Chick Singers: The Sarah Palin Chronicles.

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My favorite ad in any rockpage classified is

Singer Needed (Female)

God forbid you spend some time practicing your songs or doing the leg work to get some good shows with good crowds. No, no, here we go. Instead, let's get a chick singer so the drooling masses will come to salivate at the front of the stage.

If the only qualification needed for any of you is breasts and a vagina, get your head checked. Estrogen does not qualify you to be the vice president, secretary of state or singer. I think the qualification for that last one is actually being able to sing.

Are there women qualified to do all of these things and more? Hell yes! Probably more than there are men for all I know. Just try in the future to place your hopes on the pipes and not the pups.
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In my experience, any band that's all show and no go - whether it's some hot chick with minimal talent or dudes in fruity outfits - usually burns out when the hype is gone and the new flavor is out. Some bands really work with a female front, like Silver Sunday or Juiced when Carrie was with them. With other bands, it's lame as hell due to the reasons you mentioned.
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Perhaps Paul, but...

A) Chick singers are awesome. I've been in a couple bands with female vocals involved (1 such band had 2 femme vocalists), and I won't back down from playing with a front woman. It's more inspiring, in some cases, to see a girl pick up an instrument or put their vocals to use to me, as, more often than not, it's mostly guys that pick up instruments or learn to really sing. Let's face it... Seeing a girl playing an instrument or singing is cool!

B) If they're looking for a female singer, they're probably looking for that sound, and not just to stare at her chest. After all... I'd hope that if they're on Rockpage, they're here for the musical portion. There are billions of sites out there for fulfilling other needs. And no, I'm not in the mood to share my stash right now. Catch me at another time and maybe I'll be more willing to share the wealth :lol:

C) It's still not cool to flame someone's attempts to find someone, regardless of whether they're looking for a woman, someone of another race, or whatever that band wants,... Hell, if they want a mentally handicapped person to front them, as long as it's not to make fun of them, why should the creator of this thread, let alone anyone, care?

That being said,... So what! Let them put a girl in their band!
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d3w177 wrote:My favorite ad in any rockpage classified is

Singer Needed (Female)

God forbid you spend some time practicing your songs or doing the leg work to get some good shows with good crowds. No, no, here we go. Instead, let's get a chick singer so the drooling masses will come to salivate at the front of the stage.

If the only qualification needed for any of you is breasts and a vagina, get your head checked. Estrogen does not qualify you to be the vice president, secretary of state or singer. I think the qualification for that last one is actually being able to sing.

Are there women qualified to do all of these things and more? Hell yes! Probably more than there are men for all I know. Just try in the future to place your hopes on the pipes and not the pups.
This thread is total bullshit and i think DW is just jealous of all the bands with female singers that have had success. I know for a fact that our singer Lily practices her ass off and does more then her share at gigs helping set up and tear down equipment as well as doing her job on the stage and not just flaunting her tits and vagina around as you have put it. Maybe you need some more practice to get your band to the point that all the other good bands around here are already at. So dont stereotype other girls and bands on here because you cant cut it or bring a crowd into your shows. My band Nitekast had 2 males singers for the longest time and finally we decided we would like to play some female fronted fronted rock and brought Lily in to do that. Whats the problem with that. She may bring in some more guys because of her looks but hey that's been going on forever in music. Vagina rules the world right. I've also seen male front men bring in alot of chicks to a show but I dont hear you complaining about that. I dont wanna start a fight on here but just show some more class in a public forum like this where many females and bands with females in them like to look around. Sheesh.
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Nitekast , Paul, Naga...dead on, guys.

I was in a band once with a female singer and she was blessed all around. And what did the people come for??? Her voice. All I heard was "God, can she sing" never "man, she has a nice rack." We had what really counted - talent - and it rose above physical features.

I had the pleasure of seeing JustMegan at Ace's Music once. Is she pretty? God, yes. But I was more captivated by her voice and her ability to play. Again, talent prevails.

It would just be nice to know exactly why the original post was put up. Sounds a little like sour grapes - but for what reason? If it's about the one from Amystika in the classified section...WTF? There's nothing there asking for a silicone singer to induce overwhelming floods of male saliva...they just want a female vocalist. What the hell harm is that?
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The band I'm currently working with has a female singer. We split vocals and will be doing the Ozzy & Lita tune. Still looking for a lead guitar player though.....................
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Naga wrote:Hell, if they want a mentally handicapped person to front them, as long as it's not to make fun of them, why should the creator of this thread, let alone anyone, care?
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Ok, I have a vagina and breast and one of the biggest set of balls this page has seen. ( Please note that fact in your Blackberries, thank you.) But let me say I will agree with the original poster if someone hires on a chick who is ONLY there for the look factor and they aren't a proficient singer. It gives female vocalist/musicians a bad rap. If you want a chick to bring in the masses add some cage dancers or something, but don't have them open their mouths if they're all fluff and no substance.

