McCain choosed Palin .. Smart move ? (Political)

[Banned]

Johnny, don't you know corporations do not pay taxes. We pay them for them. The price of everything you buy has the taxes they pay already factored into the price.

You claim you are not a liberal or that you would have voted for Ron Paul, but you seem to like governmental regulations. Ron Paul is a true libertarian, and is against government intervention into the free market.

Being libertarian means doing away with government regulations. It also means that we will all have much more of our own money, because the government will shrink.

Ron Paul wants to lower taxes on big oil, and little ole you and me. That's how we get this country up and running again.


BTW, T. Boone is of course underselling the potential of oil these days. He is investing big time in wind turbine energy, so he would not want renewed drilling domestically, it would lower the price of oil and not make his new investments as attractive to investors.

[lonewolf]

Getting back on topic. I was surprised to see Palin this year. She has been an up-and-comer on the political scene, but I thought she would go the traditional route first and address the RNC to get her recognition for 2012. 4 more years as Alaska's governer would also dispel any lack of experience claims. Lack of experience doesn't seem to be an issue this year.

Positives:

1) will firm up GOP conservative base
2) puts energy issue front and center
3) will probably gain support of many PUMA and other Hillary supporters
4) should appeal to those who are tired of Washington insiders

Negatives:

1) no name recognition
2) perception of lack of experience
3) will probably lose most pro-abortion voters who were undecided

It is said that elections are won by firming up your base and then going for the undecided independents. If you go by this mantra, Sarah Palin should be a net positive, barring any unforeseen problems.

[Hawk]

Getting back on topic. I was surprised to see Palin this year. She has been an up-and-comer on the political scene, but I thought she would go the traditional route first and address the RNC to get her recognition for 2012. 4 more years as Alaska's governer would also dispel any lack of experience claims. Lack of experience doesn't seem to be an issue this year.

Positives:

1) will firm up GOP conservative base
2) puts energy issue front and center
3) will probably gain support of many PUMA and other Hillary supporters
4) should appeal to those who are tired of Washington insiders

Negatives:

1) no name recognition
2) perception of lack of experience
3) will probably lose most pro-abortion voters who were undecided

It is said that elections are won by firming up your base and then going for the undecided independents. If you go by this mantra, Sarah Palin should be a net positive, barring any unforeseen problems.

She's a pistol packin' woman, thats gooder nugh fur me.

[songsmith]

Johnny, don't you know corporations do not pay taxes. We pay them for them. The price of everything you buy has the taxes they pay already factored into the price.

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Yeah, and they already have the price of their palatial home (and everything else I buy) included in my price, too. Also, by that logic, I don't pay income taxes, my employer factors that into my wages, and HE pays them. What a great guy!

If I'm liberal, and not independent, then what do you say for your decidedly pro-Republican views? Where do YOU differ?

Incidentally, T. Boone Pickens hasn't exactly divested himself of his petro- holdings. He's still one of the most powerful oilmen in the world, and if he put 10 billion into wind infrastructure, he'd still have tens of billions in his own personal accounts, not including the public holdings he controls. If he builds the infrastructure, then charges for the power, he'll be paid very handsomely, and nobody had to invade a country to get the energy. All contracts will actually be bid-upon. Sure, a rich guy gets even richer, but no terrorist states would be involved. That energy wouldn't be traded on commodities markets overseas, and be marked up dozens of times by speculators. It can only be exported to Canada or Mexico, unless they build power lines across the Atlantic. I want to see turbines as plentiful as telephone poles, all sizes. I want to see solar panels on everything, not just highway signs. I want to see rusted Hummer H2's in junkyards... the military makes tanks, too, that doesn't mean you should drive one (if you wouldn't take your Hummer off-road, why ever would you need one, and they're way too expensive to mud with).
I digress. Perhaps you tell me where the current administration has our best energy interests in mind?----->JMS

[Banned]

Ha ha ha ha. Wanting less government is definitely not pro republican. This administration has spend more non-defense money than the previous democratic 8 years.

The Republicans have become big government democrats. Democrats are becoming full fledged socialists.

I am for the least government party, which at this time happens to be the Libertarian party.

Hey, who isn't for alternate forms of energy? My brother who was 18 in 1975 built a solar panel from garden hose and left over aluminum panels. It heated water for the shower and washing machine for 3 or 4 months every summer. Why isn't this hot water source available commercially to every home today?

