TRUE AMERICAN HERO !!!!!

[Imgrimm01]

President William Jefferson Clinton A TRUE AMERICAN HERO !!!

[bassist_25]

Hey, Bobby.....

Were you at the Coalport gas station late Saturday/early Sunday morning?

[RobTheDrummer]

Ok, if your version on true american hero means selling nuclear secrets to chinese, sleezing up the white house, and handing us a terrorism problem as well as a diminishing economy....sure, he's a hero alright!

Hey, if you can give me some reasons that Clinton was a great american hero, then maybe I'll understand!

HA, I couldn't resist Bobby, you guys post this stuff to taunt me!

[byndrsn]

HA, I couldn't resist Bobby, you guys post this stuff to taunt me!

That is exactly the reason I did not respond to this garbage. I am not about to argue this subject anymore.

(Rob, did you notice when I posted about Michael Moore's distributor trying to get his "fictional movie" into middle eastern countries - the left on this forum had nothing to say!!)

[esa]

Willie Clinton is a joke. No more. No less.

Bobby, you need smacked. ::grins::

[Daxman]

Name one fairly recent President that wasn't a joke...And if you can, you're high!

[facingwest]

Something that I did like about Clinton is that he was trying to bring the defecit out of the red.

[str8h8]

Willie Clinton is a joke. No more. No less.

Then what the F is Dubyah...the punchline!?!

[Diavolo]

Imgrimm01's latest post just more fully illustrates my bandmate's cluelessness (or certainly his desire to incite the more reasonable posters on this board). You say Bill Clinton is a great American hero. What's next? Adolph Hitler was the world's greatest humanitarian!?!? Putting aside the issue of his sex life, Bill Clinton is a very savvy politician but during his time in office he was paralyzed by political opinion polls and was unable to get much done. In his first two years as president his party controlled both houses of Congress yet he passed no major legislation (nothing on health care, taxes, etc). His transition to the White House was one of the most botched in history. Clinton's often given credit for the booming economy. Frankly, presidents have little impact on the economy. Tax policy is the only way to impact the economy and changes in tax law have a small impact at best. To say Clinton's record of inaction is heroic has to be a joke, right?

[lonewolf]

President William Jefferson Clinton A TRUE AMERICAN HERO !!!

Um, OK. What did he do to earn this lofty title? I have been asking that question to Clinton supporters for years and nobody can give me a specific answer.

In all fairness, I have searched for an executive order, a piece of proposed legislation, a prosecution... any kind of presidential act that would credit Clinton for anything more that being a minority party executive who watched the opposing party embark on a legislative revolution.

Don't tell me he balanced the budget...congress did that. I would like to know specifically what legislation he proposed that was passed or one executive order that resulted in a balanced budget. You won't find one.

Don't tell me he orchestrated an economic boom in the 90s...wall street did that. The economic boom of the 90s was driven by massive technology spending, not government. The .com stock bubble that fueled the last 3 years of the boom was created by individuals' IRA and 401K money that was freed up for investment. Smart money on wall street saw all those billions of dollars and devised a way to procure it from an unsuspecting public. They popularized the .com IPO and convinced the public to simply hand their IRAs and 401Ks over to them. What was left of that money went to assetless .com companies that created an abundance of high-paying, but short-lived IT jobs. The jobs only lasted as long as the IRA/401K money. The bubble burst while Mr. Clinton was still in office and Mr. Bush inherited a "falling knife", but nobody ever acknowledge's that.

I would like to know specifically what legislation he proposed that was passed or one executive order that resulted in an economic boom. You won't find one. I do know that more scrutiny by the attorney general and the SEC under Clinton could possibly have nipped the .com, worldcom and enron scandals in the bud.

I'll tell ya what though: Anybody who has good stories about indoor/outdoor carpet burns in the back of their pickup truck is OK in my book.

