Metallica in Hall of Fame

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

Jeff Beck and Metallica are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... 1&catnum=0

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

I just saw this. Why have they been passing up the good acts for stupid acts like Run-DMC?

Blain · Post by **Blain** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

Yes, time for the yearly Hall of Fame bullshit. Run DMC, but still no Rush. Or Chicago. Seriously, can anybody really put up a convincing argument why Run DMC should be in the Hall of Fame ahead of Rush or Chicago?

Feelgood · Post by **Feelgood** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

Blain wrote:Yes, time for the yearly Hall of Fame bullshit. Run DMC, but still no Rush. Or Chicago. Seriously, can anybody really put up a convincing argument why Run DMC should be in the Hall of Fame ahead of Rush or Chicago?

If it wasn't for Run DMC there would have been no Limp Bizkit or Korn. Duh!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

ugh...limp and korn SUCK. wait...all rap rock sucks.
maybe we should find a way to go back in time and take out Run DMC

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

Seriously although Run DMC isn't my thing they were inovators and the old school rap actually has a groove. I think they deserve it. Rush does deserve it also, Chicago ? Nah, I think I'd rather listen to Run DMC.

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

I am always at odds with some of their selections too. How can anybody rightfully say that Run-DMC are more musically talented and deserving to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame than any of these groups? There are many more eligible but this is just a partial list.

Alice Cooper
Bachman Turner Overdrive
Bad Company
Badfinger
Blood, Sweat, & Tears
Blue Öyster Cult
Boston
The Box Tops
Bryan Adams
The Cars
Cat Stevens
Cheap Trick
Chicago
Cliff Richard (Solo & with The Shadows)
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Devo
Dire Straits
Doobie Brothers
Electric Light Orchestra
Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
Foghat
Foreigner
Genesis
Gentle Giant
Grand Funk Railroad
The Guess Who
Hall & Oates
Heart
The Hollies
Jethro Tull
Johnny Rivers
Journey
Jr. Walker & The All-Stars
Judas Priest
Kansas
King Crimson
Kiss
Moody Blues
Neil Diamond
Pat Benatar
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Rush
Scorpions
Status Quo
Steppenwolf
Steve Miller Band
Styx
Supertramp
Thin Lizzy
Three Dog Night
Todd Rundgren
Tommy James & the Shondells
Toto
Tower of Power
Yes

rickw · Post by **rickw** » Wednesday Jan 14, 2009

My vote this year is for Kung Pow and the Foo Yungs, Hell, everything else is made in China anyway.

Seriously Chicago should be there. Just listen to the first three albums and tell me who broke newer ground. Terry Kath has always been and still is a major influence for me. And maybe you have heard of a cat named Jimi Hendrix. He loved Kath's playing.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

I like Run DMC more than Rush and Chicago. Actually, I can't stand either of those bands. I don't know why they're not in the HOF though? It seems a ton of musicians like them and not too much anyone else. It seems taboo for me to be in a band and not like Rush/Dream Theater/hendrix. Whatever I just don't like them. I don't hate them, I don't think they have no talent, I just don't like it and it appears I'm not the only one. haha

I'm just upset the Stooges didn't join the Ramones and the Clash. Oh well!

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

Does getting a nod for induction have anything to do with musical ability?

I don't really think that it does. I love Rush but the only way they will make that jump is for longevity.

A lot of bands and artists have a special place in my heart but I don't think that they will ever be inducted...

UFO, great band but.... Hall of Fame? I doubt it...

Same with the others listed above. Does not mean that they are bad....

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

Rush has too many odd timings and musically has a 'college degree' (not all I IV V)... Of course they're not going to get in...

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Selection Criteria is very simple as follows:

The Categories
Performers
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 500 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes - and more than 50 percent of the vote - are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Non-Performers
Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll.

Early Influences
Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.

The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-Performer and Early Influences categories.

Side Men
This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their careers out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.

VENTGtr · Post by **VENTGtr** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

Rush should be in for every reason anyone can cite. Whether someone likes
them or not, they have longevity, influence, album sales, concert/tour sales, etc.

I've seen them 5 or 6 times and it's not all musicians in those stadiums they sell
out everywhere on the planet.

Not just sayin' because I like them. There are plenty of bands/singers/performers
who should (And may be) in there that I don't like.

I have no problem with RunDMC being inducted at all. They were an innovator,
and a huge influence (Although...ya...LimpBizkit.... I certainly don't LIKE everything
they influenced).

The idea that Jeff Beck is JUST getting in is absurd. I guess he's in with The Yardbirds,
but still...

Chicago probably got a 20 year penalty for "You're the Inspiration". Terry Kath
wouldn't have let that happen. All hail Terry. Maybe they could do a "Chicago
I-XI, congratulations. XII-...whatever you're up to...back to the County Fair circuit"...
and you...Cetera...keep sweepin'.

