DRUMMERS, I need a little help from you (updated 7/27)

[Hawk]

Thank you John !

Yeah, I have used those, just a different brand. Gauger (spelling) invented those, as soon as the patent was up, everyone started making them. They do work well. But changing heads could be a pain sometimes with them. I want something that will not touch the tension rods.

I'm hoping (fingers crossed) that what I have will surpass those mounts. That's why I'm still in the prototype testing stage.

Missed you Sunday John. Clint did an excellent presentation. I hope he gets it on you tube. Maybe I'll see you at the next one.

[CCdrums]

Hawk,
Here is a link to our song "Battleground" recorded from the TV show "Rock and Roll Review" in 1988. Check out the snare sound. It's a Ludwig 6.5x14 Hammered bronze snare, die cast hoops, coated emperor on top, ambassador snare side. I had a very thin strip of duct tape about 2" long and 1" wide kinked in the middle attached to the head real close to the rim. That's it. let me know what you think. I thought it was pretty powerful for an on the fly recording. You may have to click the play button twice once you get to the site. Thanks.

http://boomp3.com/listen/bz4xy4wez_s/ba ... rnr-review

[Hawk]

Hawk,
Here is a link to our song "Battleground" recorded from the TV show "Rock and Roll Review" in 1988. Check out the snare sound. It's a Ludwig 6.5x14 Hammered bronze snare, die cast hoops, coated emperor on top, ambassador snare side. I had a very thin strip of duct tape about 2" long and 1" wide kinked in the middle attached to the head real close to the rim. That's it. let me know what you think. I thought it was pretty powerful for an on the fly recording. You may have to click the play button twice once you get to the site. Thanks.

http://boomp3.com/listen/bz4xy4wez_s/ba ... rnr-review

Nice Clint. I think we could have a "snare day" sometime. Everyone bring a snare and discuss what we look for from a snare drum.

[CCdrums]

Nice Clint. I think we could have a "snare day" sometime. Everyone bring a snare and discuss what we look for from a snare drum.

That would be cool Hawk. I have an S-hoop on my snare. Have you heard of those? It's ingenious and really cool. Here's a link.

http://www.bigbangdist.com/shoop.htm

It really cleaned up my snare sound, fattened up my cross stick sound and would protect the bearing edge if it were wooden. I really like it.

[homerski]

Thank you John !

Yeah, I have used those, just a different brand. Gauger (spelling) invented those, as soon as the patent was up, everyone started making them. They do work well. But changing heads could be a pain sometimes with them. I want something that will not touch the tension rods.

I'm hoping (fingers crossed) that what I have will surpass those mounts. That's why I'm still in the prototype testing stage.

Missed you Sunday John. Clint did an excellent presentation. I hope he gets it on you tube. Maybe I'll see you at the next one.

Yeah, I really wanted to make it, but I had to attend my nephew's wedding in Pittsburgh.

I too am anxious to see Clint's video. I sure could use it Right NOW. I'm about to take apart my kit, clean and wax and lubricate, and then reassemble and tune the drums.

I've been using Evans hydraulic heads and Remo Muffl's, because of the close miking and awesome sound system and engineer that we have. But I don't get much aural feedback from my drums. So I'm gonna lose the muffl's and try to get some tone from my toms.

Clint; Any opinion (or different technique) when using hydraulic heads?

John H.

[CCdrums]

John,
Well...as far as the hydraulic heads go, it's funny you mention them because in the video, I refer to them as the heads that no one uses! (no offense) I've picked alot of brains over the years, some of which have been well known, successful drummers, and have gotten alot of feedback and tips on tuning drums, getting sounds, choosing heads...that sort of thing. No one I spoke with, including top professionals and sound techs, ever use Evans hydraulic heads.

The name of the game with all of these guys is tone, resonance and volume from their toms, even in close miked situations. I follow the same line of thinking with my drums, and I couldn't imagine playing hydraulic heads PLUS muffles...wow. Not that it's wrong, if it works for you, that's fine, it's just totally oposite of what I do and what I've read about and been told.

With that being said, I wouldn't do anything differently in tuning the drums. Just make sure that the pitch at each lug point on the head is the same and that the drum is tuned in that sweet spot where the drum will resonate and produce a nice rich tone. I would tune the bottom head to the same pitch or slightly higher to control the amount of sustain you get, especially on the floor toms. Just use your ears and try to get the best sound that the drums are capable of producing.

