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Hey guys/gals,
Just wanted your input on this. I have been recently diagnosed with a herniated disc in my spine that is pinching my sciatic nerve causing pain down my leg that can only be described as crippling. I can only stand for short periods of time and it takes forever to get out out a chair or a bed and for the last three weeks rather than cancel band bookings I've had to play while sitting on a stool. My Orthopedic Dr. has me scheduled to get a steriod shot in my spine but says it's a temporary fix for a permanant problem and that unless I have surgery (Discectomy) it will keep coming back as soon as the shot wears off. My question: Have any of you ever had (Or known someone who has had) this surgery? If so what was the outcome? Quite frankly, it scares the shit out of me to think of getting my back cut. But unfortunatley, it looks inevitable. :(
Any thoughts/input would be greatly appreciated.
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Have the surgery ASAP. I had the EXACT same thing. Best thing I ever did. I just wish I wouldn't have waited so long. I went thru months of chiropractors (useless) and special exercises, etc... It got to where I was going to work on crutches cause I couldn't stand long. Then feeling the pain shooting down my leg and across the small of my back even while asleep. :cry:

I had surgery at Altoona hospital, and I swear I coulda jogged outta the place if they would've let me. I felt better immediately! It was out-patient surgery too. I was in the hospital about a total of 6 hours. I had to stay in the recovery room for 3 of those. Dr. Osgood is the man!

I was scared too. The thought of someone cutting on my spine was a little frightening. I took it easy for a couple of days and I was back to my normal self. PAIN FREE! :D

I highly recommend Dr. Osgood and having the surgery.

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Had the same!..Dr. Osgood was great!!..I had a herniated L4 & 5 ? (been so long) came from work and 2 bad throws from a dirt bike..which I rode home after the accident on a hill climb. I went to several Drs. who finally sent me to him. He took one look at me and said, "Let me see you walk on your heels." when I did I couldn't keep my foot up...he said, "Foot drop!...herniated discs L4-5!"...I was amazed!..First dr acted like I was faking it to get out of work..said,"Well I'll give you 3 choices, Live with it, Do drugs rest of your life to cover the pain and make it worse, Or have surgery." I said sounds like only one choice!..He said, "What?? I gave you 3!"..So I went with the surgery. I am the type that won't go to a Dr or Dentist unless I can't take it anymore. Can't stand hospitals ect. I went in for the surgery and I looked down the hall from the rolling bed at everyone lined up that morning. Nurses coming in with coffee saying, "Boy we have them lined up today!" Dr. Osgood joked and talked to me the whole time...joking that he wasn't sure he should be doing this because he had a few drinks..LOL...He's awesome!...I had a spinal and stayed awake the whole time. ( I hate to be put under)...I was in for like 4 days tho but they spoil ya! One day in ICU. And they make ya walk that night. I was hoping they'd forget but this big nurse came in and had a smelling salt and said Let's go!!..She had to stop me and say thats enough. I woulda kept going...Am glad I did the surgery, You'd never know I had it done. Also they filmed mine and it was micro surgery, I have a very small scar. Don't worry, They do it everyday!
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I almost became a Vicadin junkie before the surgery. I was eating them like candy, to the point that they weren't having any effect anymore.
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Bag wrote:I almost became a Vicadin junkie before the surgery. I was eating them like candy, to the point that they weren't having any effect anymore.
I know what you mean! Vicadin, Percocets, Ativan. Just about the same as Smarties! I've popped so many pills lately that I should sound like a maraca when I walk! Bag & Bob, thanks for your input, I'm not sweating quite as much now! Oh yeah.... Bag, Thanks 4 coming out the other night! :D
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Get this taken care of imediately, I put up with the pain you are describing for about 4 years off and on dealing with chiropractors untill my L4/ L5 herniated so bad it ruptured the disc inbetween, (during a gig) when that happens it feels 100 times worse than what your dealing with now...think of a pissed off Satan ramming a red hot pitch fork into your ass :twisted: .. and the fluid leaking into your spine causes nerve damage which can take 2 years to regenerate. Believe me you do not want to deal with that. I have no more constant pain, but spotty numbness in my left leg and bottom of my foot still about 1 1/2 years since the Ozzman did the surgery. Do yourself a favor and don't hesitate.
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My mother was t-boned at an interesection while a yourg girl on a cell phone ran a red light. My mom had her back all messed up and spent more than a year getting the shorts and massage, etc. This basic first steps to "trying" to fix the problem. The steroid shots and a back brace were the last attempt to what we all knew was the final solution...back surgery. My mother's was experiencing the tingling numbness on her whol left side. After this continued...the decision was made...surgery. My mom had the same surgery and the same doctor as Mario Lemieux. Bone was scrapped, screws were placed, drains were placed, and a brace was fitted. After rehab, my mom now has feeling back where the tingling and numbness was. After more than a year, my mother has been able to return to her job of more than 20+ years. The shitty part of all this...my mother used all of her vacation, personal leave, etc. and her employer told her that she would have to start drawing from her retirement if she would miss anymore days...she was off work for over a year...IUP actually held my mother's position for her instead of finding a replacement...she was greatful for their loyality.

