (Bush, US Senate, CIA, UK, etc.) had flawed intelligence on WMD. In a post-September 11th world, it is NOT unreasonable to believe that a defiant enemy of our country (i.e. one that has violated UN sanctions and gassed his own people) might be emboldened by the 9/11 attacks and attempt to collaborate with other enemies or plan attacks on his own. Many folks will jump in now and say "what about Iran and Korea?" The major difference between Iran/Korea and Iraq is intelligence and diplomatic relations. China is probably able to control Korea, for example. All intelligence sources can confirm, as does the Iranian government, that they are developing nuclear resources. In Iraq, we knew only what informants told us. No human intelligence other than Iraqi exiles gave us word. Frankly, better safe than sorry. Several decades from now when Iraq is a truly functioning democracy we may look back on this as a bold and ingenious move.
2.) On the other side, John Kerry's Vietnam experience was heroic. To question the details of a single day 30+ years ago is also ridiculous. We'll probably never know the truth because there are so many different versions of it. While on the Vietnam issue, to say people who did not go to Vietnam are cowards is enormously stupid. If the US would reininstitute the draft today and send people to Afghanistan or other War on Terror hotbeds, how many of us would be "cowardly" and move to Canada? Let's get serious.
3.) To repeatedly portray the Republican party as some bunch of neo-nazi reilgious zealots trying to convert the masses is not only stupid. It's insulting. People believe in whatever religion they want - it gives them hope and a reason to live and helps them deal with life's troubles. For those of you SO enlightened as to not want any belief system at all, knock yourselves out but don't think you're any more intelligent/enlightened than those who actual pratice their faith.
4.) The constant nitpicking of half or out-of-context sentences and policy disgreements within parties is also nuts. The media and political opponents jump all over Cheney's comment about gay marriage becasue his opion isn't identical to other memebers of his party. So what? On the other side, I'm tired of hearing how Kerry voted for the war but against the bill providing additional support. It's not unreasonalbe that Kerry, knowing the bill would pass anyway, took that opportunity register a vote of protest over the handling of the war. There are plenty of other things he waffled on - that is not one of them.
5.) Enough of the Haliburton thing already! Cheney explained his connection to the company in several interviews. Yes, he does receive continued compensation from Haliburton. However, knowing the conflict of interest involved he purchased an insurance policy on his compensation package. Meaning that if Haliburton doesn't get any governmental contracts and later declares bankruptcy, Cheney still gets his money anyway. He has no incentive to get work for Haliburton. Drop it already.

*** I'm sure more will hit me. Again, apply the reasonability test.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

Get some perspective:

http://www.jibjab.com/thisland.html

We already saw the DNC. Didn't see much else except "but I still won 3 purple hearts." there.

Lets see if the RNC lives up to their end of the cartoon.

One observation: Both candidates got bachelor's degrees from Yale. One of the candidates went back and got an M.B.A. from Harvard...the other did not. That puts a lot of holes in the "intellectual" vs. "stupid dumbass" theory in my book.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

I think Bush will win, because his daughters are better looking than John Kerry's...
Bush's

Kerry's

byndrsn · Post by **byndrsn** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

Oh, what the hell - this is a long one, or actually, many short ones - either way - have fun with it - and for the love of God - PLEASE DON'T LET KERRY WIN!!!!!!!!!!

Urbs

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“In 2002, as (John Kerry) was calculating his run for president, he voted for the war in Iraq. And then just nine months later, he voted against an $87 billion supplemental budget to fund the war and support our troops. He even, at one point, declared himself an anti-war candidate. Now, he says he's pro-war. At this rate, with 64 days left, he still has time to change his position at least three or four more times. . . . Maybe this explains John Edwards' need for two Americas — one where John Kerry can vote for something and another where he can vote against the same thing.”
-- Mayor Rudy Giuliani

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“An anti GOP protest march took a violent and ugly turn Monday night just a few blocks from the hall where Republicans are holding their convention, as a policeman was beaten senseless,” reports CNS News this morning. To recap: People supporting John Kerry kicked the stuffing out of a cop. Yep, there are two Americas alright.