I'm sure you know all this stuff and I don't mean to talk down to you about it in any way. I'm just relating what I've learned about it and giving feedback based on years of getting great drum sounds for not only myself, but many other drummers, including a few of those well known guys!

[Hawk]

I've heard of the S hoops but I haven't heard any yet. I'd like to try a pair some time. Would they be the same as Slingerland Stick Saver Hoops ?

Played Harolds drums last night. I thought you were talking about Pearl Opti-Mounts . Harold's just have the mount bolted right on to the shell. I didn't have to try the test because I'm sure they will open up a great deal with a better mounting system.

The small tom had the ISS mount, which isn't very good for resonance either. Even with the pinstripes, they will all resonate better with an upgraded mounting system.

Nice tunings ! I LOVED the snare ! It looks like you will have a big impact on area drummers .

[CCdrums]

I've heard of the S hoops but I haven't heard any yet. I'd like to try a pair some time. Would they be the same as Slingerland Stick Saver Hoops ?

Played Harolds drums last night. I thought you were talking about Pearl Opti-Mounts . Harold's just have the mount bolted right on to the shell. I didn't have to try the test because I'm sure they will open up a great deal with a better mounting system.

The small tom had the ISS mount, which isn't very good for resonance either. Even with the pinstripes, they will all resonate better with an upgraded mounting system.

Nice tunings ! I LOVED the snare ! It looks like you will have a big impact on area drummers .

The small tom with the I.S.S. mount was what I was referring to. I've never seen the stick saver hoops, so I'm not sure how they would compare with the S-hoop.

I'm really intrigued about the possibilities of your mounting system and that it could possibly increase the resonance on my kit. My kit sounds great, and Yamaha has kind of a snobby attitude about their Y.E.S.S. mounting system, saying there is no need for R.I.M.S. mounts or anything else, their system delivers maximum resonance. I would like to see if that's true. I'm all about getting as much resonance and volume from my toms as possible, so if your mounting system will do that, I'm all for it.

Glad you liked the tuning of Harold's kit. Pretty decent drums for what he paid for them. He still has another bass drum and 3 toms that he keeps in his back room that go with that kit! I hope the impact I have on area drummers is a positive one. Thanks for the feedback and let me know if you have a prototype mounting system I could test. Thanks Hawk!

[Hawk]

The Yamaha YESS mount was what I used with my very first, very crude prototype. I have YESS mounts. The crude prototype improved the YESS mount resonance.

[CCdrums]

The Yamaha YESS mount was what I used with my very first, very crude prototype. I have YESS mounts. The crude prototype improved the YESS mount resonance.

Cool, I'm anxious to see it. It's hard to imgine these drums sounding much better.

[Hawk]

I could use a few volunteers.

I should have about six units available next week. I would like a few of you to try them and give me some feedback, if you would please. What you like and what you don't like.

Gigging one would be ideal, but not completely necessary. But it would be a chance to evaluate it in different rooms / venues.

I have not worked out a rim mounting system yet.

You will need to take apart your drum and remove the mount / bracket.
The device will attach (with a universal system) to your drum with the same holes as your mount / bracket.

Your mount / bracket will then attach to the device. Everything else will be the same for you.

Thanks !
Bill

[Hawk]

I picked up 8 of the devices that WILL improve your tom resonance. They are of a universal design that should fit most of your tom mount configurations.

Thank you Paul for hooking me up ! And thanks to the guys at West Branch Materials Co. !

I did something yesterday that I was originally, totally against. I drilled four holes into a tom that I had built, to attach a mount. I really wanted to do rim mounting, but I had to test the device by mounting it to a shell, because it will be an after market retro fit item.

It works !

There is virtually NO difference if the tom is played while mounted vs. holding it in my hand by the rim. I had been using this tom with a rims mount (like the Gauger mount). It actually sounds mush better with the new mount than it did with the rims mount.

Am I smart ? No way, just plain lucky.

Would anyone be interested in a demonstration ?

Perhaps we could get together at Ford Music Store. It will only take a short time. I will bring some along and we can talk about mounting it to your toms for a free test drive - it really is quite easy to do.

I thank you guys so much for your imput.
Bill

[CCdrums]

I picked up 8 of the devices that WILL improve your tom resonance. They are of a universal design that should fit most of your tom mount configurations.

Thank you Paul for hooking me up ! And thanks to the guys at West Branch Materials Co. !

I did something yesterday that I was originally, totally against. I drilled four holes into a tom that I had built, to attach a mount. I really wanted to do rim mounting, but I had to test the device by mounting it to a shell, because it will be an after market retro fit item.