She had limited tort and could only get her medical bills paid and limited pay for lost work. That was just an extra blow to her on top of all the pain and missed work.

She still wears a back brace and always will, but it isn't a 24 hour thing like she went through before the surgery. She also has scars from top to bottom and side to side on her back...after hearing that, I opted not to view!
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My dad has battled back problems for years. He also had a herniated disc. He came home from work one day and fell in the kitchen door. Both his legs went completely numb. He couldn't walk or feel his legs. He had the surgery in Altoona, had the same doc as you guys have mentioned. He did have to spend a couple weeks in Healthsouth because he had lost feeling but after a couple weeks of rehab....he's as good as new. He is so happy that he did it. He suffered with the pain for years and almost had damage that could not be reversed. Definitely get the surgery.
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The bass player in my old band Rennis. (Big Steve) had the same surgery. He had it in Pittsburgh.
I remember while playing out he would kneel down because of the pain.
When he came out of surgery they asked him if he needed any pain meds and he said no. I have less pain now than I did right before surgery.
I would say go for it. Considering the results of everyone else.
I was able to catch my sciatica before I had any disc problems so some physical therapy worked for me. I also got out of construction and went back to school. Now I don't break my back a work and just a few stretches and regular exercise keeps me from having this problem again.
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Seeing this post is so weird!! I'm sitting on my computer chair with 1 ass cheeck on the seat and one off! I'm going through the same thing as we speak.

The pain down my left leg is the most horrible thing I've ever experienced, I can't sit, stand, lay on my side - everything hurts! We have yet to cancel a gig over it but I'm fearing the worst.

I started physical therapy but had to quit from the pain, now they want me to start "pain management" = (shots) but they can't even get me in til June. I can't live with the pain that long and I don't know what to do either. I'm nailin' back vicodin, soma's, predisone, and freakin' oxycontin like noone's business and doubling up too cause the shit don't work!

Let me know how you make out man, cause I'm living it with ya.
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I know it's HORRIBLE man! You can feel that leg pain 24/7, even while you sleep. IMO, physical therapy, shots and chiroprators are just delaying the inevitable...

My pills that were supposed to last a month, were lasting less than 2 weeks.

Ask your Dr. about going to Dr. Osgood in Altoona.
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Bad thing about the drugs is it covers the pain and you'll hurt yourself even more not knowing it. I remember having the date set for the operation and thinking..."Wait, I feel OK, I don't need to do this!"...and I turned one wrong way to pick something up and WHAM!!..I freaked and I would have let them cut me then, I was ready to go. I had to have the milagram(?) the first day (dye injection and the tilt table) and cut the next day. One thing to remember, Nothing they do is worse then the pain you have now. Healing takes alittle as in any cut. Sitting up and getting off the bed takes alittle time. But its typical.
:wink: One tip if you do beans. It magnifies the after effects. I couldn't wait to go home and have one. But when I did I could feel everything..where they cut, where they stitched and scrapped. It ruined the buzz!! Hold off on that awhile...LOL!!