[Sinman]

Igrimm, i see your post here as sarcastic, to a point. Is this true?
If not, I would really love a summary of what you think of the Clinton book, My Life.
Though I love to read, mostly on the mathematics of Blackjack, I cant give up my time to read 900+ pages about "your american hero"
Also, I was wondering if you seen FahRENHEIT 9/11 yet, and if so, what do you think?
I have a great documentary movie you need to see also. Probably more true than the movie 9/11. Its called Black Hawk Down, and see what your hero did to our men. This is a great movie on the demise of our great american hero, Clinton.
Oh wait, there is that time where he did lie under federal court oath and his penalty was 1 year suspension from practicing law.
I tell you this, if that was one of us low-lifes, we would be doing 10-20 years.
Now i wont comment on the oval office activity, because when you can get head, take it wherever you can.lololol
Wait, then there was the USS Cole, during peace time, when it was attacked by terrorists, and our great american hero, did nothing.
oh wait, there's still more, the bombing in the world trade tower basement, and your american hero did nothing.
If you can remember, Clinton went after enemies like Microsoft, because Microsoft was making too much money, and was 'monopolizing' the market, or going after real threats like the people in Waco, Texas or the little cuban boy in Florida.

[bassist_25]

As far as not commenting on Michael Moore - hey, if that's true, then he should be tried for treason. What more is there to say about that? I've always said that Moore does more to hurt the left agenda than help it; just like how Anne Coulter does more to hurt the right agenda.

But really, when it comes to political threads, all I have to do is look at who posted in it, and already know what they are going to say without even reading their post. Either way, most of it isn't objective anyways. It's not a discussion of facts; it's an attack on how the other side of the coin is "wrong". Peoples' loyalty to a given label is so strong, they'll ignore the facts and distort reality just to prove that their ideology is "correct". I guess George Orwell was right when he spoke about doublethink - people will hold two contridicting views as long as it's convient for them. Personally, if it were me, I would solve these arguments by making people box George Foreman for 10 rounds. If you're still standing after that, then your opinion will be hailed as a maxim.

BTW, Bobby you never answered my question. I saw a guy there that looked a lot like you, but I wasn't sure if it was you or not.

[WearePennState]

Klinton had nothing, I mean nothing, (did I say nothing) to do with reducing the deficit. He just raised taxes and used false figures. The economy prospers in this country in spite of the government, not because of it..........the best thing for the economy is for the federal govermnent to leave it alone..........or better yet cut taxes!!

[lonewolf]

Peoples' loyalty to a given label is so strong, they'll ignore the facts and distort reality just to prove that their ideology is "correct".

That was the point of my post. I hear about all the great things that Clinton did, but when you look at the facts, he just happened to be president during the 90s. You'll hear an economist say that he had a "strong-dollar" policy, but when you look, he had no "dollar" policy at all. Great. That's what I like, free-market economics. It just happened that conditions during the 90s were advantageous to the dollar, so it remained strong.

In writing this post, I suddenly realized that William Jefferson Clinton did exactly what I want a president to do for the economy during good economic times: NOTHING. Good job Bill!

[Imgrimm01]

Yes Sin ... I am reading the book I'm about 1/2 way through and I'm enjoying it very much. And yes I have seen Farenheit 911 Sat. night & then Mon. night as well and I will prob. see it again this Sat. as part of a double header Spidey 2 then farenheit. I know you will all have a ball attacking me on this BUT so be it , all I gotta say is instead of assuming atleast see the movie .Do I think you'll become anti Bush? Of coarse not BUT what harm can there be in seeing the thing ? I bet you'll all have an answer to that too. So Go on now let it fly .. I'm big and strong I can take it.

[byndrsn]

Yes Sin ... I am reading the book I'm about 1/2 way through and I'm enjoying it very much. And yes I have seen Farenheit 911 Sat. night & then Mon. night as well and I will prob. see it again this Sat. as part of a double header Spidey 2 then farenheit. I know you will all have a ball attacking me on this BUT so be it , all I gotta say is instead of assuming atleast see the movie .Do I think you'll become anti Bush? Of coarse not BUT what harm can there be in seeing the thing ? I bet you'll all have an answer to that too. So Go on now let it fly .. I'm big and strong I can take it.