You know domestic drilling would also make us totally independent of Middle Eastern oil. Why do you not want this? Oh, I know. Big Oil will actually make money doing this, and we all know how much you hate the man.

[Hawk]

You know domestic drilling would also make us totally independent of Middle Eastern oil. Why do you not want this? Oh, I know. Big Oil will actually make money doing this, and we all know how much you hate the man.

That statement is totally WRONG. The Republican election committee wants you to think - drill, drill, drill - will make a difference and reap votes.

The fact is :

The oil is given - not sold - given to big oil. They WILL sell it on the world market. It will have little effect on what you / we pay at the pump.

A Libertarian will NEVER get elected. A vote for a Democrat is your best chance of getting us into alternative energy and ween us off foreign oil.

Don't waste your vote on a candidate that has no chance of making a difference.

[bassist_25]

i think we can ALL agree that this is the most bizarro election this country has ever / will ever see. i feel like i'm watching reality tv; "Coming next week- a suprise so shocking that even the independents will be beside themselves!!! Will an alien run a fourth party campain, or will John McCain finally discover his biological dad has tentacles and Joe Biden is really a robot!!! Tune in for all the unbelivable excitement!!!" it's almost becoming a tragic comedy...

LMFAO!

[Banned]

You know domestic drilling would also make us totally independent of Middle Eastern oil. Why do you not want this? Oh, I know. Big Oil will actually make money doing this, and we all know how much you hate the man.

That statement is totally WRONG. The Republican election committee wants you to think - drill, drill, drill - will make a difference and reap votes.

The fact is :

The oil is given - not sold - given to big oil. They WILL sell it on the world market. It will have little effect on what you / we pay at the pump.

A Libertarian will NEVER get elected. A vote for a Democrat is your best chance of getting us into alternative energy and ween us off foreign oil.

Don't waste your vote on a candidate that has no chance of making a difference.

Bill, I disagree with every statement in your post. Everything you wrote is wrong. Oil companies LEASE the land they drill on. Leasing involved monitary payments and therefore is not free or given to them.

So we should waste our vote on Obama? I do not want the differences he wants, cradle to grave socialism.

[Hawk]

You know domestic drilling would also make us totally independent of Middle Eastern oil. Why do you not want this? Oh, I know. Big Oil will actually make money doing this, and we all know how much you hate the man.

That statement is totally WRONG. The Republican election committee wants you to think - drill, drill, drill - will make a difference and reap votes.

The fact is :

The oil is given - not sold - given to big oil. They WILL sell it on the world market. It will have little effect on what you / we pay at the pump.

A Libertarian will NEVER get elected. A vote for a Democrat is your best chance of getting us into alternative energy and ween us off foreign oil.

Don't waste your vote on a candidate that has no chance of making a difference.

Bill, I disagree with every statement in your post. Everything you wrote is wrong. Oil companies LEASE the land they drill on. Leasing involved monitary payments and therefore is not free or given to them.

So we should waste our vote on Obama? I do not want the differences he wants, cradle to grave socialism.

It's leased to them, then they are given subsidies. Who comes up the better side of that plan ?

You forgot to explain how putting the oil on the world market will give us independence from foreign oil ? It will not ! You said everything I said was wrong.

How about we stop all subsidies to big oil, and sell OUR oil to them. Then tell them they can only sell it here in the USA. Then listen for the laughter. But, that would be independence.

But isn't there another problem with that ? We don't have as much oil as we use. Therefore, vote for the candidate who will bring alternative energy to the front .

And, the break down of the 50% ? I still want to see that stat.

[Banned]

Bill, all oil is world market oil. It is an international commodity. If we drill for oil here, we would use that oil, like we do now. Texas is full of oil wells. We use that oil. We do not ship that oil to Europe.

When we use all the oil we have here, we will not have to have big oil ship oil from the Middle East.

How will Obama bring about alternative energies? The government will never do it as well as private industry. For example, 88% of all funds budgeted for welfare are eaten up by the bureaucracy of government. That's right, only 12% of the welfare budget goes to actual people. No private industry can run with 88% overhead. Bill you said you have a private business. Could you run it with 88% overhead? No, you would cut out unneeded expenses and wasteful spending. The government never does.