Good Luck and Don't worry. You'll be amazed once its over how better you feel.
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My lower back "went out" 10 years ago or so now, when while properly kneeling down to get a saucepan from a cupboard, next thing I knew, I felt as if someone had stabbed me in my lower back. I couldn't walk for 3 days. I managed to crawl though, including to my sofa, where I lay flat on my back, straightening my spine while putting my legs up on the sofa, the only thing that seemed to give me a bit of relief. Three days later, I hobbled out the door and drove myself to my Dr., she sent me for tests and said I had a herniated disc pressing on the S1 nerve root, most likely due to arthritis of the lower back that's usually associated with an intestinal condition I have. I've had pain down either of my legs on occasion over the years since then, usually when I'm vacuuming, :) and in the last few months some minor Spring cleaning has majorly aggravated it and my lower back has again grabbed at me. None of that, for me, has compared to the constant pain from disc herniations in my neck. An MRI from last year states: Disc protrusion at the C6-7 level is impinging upon the cord. Left-sided foraminal compromise at the C5-6 and C6-7 levels could contribute to left upper extremity radiculopathy. Possible congenital (born with) osseous fusion of the right facet at the C3-4 level. The last one is something I was previously not aware of. My upper back has been in a constant state of muscle spasm for years, I've been down the nerve block route, and was recently told due to the time between needing them became less and less, I'm no longer a good candidate for them. Due to fears of becoming hooked, I've never taken anything stronger than Darvocet, and that was one prescription last year with no refills, which lasted several months. After someone gave me 1 last year, I know Vicodin does take the edge off for me for 6 hours or so. However, :lol: a good bit of beans were also involved...6 hours of simply taking the edge off is not enough to risk that nightmare. Although on occasion, I could sure use a little relief and a good night's sleep. Topamax (Dr. Lipitz gave that to me for BAD headaches 4 years ago.) let me down today and I had such a freakin head and neck ache most of the day, that I would definitely have taken a Vicodin if I had it! :oops: Imo though, for the most part, prescriptions for pain are a bleeping joke, only make you loopy and not care about the pain...they certainly don't take it away or help you to function any better. (Also, if the bottle says 'Do not drink alcohol.' PAY HEED! :lol: ) Ultracet, if anything in it works on the pain a tiny bit, I think it might be acetaminophen, not the ultram, at least not for me. Flexeril...I got more muscle relaxant releif recently for my lower back from good old Norflex. The only actual pain relief/muscle relaxant that's out there, unfortunately, isn't legal in PA for medicinal use. :wink: Does anyone know anybody who has had success/pain relief with neck fusion surgery (or the metal discs I first read about 4 years ago)? My landlady certainly can't call it a success, nor has she had much pain relief. I can't believe they still go in through the front of the neck, either. :shock: Over the years, I have gone the chiropractic and physical therapy until it hurt route. Included was traction, a foam collar and something called a tens unit. The technician told me they had never seen anyone be able to have it turned all the way up. The only thing I still use from all of that is a cervical pillow, exercises and stretching.




Btw (Sorry! :oops: 'Back' :) on the main topic.), I've heard of other kinds of shots for the lower back, wherein some kind of substance is injected in place of, in or around the disc or disc space. There's instant pain relief and improvement! From what I recall someone telling me about it when their elderly mother had it done, it's not merely a nerve block, either.
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Thanks Donna! And thanks to all for your helpful and insightful input.
I've decided to have the surgery. Hopefully they can do it very soon.
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I see the doc again today. There is no possible way I can put up with this shit until JUNE 6th. Hopefully they find something sooner!

Backlash, I know exactly what you're going through, I've blown through a months worth of pills in about 2 weeks too, the pain is non stop, 24/7 awful!

Good luck man, maybe I'll see ya on the cuttin' table!
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Thanks man! Best of luck to you as well! I just got back from gettin' a steroid shot. Hopefully it will help well enough to get me through till I can get the surgery scheduled.
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I'm living on morphine cause I won't have the surgery again. It worked for about 9 months and sent me back to the same work and 9 months later out again. Oh well thats me.
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Sorry I'm a little late on this thread. Truly, I'm sorry I didn't see it earlier. I woulda chimed in w/a quickness. I am what the docs consider "a professional back patient." I've had so many back issues and so many surgeries I can tell them what's going on, how long before I cut the shit out myself (if they don't do it first), what most likely is wrong and what most likely needs to be done. Down side is I am also considered very high risk (on their liability insurance). I.E., moderately skilled surgeons w/established practices usually will not touch me w/a ten foot pole. All the "rookies" want to hone their chops on me. So I am relegated and delegated to upper echelon doctors who other doctors aspire to be. That part is the up side I suppose, if their is one.

