Who wouldn't you do a benefit for?

[whitedevilone]

I don't support NAMBLA

The American Civil Liberty Union or the ACLU.Don't let the name fool you.This group of Communist have done everything in their power to undermine the true values of America.One only needs to look to their probono support and defense of NAMBLA and that's just the tip of the iceberg.Do a little open minded research on this group and if it doesn't burn your fuckin ass you're out of touch.

[DirtySanchez]

Cool responses everyone! So since we're changing the rules I'll respond without getting too fired up. It does amaze me that someone can be so passionate about an animal. I just don't get attached. Don't get me wrong I love my american Bulldog, but if she got seriously injured iwould do anything to save her, but I wouldn't think twice about putting her down myself. (I once paid 150 bux to get a tumor removed from my exes pet fucking rat)

I am happy when people stick up for what they believe in, and respect everyone for speaking their minds. but yeah the humane society are full of it. They def. kill animals that have nothing wrong with them, and then incinerate them. They spend money that could be used to care for these animals to pay for lobbyists to fight hunters. Whatever, just seems sorta fucked up to me. Shouldn't they care more about domesticated animals that are pets not someones potential meal?

Anybody here who considers themselves an animal lover and buys their meat at the grocery store......You may want to look into commercial farming practices lol. Of course if you don't see it- .

Witchhunt- What if that decision weren't just any human but your own child, would the human still die? (I'm serious, not starting shit, I wanna know) I mean it's kinda cool that animals mean that much to you, but I'm having trouble coming to grips with that one.

Hurricane- If we had to chase deer/bear around with knives, could you imagine how many JP would hit with his car? We'd have to do a much bigger benefit than what we just did. Now I have to go get a tissue, That Sarah Mcglaghlan commercial just came on. ***softly sings- In THe Arms Of an Angel *** then I'm grabbin a burger.

[DirtySanchez]

I don't support NAMBLA

The American Civil Liberty Union or the ACLU.Don't let the name fool you.This group of Communist have done everything in their power to undermine the true values of America.One only needs to look to their probono support and defense of NAMBLA and that's just the tip of the iceberg.Do a little open minded research on this group and if it doesn't burn your fuckin ass you're out of touch.

I do want to look into this. I've heard some crazy shit about the ACLU.

Thanks for using the thread as I intended, to make people aware that they may be supporting things they don't really want to.

My grandparents donated thousands of dollars in cash/food/supplies to the Humane Society for years, and My pap is a big time hunter. I never had the heart to tell him though. It really made my grandma happy to be doing something helpful, so I was willingly a hypocrite, but you know what I've learned as I've gotten older? You gotta pick your battles.

[BDR]

Sometimes, when I see a cute, little kitten, I like to stomp on its head with combat boots on until it stops making that "squishy" sound.

r:>)

[DirtySanchez]

Sometimes, when I see a cute, little kitten, I like to stomp on its head with combat boots on until it stops making that "squishy" sound.

r:>)

haha. That reminds me. My pap, while making his weekly donation to the Humane society, had a bumper sticker on his truck that said, "So many Cats, So Few Recipes" lol.

I hope I roll like my pap when I get old. Coolest old dude, EVER!!!

[BDR]

Old dudes kick ass. The funny thing is that he was probably aware of the irony and rolled with it.

r:>)

[nightcrawler_steve]

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[DirtySanchez]

Well, I doubt I'm gonna change anybodies beliefs, nor do I really have the energy to try. Personally when I put together a benefit it's for an individual and all money goes right to one beneficiary. My mom has a non-profit group and I've never done a benefit for it let alone any other BIG CORPORATION. I read the benefits section and yes it reminded me of why I don't like the cause. I never once stated that other people should not do it and actually applaud people for doing anything for a cause they believe in. I didn't post anything in the dudes thread. I just thought it would be a good topic to discuss and learn if people really look into the things they support. It seems to have spurred some good discussion with many people saying they do; in fact know, and support what the humane society does. In all actuality I'd welcome anyone to ask me about/ inform me of anything that I'm doing a benefit for that might make me question the beneficiary being worthy of my effort or contradictory of my beliefs. To me that is keeping it as REAL as possible. The REALITY is that they'll take that couple hundred-thousand bucks and give it to some lobbyist to take a few politicians out to dinner so we can keep pump shotguns plugged to a three shell capacity, and still euthanize the same amount of puppies next friday. Thats keepin it real. My intention wasn't to offend. It was to make people think, sorry if those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[DirtySanchez]

Looking into this further, I've found out that The Central PA Humane Society Has nothing to do with and is not affiliated with the Humane Society of The United States (HSUS).