Now, if someone wants a female vocalist/musician who can rock the damn house and be every bit one of the "boys" club, then hire on! There are some fantastic women out there that can wail and play like the bastards.

I'm not gonna get into a rant defending women. Why you ask? Because, I'm bigger than this? Everything that needs to be said, has been? No, the answer is, I'm friggin PMS-ing and I don't wanna! :lol:

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REDillon wrote:Ok, I have a vagina and breast and one of the biggest set of balls this page has seen. ( Please note that fact in your Blackberries, thank you.) But let me say I will agree with the original poster if someone hires on a chick who is ONLY there for the look factor and they aren't a proficient singer. It gives female vocalist/musicians a bad rap. If you want a chick to bring in the masses add some cage dancers or something, but don't have them open their mouths if they're all fluff and no substance.

Now, if someone wants a female vocalist/musician who can rock the damn house and be every bit one of the "boys" club, then hire on! There are some fantastic women out there that can wail and play like the bastards.

I'm not gonna get into a rant defending women. Why you ask? Because, I'm bigger than this? Everything that needs to be said, has been? No, the answer is, I'm friggin PMS-ing and I don't wanna! :lol:

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Excellent post.

I have noticed a recent trend in the past half year or so to go with the chick-fronted band with dudes on instruments formula. Or perhas that formula has been pervasive for quite a while and I've just become cognizant of it. :? Regardless, if the gal has pipes and is willing to pay her dues - not strereotyping here, but I've run into a few primadonnas who thought they were superstars and above doing things like help set up the PA - then jam on. If you want to put a hot chick with karaoke night experience behind the mic, then I wish you the best; however, experience tells me that it's going to be emphemeral thing, so enjoy it while it lasts. People like Ruschelle, Trace, Deb, and the aforementioned Cathy are the real fuckin' deal. They were here before the karaoke-turned-wannabe rocker girls were here, and they'll be here long after the karaoke-turned-wannabe rocker girls are gone.
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Everytime I get into this discussion, it makes me look like I have something against women. Not true at all. I haven't really been too involved in a project that was female-fronted, but that's really only because I've generally been the frontman.
That, and I have only one requirement for a female band-member: no female-only excuses. Pregnant? Well, okay, I'm allowing that one, but otherwise, you're humping gear like the rest of us, you're playing wounded or sick, you're dealing with a-holes like the rest of us, and we're going to pick on you like we pick on one another, so deal with it. That is true equality. Chivalry has no place in a band framework. It's fake nice-treatment, and it takes away from a team when one member of the team has special privileges.
See how that makes me sound misogynistic?
Plus, I'm very wary of super-pretty girls, as a super-ugly guy. We often put them up on pedestals, whether we mean to or not, it's in our genes (and jeans! :wink: ). I'm nearly 45 years old, I'm much more pragmatic... I prefer some extra weight, baby-making hips, and the ability to change her own flat-tire. :lol:
I love it when girls take guitar lessons at the store. I've never seen so many female guitar students, and many of the ones I've talked to want to be in a band. They understand that everybody has to start at the bottom and pay them dues, and they're happy to do so... that's how it should be. If you don't learn to play an instrument, you'll just be a singer, like BadDazeRob! :shock: :lol: Just kidding, obviously, but "just a singer" has to really have his/her sh*t together to rise above the rest, you have to work even harder than the others to impress and achieve.
So before I get flamed for not having a woman in the band, note that I'm just saying looking and singing pretty ain't enough. I feel the exact same way about bare-chested dudes with six-pack abs and a really cool way of holding an SM-58. He's pretty, but can he throw down? And will he help load out? :roll: -------->JMS
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REDillon wrote:Ok, I have a vagina and breast and one of the biggest set of balls this page has seen.
And you have a helluva set of.....





PIPES! :wink:
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Excellent post.