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“(John Kerry) painted front-line troops like me as nothing more than war criminals. Perhaps he never considered how his testimony (before Congress) would affect people like me. I remember not being able to get a date at the University of Connecticut because I was a proud ex-Marine veteran who refused to renounce what I had done in Vietnam. . . . I soon realized that if I wanted to get a job, I had to take 'Vietnam veteran' off my resume.

“My year in Vietnam had been the proudest year of my life up to that time. From Kerry's speech in 1971 to 1982, when the Vietnam Memorial was dedicated, Vietnam veterans learned to keep a low profile. The public image of the veterans was that of war criminals, drug users, crazies and losers. This is John Kerry's dilemma with voters like me. As a veteran, I respect his war record, but I can never forgive or forget what he did in the anti-war movement."

- Vietnam war veteran Thomas Evans, Hartford Courant, 8/28/04

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AH, THE OL’ DOUBLE STANDARD...AGAIN

“The media clamored and clamored and clamored and finally got every existing record of Bush’s service in the Air National Guard as they sought desperately--and futilely-to find proof of Democrat charges that Bush had been AWOL. But are they demanding that Kerry sign a form l80 that would open his naval records to public scrutiny.

“Not on your life. They are perfectly willing to accept Kerry’s word as to the validity of his medals and the legitimacy of his wounds, even though one might wonder about both, not only because of the charges being made by the swift boat veterans but also because Kerry absolutely refuses to sign that Form I80. I have yet to read or hear that any reporter has asked why he refuses to sign the form or why he won’t make all of his records public.

“Neither, by the way, is there any clamor from the media that the rich wife off of whom Kerry sponges, make public her tax returns which are separate from his.”

- Lyn Nofziger, “Musings,” 8/31/04
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How to start the morning with a positive attitude.

1. Open a new file in your PC.
2. Name it "John Kerry."
3. Send it to the trash.
4. Empty the trash.
5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get rid of John Kerry?"
6. Answer calmly, "yes," and press the mouse button firmly.
7. Feel better..

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A popular bar had a new robotic bartender installed. A fellow came in
for a drink and the robot asked him, 'What's your IQ?'
The man replied, '150.' So the robot proceeded to make conversation
about Quantum physics, string theory, atomic chemistry, and so on. The
man listened intently and thought, 'This is really cool.'

The man decided to test the robot. He walked out the bar, turned
around, and came back in for another drink. Again, the robot asked him, 'What's your IQ?'
The man responded, '100.' So the robot started talking about football,
baseball, and so on. The man thought to himself, 'Wow, this is amazing.'

The man went out and came back in a third time. As before, the robot
asked him, 'What's your IQ?'

The man replied, '50.'

The robot then said, 'So, you gonna vote for Kerry?

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tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Wednesday Sep 01, 2004

actually it looks as though kerry's daughters are better lookin although we need nude pics to really get an acurate judgement.

So lets vote who's daughters are hotter!!!

Someone set up a poll

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

I call it a toss up...If I wasn't married, they could all be my sugar mommas....Not that any of them are anything special but, when you're ugly, money talks.....

COME ON, COME ON, LOVIN' FOR THE MONEY!!!!

Imgrimm01 · Post by **Imgrimm01** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

I' d pork any of the 4 of them, BUT I would do the Bush's in the ass DRY while their parents ( tied up in the corner ) watched ! The Kerry's I would paint an art project on their face while Bill Clinton cheered me on !! HALE CLINTON !!!! Greatest President of ALL TIME !!

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

noAngel wrote:and why do you libs, when you don't have a fact to stand on always resort to name-calling?

Liberals use name calling and ad hominem insults when they can't present a noetic argument? I take it you're not familiar with Limbaugh, Savage, or Coulter. (3 conservatives who love to throw insults around)

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

Noetic Eh? Very nice! I won't even breach the Political thing anymore. Seems a waste of time. That is why I stay away from debate scenarios, it just seems that anyone I talk to wants desperatley for me to believe that there is some roundabout way that they should be consodered right.