HSUS- is a corporation who does not even run one kennel/shelter in the country. All monies goes to animal rights/anti-hunting causes.

CPHS- All monies go to the locally owned shelter to help domestic house pets find a home.

If anybody donates to the "Humane Society" make sure you know which one you're supporting.

If I would not have made this thread and you guys didn't make me think I always would have associated the two as one "Society".

How did nobody on this board Know this? This is exactly why I look into any "Benefit" before wanting to become a part of it. Cuz even though I think I know everything, sometimes I don't.

[MeYatch]

HSUS- is a corporation who does not even run one kennel/shelter in the country. All monies goes to animal rights/anti-hunting causes.

Really? They don't even distribute anything among the state level humane societies? I wonder how that works, they obviously must be affiliated in some way, or they both couldn't call themselves the Humane Society.

By the way, I take it you would support the benefit cause in question now?

[songsmith]

WORD!!!
I've personally worked with the Central PA Humane Society.
You all have my absolute word that they are an above-board organization who DOES NOT euthanize healthy animals. In fact, they are so well-run, they often take MANY animals from other shelters. They do provide euthanization to private individuals who wish to have a sick or old pet euthanized. They also dispose of dead animals by cremation. If you've ever lost a pet, you know how sad it can be, and how little you can do... I applaud these folks, trust them implicitly, and intend to support them any way possible.

As for the ACLU, most conservative-types get a bad taste in their mouths because the ACLU defends some bad people. However, civil liberties MUST be made available to EVERYONE. I do not support the Ku Klux Klan... but denying them their right to free speech is wrong. The far right's view is that if they don't like it, it's bad. Right and wrong is immaterial when it comes to freedom of speech. My right and your wrong are meaningless in the big picture. You can't abridge my freedom because you don't like what I'm saying. Other people's thoughts are off-limits to you... get over it.
Special note: Conservative talk-show host and GOP pivot-man, Sean Hannity lost his job at a college radio station in California. The ACLU got him his job back, then he left immediately, bad-mouthing the ACLU so he still had wingnut-cred. Real great guy, that one. Makes ya proud.---->JMS

[DrumAndDestroy]

a little humor for y'all

song-"freegan" band -bigwig

well i'd club a baby seal
but you know i won't ingest it
i'd tell my vegan girlfriend
"you know i wouldn't suggest it"
well all my shoes are leather
and i don't care whether or not
all the cute little animals wanna get shot

[mjb]

You gotta pick your battles.

keep that in mind when you have your child. ther isn't a more true statement! by the way brian, hows the mrs.?

i wouldn't do a benifit for my one neighbor.

i like animals. some i can kill without feeling bad, like snakes... i know for the most part they are harmless but i just don't want them around. killed three so far this year.

not a hunter, to lazy. but i think about whackin them so i don't have to buy meat. so.......

i have two dogs and a fish. when my dogs are old and suffering i'll have them put down. i won't spend thousands to keep them alive, but i couldn't take them out back and do it myself.....

[DirtySanchez]

HSUS- is a corporation who does not even run one kennel/shelter in the country. All monies goes to animal rights/anti-hunting causes.

Really? They don't even distribute anything among the state level humane societies? I wonder how that works, they obviously must be affiliated in some way, or they both couldn't call themselves the Humane Society.

By the way, I take it you would support the benefit cause in question now?

Check out this link: http://www.activistcash.com/organizatio ... fm/oid/136

Yes I'd support pets getting help.

Mike- The wife is doing fine. Her work keeps her on her feet too much and she swells up, but she'll be fine. We're going thursday to find out boy/girl?, I can't wait.

[MeYatch]

Very interesting article.

[whitedevilone]

WORD!!!