I would see the movie just to see another perspective even though I know that a lot of the content was taken out of context. The reason I refuse to go see it: I will not put money into Mr. Moores pocket. I feel he is a low life, a liar and damn close to a traitor and I will never contribute a penny to that.

Just out of curiosity - will you read the book that is coming out called "Michael Moore is a big fat stupid white man"?
It will contain things like:

• How Moore pulls off a "man of the people" image so at odds with his lifestyle as a fabulously wealthy Manhattanite

• Moore's upper-middle-class origins: how this self-described son of factory workers from Flint, Michigan was anything but

• Why Moore shows the greatest disdain for that which he actually is: "a very rich, pasty white American male"

• Why Warner Brothers, the distributor of Moore's first film, Roger & Me, was forced to pay legal damages to a man portrayed by Moore in a false light

• Why Moore's Oscar-winning anti-gun-rights documentary, Bowling for Columbine, is "as manipulative as totalitarian propaganda"

• How, in Columbine, Moore made Charlton Heston -- once a leader of the civil rights movement, a personal friend of Martin Luther King, and a regular guest speaker for the Congress of Racial Equality -- come across as a gun-crazy racist, all by distorting the evidence and "creative" editing

• Moore the Prophet: how he has fared in some of his high-profile predictions, such as his 2002 declaration that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il was about to have "a change of heart"

• Reported in full: Moore's hateful and racist (anti-white) remarks while on a speaking tour in England just after 9/11

• The hilarious story behind Moore's grandstanding at the Academy Awards -- at which he was loudly booed, to his evident surprise

• How Moore bends the truth to fit his predetermined thesis, creating a false impression for a wide audience that takes in his message

• How Moore's career and public persona fit the textbooks definition of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, pervading his works with a truly pathological combination of overwhelming egotism and self-loathing


I'm just curious. It may not make you see Michael Moore any differently - but what could it hurt?

Urbs

[Imgrimm01]

I will absolutely read the book, Really I will I also hear there is a movie coming out that will supposidly show us some more about Michael Moore and I'm very excited to see that as well you see despite what alot of you believe I am not one sided as I have said before I look at all the facts and then decide for myself what I believe to be right. and as far as me not buying a book or seeing a movie on the basis of not supporting someone I don't like ... Dude that seems shallow to me, if there is information out there I want to know it ! I mean i spend $$ every month on things I dont like BUT I need UTILITY COMPANIES !!

[lonewolf]

And yes I have seen Farenheit 911 Sat. night & then Mon. night as well and I will prob. see it again this Sat. as part of a double header Spidey 2 then farenheit.

Such a waste of valuable time & resources. Saturday night at the wanna-be documentary?

After having seen "Bowling for Columbine", I put Michael Moore movies in a select club with the likes of Woody Allen and Meryl Streep. If I can stay awake, I'll watch it when it gets on Cinemax or HBO.

[songsmith]

I second that. It's not just political agenda movies, either. I generally see
movies in the theater just for the big-screen experience, with the THX and CGI wow-factor. Spark a fat bone in the parking lot, get the super-size popcorn and just sit there and grin for the next 2 hours. Mikey Moore... he'd have the same impact on a small screen, and I don't think paying to see propaganda makes any sense, which is why I didn't see The Passion of the Christ, either. These movies will be out on DVD soon enough.
From the movies I've seen so far from MM, it appears that like our local Rev. Gary Dahl, he seriously grooves on the sound of his own voice. Bowling For Columbine completely missed the point for me... like the incidents where Ozzy and Judas Priest were sued for inspiring teenagers to suicide, nobody wants to point at the kid's parents. How did 2 weirdo's store all that ordinance in their houses and nobody noticed? A gun presents the same amount of danger as the propane cylinders they meant to use... harmless unless picked up to be used as a weapon. Do we outlaw propane (and propane accessories, Hank)? I remember some f*cking whacko's bringing the greatest nation in Earth's history to it's knees with dollar-store cardboard cutters. You can still purchase those.
MM suffers from the illusion that he matters. This is an election year, and he is cashing in on a Democrat party that needs free face time, nothing more. The Republicans attack, the Dems attack, it all gets old really fast.------->JMS