I have noticed a recent trend in the past half year or so to go with the chick-fronted band with dudes on instruments formula. Or perhas that formula has been pervasive for quite a while and I've just become cognizant of it. :? Regardless, if the gal has pipes and is willing to pay her dues - not strereotyping here, but I've run into a few primadonnas who thought they were superstars and above doing things like help set up the PA - then jam on. If you want to put a hot chick with karaoke night experience behind the mic, then I wish you the best; however, experience tells me that it's going to be emphemeral thing, so enjoy it while it lasts. People like Ruschelle, Trace, Deb, and the aforementioned Carrie are the real fuckin' deal. They were here before the karaoke-turned-wannabe rocker girls were here, and they'll be here long after the karaoke-turned-wannabe rocker girls are gone.[/quote]
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Ditto, Thank you for the kind comments. :D
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REDillon wrote:Ok, I have a vagina and breast and one of the biggest set of balls this page has seen.
Let me get this straight. You have huge balls and one breast? That's a disturbing image.
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They call me the uni-boober. :P

Look, we all pay our dues. And unless you finally "make it" you will NEVER be done paying your dues. Even if you get an industry contract, you gotta work your ass off to get past your second album so even being A STAR you gotta pay your dues. It's the nature of the beast. What the hell does gender have to do with it? Nothing. I've shlept equipment, I've set up and run sound. I've beat the pavement to hussle for gigs. I've studied voice so I don't shred my chords to fuck. I play guitar. I lived with my band mates back in the day and I wasn't the party favor. I am an asshole and give as good as I get. I do everything a musician has to do to work and survive in this industry. Who gives a rats ass if I have a damn ax wound or a penis. There is no difference. I speak for the ax wounded every where and there are many. I'm glad I got this off my uni-boob. Now if you'll please excuse me, I have a pie in the oven and my feet are cold.

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REDillon wrote:They call me the uni-boober. :P

Look, we all pay our dues. And unless you finally "make it" you will NEVER be done paying your dues. Even if you get an industry contract, you gotta work your ass off to get past your second album so even being A STAR you gotta pay your dues. It's the nature of the beast. What the hell does gender have to do with it? Nothing. I've shlept equipment, I've set up and run sound. I've beat the pavement to hussle for gigs. I've studied voice so I don't shred my chords to fuck. I play guitar. I lived with my band mates back in the day and I wasn't the party favor. I am an asshole and give as good as I get. I do everything a musician has to do to work and survive in this industry. Who gives a rats ass if I have a damn ax wound or a penis. There is no difference. I speak for the ax wounded every where and there are many. I'm glad I got this off my uni-boob. Now if you'll please excuse me, I have a pie in the oven and my feet are cold.

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Hi gang. Interesting topic so I need to chime in here.

I think there are several bands that will have a chic sing just because she is hot (not necessarily talented). Other bands will get someone who is talented regardless of gender or looks.

Sex does sell and it is a marketing scheme. There aren't many ugly female news casters. Guys will be drawn to hot chics and their looks tend to filter out their talent in some cases.
For example, look at this chic on youtube. She obviously gets her self prettied up with make up and sings in front of her web cam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzfW8b92s4
In my opinion, she is not that talented. Her pitch shifts around and I don't care for her tone. The guys write comments drooling about her.

So do I have a point? Sort of... I personally value talent over looks. However, I might not speak for the majority of patrons out there.


Anyway... I play in a trio with a "chic" singer.
http://www.jillgmusic.com
I think she is one of the best female singers around here. She is blessed with being good looking as well. This group was put together out of talent and not looks. However, it never hurts if you have some talented eye candy.


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Gwen Stefani and Shirley Manson pulled it off well. Their emotion-filled lyrics have filled the headphones of people since the mid-90s. When a woman is angry, the world listens! Being hot just adds to the attraction and marketability.

Men are angry all the time...but so much less interesting! Especially when songs are about breaking up, or getting revenge...for some reason, girls just do it really well.

I personally give props to any girl that takes on a male dominated scene. Lord knows there are plenty of MEN who are fronting bands as well for reasons OTHER than singing ability.
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floodcitybrass wrote:Hi gang. Interesting topic so I need to chime in here.

I think there are several bands that will have a chic sing just because she is hot (not necessarily talented). Other bands will get someone who is talented regardless of gender or looks.

Sex does sell and it is a marketing scheme. There aren't many ugly female news casters. Guys will be drawn to hot chics and their looks tend to filter out their talent in some cases.
For example, look at this chic on youtube. She obviously gets her self prettied up with make up and sings in front of her web cam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAzfW8b92s4
In my opinion, she is not that talented. Her pitch shifts around and I don't care for her tone. The guys write comments drooling about her.

So do I have a point? Sort of... I personally value talent over looks. However, I might not speak for the majority of patrons out there.


Anyway... I play in a trio with a "chic" singer.
http://www.jillgmusic.com
I think she is one of the best female singers around here. She is blessed with being good looking as well. This group was put together out of talent and not looks. However, it never hurts if you have some talented eye candy.


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Hey Paul, Thank ya honey!
I think that there are plenty of MUSICIANS in general who get to front bands or actually made it to the big time because of their looks or ability to perform. Madonna to me is a prime example of style completely over substance. To me her songs sound like a cheerleader chant sung by a munchkin. But I always hear people say, Oh but she's a great performer or well she's so smart business wise. I always answer that with, yeah, but can she play OR sing? In my opinion, holy fuckin' NO!