I had the sciatic nerve surgery back in 1984 (S1-L3). It turned out great. Another injury to the same area plus additional damage (S1-L4) in 1992. Same doctor, same basic surgery. Failed results. Not the docs fault. Not much to work with. In 1995 I finally could stand the pain no more (3 fookin years of it) and had an ortho in Florida do a 5 level fusion of the area (S1-L5 titanium rod fusion). While most would scream to have the rods removed w/in 18-24 months, I'm still sporting them. 2006 I was diagnosed w/a spinal cord tumor growing inside of the cord and attached to the cord's inner lining. Had it removed and another they found while snooping around in there on June of 2006.

The sciatic nerve pain you feel I feel every day and then some. That isn't so much because of all the surgeries. It is because the tumor damaged the cord and nerves and the surgery to remove them (cutting the cord open) causes more damage. I am saying this to make a point someone else touched on. If you don't have the surgery before X amount of damage is done to the nerves then those damaged nerves WILL take 2-3 years to regenerate. And there is NO guarantee they will be remotely close to what they were before they were damaged. Chances are there WILL be neurological deficits to deal w/for a lifetime. There is NO exact science to say how much or how long. Doc's will only speak in very general terms... "It SHOULD improve some in X amount of time."

After all the bullshit, meds, alcohol, back pain and surgeries I have endured, I'm still walking (though like a drunk at times-when i'm NOT drunk). So "Get Er Done!" And keep us posted on your progress. I trust you will do remarkably well overall.
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Donna, I have fusion but not that high up.

T@egetDrone, how are the titanium rods? Heard they were a lot better. I have steel Herrington rods that are about 21 years old.
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Mistress_DB wrote:Donna, I have fusion but not that high up.

T@egetDrone, how are the titanium rods? Heard they were a lot better. I have steel Herrington rods that are about 21 years old.
Is that from the harness strap for a pleasure swing? :oops: :lol:
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hahahaha I wish!
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Bag wrote:
Mistress_DB wrote:Donna, I have fusion but not that high up.

T@egetDrone, how are the titanium rods? Heard they were a lot better. I have steel Herrington rods that are about 21 years old.
Is that from the harness strap for a pleasure swing? :oops: :lol:
:lol: Is that an option???? :lol:
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Titanium is stronger than steel and can bend more w/o staying that way-More flexible. I insisted on it over surgical steel.

If Ida thought about it back then I woulda had eye hooks on the ends and had them stick out of the skin. Now that's a hookup for a teeter totter type sex slave swing right there. :D
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When I did transcription work, a lot of my cases I did were Workers' Compensation. In many instances the person involved had the same problem. And from what I gathered, the shots work somewhat and not all the time do they relieve all the pressure and pain even for a temporary fix. The back is very fragile in a sense and even the surgery isn't a sure thing.

I do hope you the best of luck with this though and hope that maybe my experiences were only covering the rare side of the instance.
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Shots are one thing. Injections are a bit different. Most of the time docs offer the option of cortesone (spell check) injections for their patients w/chronic low back pain due to sciatic nerve pressure/irritation. It isn't like getting a needle for a vaccination. It is actually a procedure. It is almost identical in nature to an epidural block women often accept to block pain during delivery. The main difference is, for low back pain, a steroid (cortesone) is injected at that area instead of a pain killer. The steroid is suppose to help reduce the swelling. But it can cause minor, moderate to severe side-effects. Not everyone is tolerant of the drug and as mentioned, no guarantees for positive results. If they do help, this procedure can be repeated as treatment for X amount of times (three i believe).

I've had the injections. I had a "moderate" reaction. I felt like Superman for about 3-4 hours after. Along w/the Dr. Feelgood syndrome came the massive aggression. I almost ripped the entire dash pad off the car on the way home. I woulda ate the fuckin thing if I didn't control my rage. Pretty much the same amount of success and roid rage I got (later) from Decadrone (pill form). After it wore off I felt like my legs had been beaten w/a baseball bat.

My opinion - The injections are a very temporary band-aid for a long-term problem. And that is if it even works for you. Looking back, I don't think the risks involved w/the procedure were worth the potential results. To be quite honest, my in-between (surgeries) way of coping w/the excruciating pain was 2 Vikitin, 1 Somas, 1 Ultram choked down w/about 3-5 Beam and Cokes. Beer would have to do in a pinch. I'm not advocating this in any way. It is extremely dangerous and to a great degree STUPID! I was younger, less wise, and in a shitload of constant pain.
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