[Hawk]

Why don't we use the wells that are already tapped here ? Why don't they drill in land already leased here ?

Joe. WE DO EXPORT OIL already.

Read the following letter from a US Representative on the Energy commiussion committee asking Bush to stop exporting US crude oil.

http://globalwarming.house.gov/tools/2q ... s/0144.pdf

Why was a senate bill voted on to keep Anwr oil here in the US ? Why did McCain vote against the bill ?

[Hawk]

Do you really think big oil or anything big oil owns, is really trying to establish an alternative ?

[mjb]

[quote=How will Obama bring about alternative energies? [/quote]

probobly the same way he said he going to ask evrybody on his email list to go down and help out after the hurricane goes through. just because he says so. they will follow. LMFAO. its on yahoo i don't how to put it on here though.

and on the first day he said "let there be alternative energies" and it was so.

sad. i can't believe the people buying into to this guys bullshit. i mean holy shit.

we won't be any better off with mccaine, but that dude. c'mon, he's a joke. seriously.

[f.sciarrillo]

You talk about leasing the drilling land. Well who owns the mineral rights to the land ?? Just because you own the land doesn't mean you own the mineral rights.

[Hawk]

[Hawk]

You talk about leasing the drilling land. Well who owns the mineral rights to the land ?? Just because you own the land doesn't mean you own the mineral rights.

They get the oil for FREE because they lease the land.

[handful of blue]

Whatever happens it will be an election for the history books.

I'm democrat by party, but have voted republican in the past when I thought the repub was the best person for the job. I'm female and caucasion, but that doesn't mean I'll vote for the lady just to see a woman in the White House. I'm considering both parties for now. Either way, I'm glad to be alive to see the day come when a minority (woman or african american) will help to run the country. It's time for a change.

[randydrummer]

I just plain and simply can't get past her comments that she was a hockey mom and in the PTA. I hope at least one other American realizes that you can't run a country like either of those things. And as far as being the Commander in Chief of the Alaska Nat'l Guard... what have they done lately? I'm just saying that you can't take credit for stuff like that when there isn't any real executive decision making being required. At her level of "experience" the Commander in Chief title is just a title. I have loads of leadership experience over her, why didn't McCain call me? My wife doesn't just help with the PTA, she works for the school district. Oh, and she's a "dance class" mom. It's not hockey, but why didn't McCain call her?

Palin ain't nothin' special and if the ol' boy kicks it and she's left in charge... well, it doesn't matter as long as Rove is still alive, does it?

[f.sciarrillo]

You talk about leasing the drilling land. Well who owns the mineral rights to the land ?? Just because you own the land doesn't mean you own the mineral rights.

They get the oil for FREE because they lease the land.

lol. The point is that it is all based on who has the mineral rights. If you find oil on your property and exxon owns the rights, you legally don't get squat and they can come in and tell you to get out so they can drill.

[songsmith]

Actually, you would have had to sell those rights to Exxon. You own the rights, unless someone who owned the property before you sold them, but that would have been laid out in your sales agreement when you bought the property. You'd have known that. Exxon can't take oil on your property by eminent domain... yet. They can drill on your neighbor's property (if they bought their rights), and simply drain the oil under your property, though.
Also, our neighbors a few counties away are dealing with a situation where they were paid under 2 grand for mineral rights, then the gas company did tens of thousands in damage to the property, destroying crops, blocking rights-of-way, and making farm life unlivable.