I lost my ability to base my self worth on someone else's belief that I am right or wrong. I don't really think that it matters who wins the election.

The Country is going to hell in a handbasket. We place emphasis on materialism and encourage promiscuity, we tell ourselves that we will be happy if we can just achieve a financial status that serves our need for acquisition.

We like to talk but we don't really want to do anything that takes us away from fullfilling our own needs.

Even in this small group of Rockpage people we hold a benefit performance and no one can show. We all have reasons why we can't show up though.

Well all the Politicians have reasons too. The Media has great reasons why they polute rather then enlighten.

Everyone seems to have a reason why they are too busy to really care or help or participate.

Republican or Democrat, who gives a shit?

As long as the people are kept so busy trying to attain the things that they believe they need in order to live a full and happy life it does not matter. Might as well be Kevin Costner, Johnny Depp or Pluto the F*&^&ing dog running the country.

I know of very few people who if asked "Lay down your self and come follow me" would do it. All biblical jargon aside, most people will not sacrifice for anyone outside their immediate group. There are always exceptions.

But I don't care about politics anyway! Sorry! And anyone who is really a leader and worthy of the Office of President of the United States of America would not take the job! Why the heck would someone of real fiber submit themselves to that kind of crap? Money? Power? Or maybe the self righteous belief that your way will make be better for everyone?

So what do you all think of Alter Bridge? Tremonti plays some mean licks!

PS I won't argue the pointsa because that would be sort of stupid after the comments, eh?

oobie · Post by **oobie** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

well said torn&frayed!!! you are exactly right the person that would fit the job would not take it, probably because of morality and for the simple fact that, he/she wouldn't even have the money to do it you gotta be a filthy rich non tax paying polititian to even give it a shot.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

bassist_25 wrote:
noAngel wrote:and why do you libs, when you don't have a fact to stand on always resort to name-calling?

Liberals use name calling and ad hominem insults when they can't present a noetic argument? I take it you're not familiar with Limbaugh, Savage, or Coulter. (3 conservatives who love to throw insults around)

Yes, there are a few out there, but you won't find many everyday conservatives (real ones) engaging in that behavior.

When it comes to liberals, it seems the entire rank and file of the left wing "Bush-haters" all belch out the same slanderous sound bites over and over. I see it on this board. I hear it at gigs. I hear it in bars. I hear it in our machine shop. I'm starting to hear it in my sleep...

I'm sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but Bush did not lie. Its now a matter of public record and anyone who says differently is the liar.

When I venture to ask one of these ranting ravers what their stance is on a particular issue, they generally don't have one. In contrast, if you ask a conservative, you better have a lot of time on your hands.

Paul, you are the exception to the rule, although I don't consider you a liberal in the 1st place.

Also, great post Dave.

Its close, but I vote for the Bush girls, although the Kerry girls look pretty good in spite of their dad.

FatVin · Post by **FatVin** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

Sorry about that, I just love watching you Ultra conservative types getting on your ear.

A man I respect, a man with a Doctorate in Philosphy, from Penn (not Penn State mind you, Penn, we're talking Ivy League here) once told me that the only difference between politics and wrasslin is that you meet nicer people.....

in Wrasslin.

WHoever you vote for

Vote don't just bitch but Vote

"The best argument against Democracy is 5 minutes spent talking to the average voter"

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other kind"

- Winston Churchill

GUITARII · Post by **GUITARII** » Thursday Sep 02, 2004

Okay..... politics aside.... Did anyone catch what was going on when the music started jamming right after they unanimously declared Bush our canidate?

Where's the rythm is these folks? Even the brother on the platform seemed to mimic Steve Martin in "The Jerk"..... I gotta say it.... at least Clinton could hang with the music! The only ones that seemed to find a groove were the 2 sisters out there that looked like they were searchin for the buffet!

Are we all that bad when were gettin jiggy wit it?