[byndrsn]

I will absolutely read the book, Really I will I also hear there is a movie coming out that will supposidly show us some more about Michael Moore and I'm very excited to see that as well you see despite what alot of you believe I am not one sided as I have said before I look at all the facts and then decide for myself what I believe to be right. and as far as me not buying a book or seeing a movie on the basis of not supporting someone I don't like ... Dude that seems shallow to me, if there is information out there I want to know it ! I mean i spend $$ every month on things I dont like BUT I need UTILITY COMPANIES !!

Well, information is one thing. But I don't think Shallow is the way I would describe how I feel about viewing that movie. And, comparing utility companies and Michael Moore movies are like comparing apples and orangutans.

First, let me say that I won’t be reading the book about Michael Moore being a big fat stupid whatever. I too like to get information so I can make better educated decisions, but I don’t think that either of these mediums are going to provide me with enough “Factual” information. Neither will provide both sides of the story and both of them are only in it to show their own one-sided agenda. This movie and this book are to me, a complete waste of my time and hard earned money.

Let me put it another way: If I believe in (and love) local musical talent – I would be a hypocrite if I frequented establishments that did not support musicians especially if they only supported Disc Jocks or treated musicians poorly. And that is why I make every attempt not to go to certain bars whenever possible. It is the same with this movie – I can’t agree with this man, I can’t tolerate what he stands for and I truly believe he is a traitor, so why would I put MY money into his pocket. I really don’t believe that is being shallow.

I respect you because you are obviously well read and educated and you are willing to look at both sides of the issue. I think that is wonderful. But, at the same time, I cannot bring myself to take seriously any movie, book, talk show, newspaper article, etc. when it is so blatantly one-sided. I’m sure both the movie and the book make completely valid points and completely asinine points, but where do you draw the line and which points do you take into consideration and which ones do you disregard??

Urbs

[lonewolf]

if there is information out there I want to know it !

That's a good thing! The trouble today is where to get good information.

Mr. Moore specializes in the "shock" interview with loaded questions and endless editing of footage to get just the right sound bite for his purposes. He does not consider himself a journalist, nor does anybody else of any importance. He is NOT a good source of information.

I saw him in a 2002 interview with O'Reilly and he impressed me as a fast-talking smartass with nothing of any relevance or substance to say. A walking cliche....

[Imgrimm01]

Who is this mysterious DIAVOLO ???? I don't think I've seen you here before It's almost like you're afraid of computers and you just happened in to this forum by mistake , at any rate WELCOME MY FRIEND I'm always happy to have yet another FRIEND who will disagree with reason. And it seems like many of the others here reason plays no role in your politics.

Love Ya ,,,

[DMFJ03]

I like swords.

[Punkinhead]

Ok, Bill Clinton, true American Hero....here is what my brother in law, Sargeant in the Army has to say to that:

As the Commander In Chief of our military his act of purgery was a crime that would have had any of our men and women in the military not only kicked out but jailed. As the leader of the armed forces, he was to set an example for them to follow and by knowingly committing purgery and then going on national television to apologize, he not only embarassed himself and the country but the whole armed forces.

In the words of my brother in law: He deserves castrated and spit on...

[Imgrimm01]

HAIL CLINTON HAIL CLINTON HAIL CLINTON HAIL CLINTON

MY HERO COME SAVE THIS COUNTRY FROM THE EVIL DUBBYA !!!