Also, drilling here and drilling now would absolutely bring down the price of gasoline. By less than 5%. In 2015-2018. Assuming gas doesn't go any higher in price, that'll really help. I wouldn't bet the rent money gas doesn't go higher, though. It tends to do just that. And it's merely coincidence that the two top public offices in the free world are held by Texas oilmen.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, I listened to Neotalk on my way to the Raystown Branch yesterday (joe, you should play hooky and kayak down the river with me this week. No whitewater, just lazily floating and fishing. It's awesome!), and someone whose voice I didn't recognize was just going on and on about Palin's qualifications. Some of it was hilarious. He said flat-out that Palin's state sits just a few miles from Russia, and she's head of their National Guard, so she's tough and experienced on defense. Riiiiiiiight. So my buddy Dave Smith, who grew up across the street from SCI Smithfield, must be qualified to fight gang violence, since he was mere yards from hundreds of OG's. And a conservative woman called into Roger Hedgecock (whose voice sounds JUST like ucjoe's, eerily enough) on my way to work Saturday, and said she felt the Palin choice was patronizing. She wouldn't vote for someone JUST because she was a woman, or JUST because she was conservative. THAT is the backlash to the BushAdmin's heavy-handedness in the media. The Bushpilots' need for control over American public opinion led the Neotalkers to become so immersed in propagandizing that only the extreme farthest right can easily accept what they say.
I'm also VERY intrigued by the situation going on re: Gustav vs. the GOP Convention. It was extremely astute of the McCain camp to cancel today's activities. To see conventioneers partying in funny hats while Louisiana took a hit would have meant a sure defeat in November. However, the Dems got a lot of mileage out of last week's convention, added a historical first, and garnered hundreds of collective hours of free media time that would have cost far more than a convention. The GOP convention may lose some steam because of the storm cancellations (and late summer is all about steam in a presidential election), AND, the storm puts one of the BushAdmin's biggest failings back on the front page... does the McCain/Palin camp still want to associate themselves with this president? Not a smart move with independents and the ex-Hillary-supporters they need to win.
I'm telling you, if you wrote this election up as a novel, fiction critics would say it's too untenable to believe. I actually heard, on the radio yesterday, the one line that unofficially signals the real start of any presidential race: "This is one of the most important presidential elections in history!" In the words of Ozzy, "Let the madness begin!"------->JMS

[Banned]

I just plain and simply can't get past her comments that she was a hockey mom and in the PTA. I hope at least one other American realizes that you can't run a country like either of those things. And as far as being the Commander in Chief of the Alaska Nat'l Guard... what have they done lately? I'm just saying that you can't take credit for stuff like that when there isn't any real executive decision making being required. At her level of "experience" the Commander in Chief title is just a title. I have loads of leadership experience over her, why didn't McCain call me? My wife doesn't just help with the PTA, she works for the school district. Oh, and she's a "dance class" mom. It's not hockey, but why didn't McCain call her?

Palin ain't nothin' special and if the ol' boy kicks it and she's left in charge... well, it doesn't matter as long as Rove is still alive, does it?

Could anyone tell me Obama's executive experience? No one has ever run for President with less experience that Barry Hussien. BTW, will that Kenyan birth certificate be a little problem?

[songsmith]

So, you're saying Republicans don't NEED experience, but Dems do? And you want to point out that Obama has a Kenyan birth certificate... you DO know that McCain was not born in the U.S., right? Panama was a protectorate (Manifest Destiny... we just took over) at the time, now it's independent.
Sounds like the GOP party line, Joe.------->JMS

[f.sciarrillo]

So, you're saying Republicans don't NEED experience, but Dems do? And you want to point out that Obama has a Kenyan birth certificate... you DO know that McCain was not born in the U.S., right? Panama was a protectorate (Manifest Destiny... we just took over) at the time, now it's independent.
Sounds like the GOP party line, Joe.------->JMS

Obama isn't a natural born citizen ? If this is the case, he should have been ousted by the DNC and not allowed to run for President.

Wait a minute, that is how it is now. So how is he able to run? Tar and feather him ! lol

[lonewolf]

Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. By then Hawaii was a state. According to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, he is a natural born citizen of the United States.

Also, all military bases and embassies outside the United States are recognized by the US as sovereign US territory. Any person born to a US citizen on such a premesis is considered a natural born citizen. According to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, John Sidney McCain III is a natural born citizen of the United States.

I hope this dispels any internet mythology regarding the citizenship of the 2 major candidates.

[Banned]

So, you're saying Republicans don't NEED experience, but Dems do? And you want to point out that Obama has a Kenyan birth certificate... you DO know that McCain was not born in the U.S., right? Panama was a protectorate (Manifest Destiny... we just took over) at the time, now it's independent.
Sounds like the GOP party line, Joe.------->JMS

Where or where in my post did I say Palin was experienced? You are putting words into your mind. She is just another republican just like McCain. Neither of these candidates are experienced nor deserve to become President.

Vote for less governmental regulations, even on big oil, less taxes, less spending and Liberty.

Vote for Ron Paul.