It works !

There is virtually NO difference if the tom is played while mounted vs. holding it in my hand by the rim. I had been using this tom with a rims mount (like the Gauger mount). It actually sounds mush better with the new mount than it did with the rims mount.

Am I smart ? No way, just plain lucky.

Would anyone be interested in a demonstration ?

Perhaps we could get together at Ford Music Store. It will only take a short time. I will bring some along and we can talk about mounting it to your toms for a free test drive - it really is quite easy to do.

I thank you guys so much for your imput.
Bill

Yea Bill, I'm in. I'd like to see it and test it out on my drum. I could bring it with me and test it on the spot right there. I don't have to drill holes though right? Let me know.

[Hawk]

I picked up 8 of the devices that WILL improve your tom resonance. They are of a universal design that should fit most of your tom mount configurations.

Thank you Paul for hooking me up ! And thanks to the guys at West Branch Materials Co. !

I did something yesterday that I was originally, totally against. I drilled four holes into a tom that I had built, to attach a mount. I really wanted to do rim mounting, but I had to test the device by mounting it to a shell, because it will be an after market retro fit item.

It works !

There is virtually NO difference if the tom is played while mounted vs. holding it in my hand by the rim. I had been using this tom with a rims mount (like the Gauger mount). It actually sounds mush better with the new mount than it did with the rims mount.

Am I smart ? No way, just plain lucky.

Would anyone be interested in a demonstration ?

Perhaps we could get together at Ford Music Store. It will only take a short time. I will bring some along and we can talk about mounting it to your toms for a free test drive - it really is quite easy to do.

I thank you guys so much for your imput.
Bill

Yea Bill, I'm in. I'd like to see it and test it out on my drum. I could bring it with me and test it on the spot right there. I don't have to drill holes though right? Let me know.

Good question.

No, no one has to drill any holes. I had to drill my shell because it didn't have any shell mount. I had only used a rims mount on it.

We should be able to use only the existing holes where your tom is already mounted, no matter what brand it is.

I have some Yamaha Stage Custom toms with YESS mounts. I will put one of my mounts on it. Then I can show you when we get together.

Thanks Clint.

[HurricaneBob]

I would love to try it Bill, i used to have rims on my old kit.
The mounts i have now could benefit alot from this, keep me informed.

Thanks

Maybe you missed my post Bill.

[CCdrums]

I have some Yamaha Stage Custom toms with YESS mounts. I will put one of my mounts on it. Then I can show you when we get together.

Thanks Clint.

Sure thing, just PM me or email me and let me know when you want to get together.

[Hawk]

I would love to try it Bill, i used to have rims on my old kit.
The mounts i have now could benefit alot from this, keep me informed.

Thanks

Maybe you missed my post Bill.

Thanks Bob. I do remember. I'd like to get together with some / any of you who are interested and show you how it works. It's really incredibly simple.

[nightcrawler_steve]

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[Hawk]

Hi Bill,

I would be willing to try it out for you. Im going to be gigging pretty heavily with the new band I joined starting this coming weekend. I will even be in Altoona Saturday night at 4Ds. Maybe we could meet up there?

Let me know....happy to help.

~S

Thanks Steve. I'm sending a PM.

[Hawk]

Bobby and Clint. If you are interested maybe we can get together at Fords Saturday 8/9 or Sunday 8/10 in the afternoon ?
What ever works for you.

Any one else is welcome to come as well.

Thanks Guys.

[Chuxema]

I'd be down for testing it out for you.
Anything to help some one trying to help everyone!

[Hawk]

I'd be down for testing it out for you.
Anything to help some one trying to help everyone!

Thanks ! I hads eight made. Night-crayler-steve has three. CCdrums is meeting me over at Ford Music Store Saturday 8/9. I know he'll try at least one. I'd like him to try a couple. You're welcome to stop in.

Hurricane will try a couple for me as well. I'm using one on a four piece kit right now.

What knid of a kit do you have ?

Thanks
Bill

[CCdrums]

Hawk,
What is the capability of these mounts to work on floor toms? Anything?

[Chuxema]

What kind of a kit do you have ?

That is a difficult question.
It's a frankensteiner. Part
1960's Olympic, Slingerland,
Royce, and probably some other
stuff that I don't even know about.

It ain't pretty but it get the job done.

[Hawk]

Hawk,
What is the capability of these mounts to work on floor toms? Anything?

I've been thinking about it, but haven't experimented with it yet.