EDIT: Freakin' nice. Now I have "When you love somebody (Always on your mind..."
goin' through my mind...Need to make it stop...tempted to throw an uncalled for how-
Kath-passed-away reference in...but that would be SOOOO wrong.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

VENTGtr wrote:Cetera...keep sweepin'.

ROFLMAO

Oh, and I could see UFO in the Hall. You young fellers may not realize how influential they were to metal. They helped move metal away from dungeons and dragons, had to-die-for guitar work, and hmmmmm... Song hooks! And Phil Mogg, one of my favorite singers.---->JMS

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

moxham123 wrote:The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Selection Criteria is very simple as follows:

The Categories
Performers
Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 500 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes - and more than 50 percent of the vote - are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Non-Performers
Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll.

Early Influences
Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.

The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-Performer and Early Influences categories.

Side Men
This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their careers out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.

So other wards it is the same group of people who select the grammy winners? Obviously people who claim to know about music, who have no idea what music is and what music is not. I think Jethro Tull should have been picked over Metallica

Blain · Post by **Blain** » Thursday Jan 15, 2009

Well, you don't get by for over 30 years, and literally millions of albums sold, by just playing to other musicians. Rush should be in the HOF, no question.

Without looking it up, can anybody name four Run DMC songs? Not including Walk This Way.

Whether you like them or not, there is no argument that Chicago should be in. Fucking Ritchie Valens is in the HOF, and his career was all of about fifteen minutes. Blondie. Jackson Browne. Patti Smith (?!?). Madonna. IN the Hall of Fame. Come on.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

f.sciarrillo wrote:
So other wards it is the same group of people who select the grammy winners? Obviously people who claim to know about music, who have no idea what music is and what music is not. I think Jethro Tull should have been picked over Metallica

Yep, and that's why I don't bother watching or getting excited about the Grammys. It's just the music industry elite kissing its own ass over how many units were sold that year and how many glowing reviews were written by pretentious and self-important critics. These are the same people who write as though The Whites Stripes are the next Mozart or Miles Davis, so go figure.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

My Adidas
Rock Box
You Talk too much
It's tricky.

Why can't I mention Walk this way? Oh, yeah cuz everyone knows it.

Go ask a 15 year old kid if they know it. I bet they do.

Go ask a 15 year old kid to name a chicago or ufo song. I'm 30 and I couldn't do it if it weren't for ventgtr posting You're my inspiration or whatever. I never knew whose song that was. Wanna know why? It was gay.

I get everyone feeling slighted cuz their fave band or biggest influence didn't get in, but did you ever think that's because you have a little "better" taste in music than the average idiot out there? I guess Pauls post kinda covers that.

My all time fave band: The Misfits. I doubt they'll be in the HOF anytime soon. And they started a whole genre of music known as horror punk, and were a major influence on Metallica.

PanzerFaust · Post by **PanzerFaust** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

Anyone been to the HOF?

I really wanted to go when it first opened but the more I hear about some of the bands getting inducted the less cool I think it would be to go see it...

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

DirtySanchez wrote:
I get everyone feeling slighted cuz their fave band or biggest influence didn't get in, but did you ever think that's because you have a little "better" taste in music than the average idiot out there? I guess Pauls post kinda covers that.

I couldn't have said it any better myself, Brian. The Grammys, The Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame...I honestly don't give an airbourne copulation about any of that stuff either way. If peope haven't realized that life is often a bunch of politics, then they're living under a rock. I got passed up for a department award when I was in college despite probably having the highest GPA in my major, probably being accepted to the most graduate programs within my cohort, and being an excellent researcher. I was a commuter, though, and really didn't have many opportunities to get to know all of my professors or imbed myself in the department. Nothing against those who got awards, because they deserved them, but did I feel like I deserved an award? Yeah I did, but factors beyond just objective performance came into play. Does Rush deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? I think so, but again, there are other factors at play as well. Besides, how do you objectively quanitify something like how influential an artist has been, anyways?

Sorry to sound all pissy, but every year, the HOF issue comes up and people act all surprised when their pet artist doesn't get in. If I were in Cleveland, I'd go see the Hall of Fame. I'm not going to follow their induction choices like NFL draft picks, though.

Blain · Post by **Blain** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

I don't have a pet band. I like Rush, Chicago not so much. That isn't the point. It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The fact that there are some unknown criteria that allows a band like Run DMC or Madonna in before a long list of people that are far more deserving is amazing to me.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Friday Jan 16, 2009

That is why I don't care about the HOF or grammy's, Blain. It is a bunch of idiots picking the winners.

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Saturday Jan 17, 2009

PanzerFaust wrote:Anyone been to the HOF?

I really wanted to go when it first opened but the more I hear about some of the bands getting inducted the less cool I think it would be to go see it...

I've been there twice, and I really enjoyed both trips. I think every musician should go there at least once. The first time I went they had the Elvis exhibit, the second time it was the U2 exhibit. Seeing all of the memorabilia makes the drive well worth it.

Side note here: I'm going to the Martin Guitar Factory on Monday, has anyone been there, and if so, what did you think??