My credo was said by Ann and Nancy Wilson in an article in Rolling Stone back in the early 80's. They described their sound and abilities as "cock rock without the cock". I've always lived by that and will continue. Ask my band. I'm one of the guys. I do the business. I write songs. I play guitar. I carry equipment, drums, amps, et al. I have strong arms, baby! And I do my level best to sing my heart out and put on a damn energetic show. I'm 46 and I can still rock it with the best of 'em. Is it a gender thing? Nope. It's a heart, brain & balls thing!
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Let me set things straight for those that think I'm just bashing. First off, there are some very good bands with female singers (obviously), female guitarists, pianists, xylophone and every other darn thing out there. But I challenge you to turn on American Idol or Americas Got Talent one day. The fact is 99% of people think they can sing and 98.9% suck out loud. The fact is, it's not as easy as it looks (or sounds I guess). So the strategy of any serious band should not be to immediately cut down their field of choices by one half.

As for those bands just using the T&A, I have listed none and will list none. If everyone on this board is as experienced or knowledgable as they say, you already know where I'm coming from.

Thanks for the lively debate.
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CHICKSINGA wrote:Hey Paul, Thank ya honey!
I think that there are plenty of MUSICIANS in general who get to front bands or actually made it to the big time because of their looks or ability to perform. Madonna to me is a prime example of style completely over substance. To me her songs sound like a cheerleader chant sung by a munchkin. But I always hear people say, Oh but she's a great performer or well she's so smart business wise. I always answer that with, yeah, but can she play OR sing? In my opinion, holy fuckin' NO!

My credo was said by Ann and Nancy Wilson in an article in Rolling Stone back in the early 80's. They described their sound and abilities as "cock rock without the cock". I've always lived by that and will continue. Ask my band. I'm one of the guys. I do the business. I write songs. I play guitar. I carry equipment, drums, amps, et al. I have strong arms, baby! And I do my level best to sing my heart out and put on a damn energetic show. I'm 46 and I can still rock it with the best of 'em. Is it a gender thing? Nope. It's a heart, brain & balls thing!
Well said, Ann and Nancy still have it. We got to catch them in Hershey several weeks ago. They were awsome. I didn't see them carring equipment . They sure carried the band. Tracy if you ever want to do a Heart revival gig let me know.. I have a new dolly with balloon tires LOL.
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I have played in a couple female fronted bands over the years and they have their good points and bad points in my opinion. Both were really good singers but one would sit in the car till the equipment set up doing her makeup and the other would bust her ass helping out. There seems to be more drama in that type of situation which is intensified when one of the guys in the band is banging the singer and when they have problems the entire band has issues and you can tell when they are on stage. And when the relationship goes south so does the band. In that case jealousy is a problem because you get "whos that guy hitting on my girlfriend Im going to kick his ass" or "whos that little slut sliding up and down on my boyfriend I will scratrch her eyes out"
Im not bashing Female fronted bands as we had a good run in both that I was in and have a lot of good memories of those days. The main thing is to be professional and dont let your dick run the band as it will end badly.
So let the bashing me begin and I dont really care or I would not have posted this. But those are my experiences with a female fronted bands
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songsmith wrote:If you don't learn to play an instrument, you'll just be a singer, like BadDazeRob! :shock: :lol: ...

... note that I'm just saying looking and singing pretty ain't enough. I feel the exact same way about bare-chested dudes with six-pack abs and a really cool way of holding an SM-58. He's pretty, but can he throw down? And will he help load out? :roll: -------->JMS
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I've just got to say i have spent the last 5 years working with a female singer (Cathy) and prior to that i worked with Dana Martino of the swing hounds for 3 years or so. Both of them have the pipes and work there asses off. Not to mention they lug gear. I have to hand it to cathy she is one of the only singers i know that can break down a drum kit. I don't think it's limiting to have or want a female singer most women can pull off more songs...they can do all the female tunes and it pulls off alot better usually when they do dude songs. Guys unless they have one hell of a range have a tough time doing female tunes. Hell most of the time it takes a chick to hit tunes by Zepplin, ozzy, etc. Plus i have found that most male singers in this area want to do heavy stuff. Nothing wrong with that but i know i'd rather not play real heavy stuff. So nothing wrong with looking for what works best for you or what you want. As long as looks are not a part of the requirement then so what if you want a female singer. I know i lean more towards female singers...will i give a dude a chance heck yeah.
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That's why we have Scott in Fedup. He's pretty, and he loves the cock!
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