As for the ACLU, most conservative-types get a bad taste in their mouths because the ACLU defends some bad people. However, civil liberties MUST be made available to EVERYONE. I do not support the Ku Klux Klan... but denying them their right to free speech is wrong. The far right's view is that if they don't like it, it's bad. Right and wrong is immaterial when it comes to freedom of speech. My right and your wrong are meaningless in the big picture. You can't abridge my freedom because you don't like what I'm saying. Other people's thoughts are off-limits to you... get over it.
Special note: Conservative talk-show host and GOP pivot-man, Sean Hannity lost his job at a college radio station in California. The ACLU got him his job back, then he left immediately, bad-mouthing the ACLU so he still had wingnut-cred. Real great guy, that one. Makes ya proud.---->JMS

Sorry extending "Civil Liberities"to grown men Who wanna have sex with young boys seems a tad bit over the line does it not?
Sometimes a line has to be drawn.The Constitution was not to be pulled and pulled to inclued every freak's closed bedroom door and alley excursion.You have to know this.Right.
To find light in anything this group does always raises my eyebrow.
Please bro do you not Know the Hannity thing was put on?Come on.
This is a group that defends man on animal relations.....i'm not making this up....a man's right to fuck a horse.Kill the baby humans!!Kill the baby humans!!! But dammmmn don't that horse look fine!!!Yeah they do great things........

[witchhunt]

To reply to Sanchez...If I ever had to choose between my son's life or my dog's, obviously my son. That made me think though, and I had trouble coming up with 20 people I would choose over my dog. The way I look at it is that your pet will never fuck you over for a piece of the pie. Sure, they'll do things to piss you off, but not on purpose. Now I think the vast majority of humans would screw their fellow man, depending on the prize.
Now hunting. Do I hate people who hunt in a respectable manner? No. If a person wants to kill a deer cause it helps out with the groceries or if they just like venison, I have no problem with that. It's the assholes who slaughter deer in great numbers just to shoot that piss me off. Believe me, it happens a lot in Bedford county. And the ones who kill an animal just to hang it's head on their wall. I think they're pussies looking for some thread of artificial masculinity that they can show their buddies.

[Killjingle]

The way I look at it is that your pet will never fuck you over for a piece of the pie

We cant lump everyone into that category. I understand where u are coming from; and Im not saying that a human life is worth more than an animal....

but our legacy is our willingness to adapt.

Just do it the right way.

[bsaller]

I saw a post in the benefits section that got me thinking.
I know the Humane society does great things for pets, but I'd never support anything they do. The reason is because they are the Nations biggest anti-hunting activists. I don't believe in animal rights, I hunt, fish and eat meat. There were times as a kid, that all we had for dinner was wild game and vegetables we grew. We were working poor which meant we made too much money to get assistance and too poor to afford anything.

I hunt because I enjoy it, but I also eat what I kill. I also practice catch and release 99% of the time when I fish, but if I kill it I keep/eat it.

I didn't start this thread to turn into an anti vs pro argument.
I'd like to know if there are any causes you don't/won't support and why?

Please don't turn this into a hippy vs. redneck flame war.

I won't do a freebie (benefit) where a promoter stands to make money by me playing for free.

[songsmith]

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Sorry extending "Civil Liberities"to grown men Who wanna have sex with young boys seems a tad bit over the line does it not?
Sometimes a line has to be drawn.The Constitution was not to be pulled and pulled to inclued every freak's closed bedroom door and alley excursion.You have to know this.Right.
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Typical. You're excluding the difference between talking about having sex with young boys, and actually HAVING sex with young boys. I obviously do not support child molesters, but if you noticed, YOU actually wrote the phrase "having..." You seem to have a right to write that phrase, however bombastic and provocative. That's called a civil liberty.
You're right, sometimes a line has to be drawn... I reserve the right I was given, to say whatever I want. If it means we also have to listen to bad stuff, well that sucks but it's part of the whole Constitution and all, get used to it. Somebody has to defend it from people who can't believe I have the audacity to think differently.
As for Hannity, bro, look it up. Look up Hal Turner, too.
Also, the barnyard stuff? Really? I used to get that stuff in my freakin' e-mail folder back before spam filters. You're on the internet. You let that bother you? I didn't think you were so easily offended.---->JMS

[DirtySanchez]

I won't do a freebie (benefit) where a promoter stands to make money by me playing for free.

I agree 100% There are people out there that promote benefits for a living.

Witchhunt- I agree with you. I do have animals mounted on my walls, but they are more than trophies, they're memories. I can look at them and remember who I was with (some of those people are dead now), how old I was, how I felt that day. All I'm saying is I agree with everything you said. I work in a butcher shop all thru deer season and you def. see assholes that shoot'em up, sometimes to the point where they hardly get any meat back. It's fucking stupid. That's why I actually prefer to archery hunt and flyfish, it's a whole different class of people. Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those snooty, look down my nose people, I'll grab a shotgun, or a baitcaster if thats what NEEDS to be done, but i prefer more traditional means. I just got a new RECURVE bow, I think everything in the forest will be safe this year around me. And Yeah, people do suck for the most part.

[songsmith]

And for my next thread hijack:

I think if I shot archery, it'd probably be a recurve. There's just something so, I dunno, traditional about it. I know it's more of a challenge, especially for someone like me who has no experience, but it's like the difference between blasting in a big bass-boat with a 250hp motor and fish-video; and sliding up on some unsuspecting smallies in my kayak with an ultralight rod. Plus, I totally relate to Tred Barta's dorkitude.

I guess I never really did answer who I'd not do a benefit for. It'd be easier just to say who I would do a benefit for: kids, animals, family, older folks, friends, soldiers, disease and health causes, and disasters. I do, however, prefer not to support charities who throw lah-de-dah dinners and such, and gave up on the United Way when I attended a bunch of fetes and found it was just a way for rich people to mingle, network their businesses, and pat one another on the back, all with an open bar. Plus, the national director's salary was over 15 million ten years ago. It's a charity, supposedly. I support their member charities fully, but not United Way.------>JMS

[DirtySanchez]

And for my next thread hijack:

I think if I shot archery, it'd probably be a recurve. There's just something so, I dunno, traditional about it. I know it's more of a challenge, especially for someone like me who has no experience, but it's like the difference between blasting in a big bass-boat with a 250hp motor and fish-video; and sliding up on some unsuspecting smallies in my kayak with an ultralight rod. Plus, I totally relate to Tred Barta's dorkitude.

I guess I never really did answer who I'd not do a benefit for. It'd be easier just to say who I would do a benefit for: kids, animals, family, older folks, friends, soldiers, disease and health causes, and disasters. I do, however, prefer not to support charities who throw lah-de-dah dinners and such, and gave up on the United Way when I attended a bunch of fetes and found it was just a way for rich people to mingle, network their businesses, and pat one another on the back, all with an open bar. Plus, the national director's salary was over 15 million ten years ago. It's a charity, supposedly. I support their member charities fully, but not United Way.------>JMS

Tred Barta kicks ass!!!

[PanzerFaust]

I also won't risk crashing my car to save a bunny that runs out onto the highway.

What if that cute little bunny was Ms. March? hehe.....

I won't do a benefit for Mr. Kite

[Lisa]

Me personally...I'm backing way off of fundraisers....use to do them all the time for any cause that would come across my plate. I support the PSU Lift for Life because I actually benefited from the Kidney Cancer Organization while dealing with my aunt and now my mother's cancer. And I know other family members who will be turning to them as we have a genetic factor in our family that may cause it.

I have a personal non-profit that I want to start up when I have free time and that is to help establish funds so that others who have a history of genetic issues in their family history can receive funds to help pay for any genetic testing. Some of this testing ranges from $300 to $5000. Some insurances pay for it and some don't. If the insurance does pay for it, most places that do the test require payment up front and then you are responsible for submitting it to your insurance. I know a lot of my relatives who could benefit from knowing if they have our mutation or not. But they wont' get tested because they don't have the money up front. So if I had a foundation established that could keep the funds, qualify those that need, etc. I think I could help folks all over. But I need to have the time to do this and my Mom is my priority.

I'm done the American Cancer society a lot. I use to organize a lot of fundraisers because I don't have the cash to donate...I figured I'd help by getting others to do so. I just got burnt out trying. I'm hesitant to do any fundraisers that benefit one individual...unless its a kid. Kids pull at the heart.

I've ranted....going back to work.