MCCAIN ??

[Imgrimm01]

From Bill Maher.. but I AGREE !!!

Old soldiers never die. They get young soldiers killed. This week, John McCain said for the third time in two days that Iran, a Shiite stronghold, was training Al Qaeda, a militant Sunni organization. That the Hatfields of the Muslim world would be working with the McCoys, is so not true even Dick Cheney hasn't said it.

Now, the press, which loves McCain because he feeds them barbecue--dismissed this as just one of those senior moments --not to worry, he's only going to have his finger on the nuclear trigger.

But, it's not just a gaffe. It's what McCain really thinks. And therein lies the paradox of this campaign. McCain's strength is really his weakness. He's a warrior who's dumb about war.

Now, if you ever read The Art of War, chapter three of The Art of War says, "Know thy enemy." And John McCain plainly doesn't. He thinks the solution is our presence in the Middle East. No, the problem is our presence in the Middle East. That's why I don't care if John McCain is better than Bush on global warming or torture or campaign finance, because he's exactly the same as Bush on the war. They both don't get the same thing.

That, as long as we're setting up shop in the heart of the Arab world, we're not keeping America safer. Bin Laden goes ballistic over cartoons in Danish newspapers. And "Goober" and "Grandpa" want to put up a Hooters in Fallujah.

They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our fiefdom. Winning the war on terror comes down to this: what will make us safer from pissed-off Arab teenagers who are willing to die? There are a number of good answers to that question, but occupying their land for the next hundred years is not one of them.

Some people look at McCain and see a tough guy who's going to protect us from the Islamofascists. I look at him and see a walking Tom Clancy action figure who's going to get us all killed.

And yet a new poll shows that a majority of Americans believe John McCain is the candidate best qualified to answer when that red phone rings at three a.m. Because he'd be up anyway trying to pee.

Yes, 55% of Americans think it's McCain who should answer that phone, because they know John McCain is a warrior. He will not waver or hesitate. He will answer that phone and give the order that sends men to die. And it will turn out to be a recording asking him if he's happy with his mortgage.

[VENTGtr]

Yes, 55% of Americans think it's McCain who should answer that phone,...

Man, if 55% are THAT unbelievably stupid, we deserve what we get.
Granted, about that have proven to be completely stupid for 8 years, so...

[Wiggus]

If you look at the "views" statistic at the top of the threads page, 2.3 times more people on this board are interested in whether or not drugs should be legalized than in a thread about the next possible president of the free world.

And I'm not surprised.

Drugs: 146
McCain: 62

Replies: 25-2

[VENTGtr]

Though lapel pins seem to play a large part...

[Banned]

I don't think that he is the right person to lead our nation. unfortunately neither are the other two.

[DirtySanchez]

If you look at the "views" statistic at the top of the threads page, 2.3 times more people on this board are interested in whether or not drugs should be legalized than in a thread about the next possible president of the free world.

And I'm not surprised.

Drugs: 146
McCain: 62

Replies: 25-2

Yeah, cuz this is the first and only political thread on Rockpage. lol

This dead horse is beaten to an unrecognizable pulp.

[RobTheDrummer]

The problem with the middle east is that religion runs government.

[Banned]

I don't think that he is the right person to lead our nation. unfortunately neither are the other two.

+1

Did you hear Hillary say she would "obliterate" Iran. Wow.

[RobTheDrummer]

This election is really fucked anyway, we have three socialists running. The people really don't have any choice but to bend over and let the government commence the pounding.

[Hawk]

This election is really fucked anyway, we have three socialists running. The people really don't have any choice but to bend over and let the government commence the pounding.

Health Care is unaffordable. We need some sort of control.

Would you please provide a list of what socialist views each candidate brings to the table ?

[Hawk]

Then we can discuss the validity or necessity of each one.

[RobTheDrummer]

Government mandated health care is socialism. To mandate small businesses to pay for health care will hurt the economy. Do you think the government should tell businesses what they have to do, or be fined?

discuss.

[Hawk]

Government mandated health care is socialism. To mandate small businesses to pay for health care will hurt the economy. Do you think the government should tell businesses what they have to do, or be fined?

discuss.

I don't have an answer to bring heath care under control. Do you ?

Or do you like heath care the way it is ?

At least someone is trying.

The highways you drive on is pure socialism. Not all social ideas are bad.

Where's your list ?

[Banned]

This election is really fucked anyway, we have three socialists running. The people really don't have any choice but to bend over and let the government commence the pounding.

Health Care is unaffordable. We need some sort of control.

Would you please provide a list of what socialist views each candidate brings to the table ?

They all think more government programs are the answer to everything. That is statism, a form of socialism.

[Hawk]

This election is really fucked anyway, we have three socialists running. The people really don't have any choice but to bend over and let the government commence the pounding.

Health Care is unaffordable. We need some sort of control.

Would you please provide a list of what socialist views each candidate brings to the table ?

They all think more government programs are the answer to everything. That is statism, a form of socialism.

What would your solution to health care be ?

[Banned]

I just said it on the other post: Let Americans keep their hard earned money, get government out of health care, and we can all afford health care on the free market, the way it used to be when we were kids Bill.

[Hawk]

I just said it on the other post: Let Americans keep their hard earned money, get government out of health care, and we can all afford health care on the free market, the way it used to be when we were kids Bill.

Joe, we've been here before, and I don't plan on repeating myself. If we had more money to spend, inflation would soar, and we would be farther behind. Yeah, that's an opinion. But a valid one. Done.

[Banned]

I just said it on the other post: Let Americans keep their hard earned money, get government out of health care, and we can all afford health care on the free market, the way it used to be when we were kids Bill.

Joe, we've been here before, and I don't plan on repeating myself. If we had more money to spend, inflation would soar, and we would be farther behind. Yeah, that's an opinion. But a valid one. Done.

Bill if you don't want more of your own money to spend, you can give some to me.

[Hawk]

Bill if you don't want more of your own money to spend, you can give some to me.

Hey Joe, it's been fun carrying on this conversation via three threads.

I'm self employed, wouldn't that be the ultimate capitalist endeavor ?

I'd like to start my own company based on some patent pending drum designs I have. Capitalistic again.

Would you like to be a partner in my company ? I need some capitalistic backing.

Relative to our third thread, I've had a few beers too.

[VENTGtr]

I just said it on the other post: Let Americans
keep their hard earned money, get government out of health care, and
we can all afford health care on the free market, the way it used to be
when we were kids Bill.

In fact, the U.S. spends about 16% of its annual spending on healthcare as
it is. Nations with "Socialized" healthcare often spend less and have, yes,
way better, more effective systems.

The biggest obstacle to GETTING a good healthcare system here is people
not know ing what they're talking about and yammering how awful other
systems are. Newsflash! Canadian system is great, French system may
be even better, TAIWAN'S system is great and they spend about 8% of their
annual budget on it. Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, all have great systems
and healthier people.

Hillary's proposal (While I think there are better ones) is a big improvement
on what we have now and may be most similar to Japan's. ACTUALLY, they
don't consider theirs as "Socialized" at all (They also don't have big stigma
about the word). Matter of fact, more of their hospitals are privately owned
than ours. The one HUGE difference, though, is....they're Japan. They tend
to see it as manner of honour to do what's right. We tend to do what we can
get away with and how much money we can make doing it.

Social Security is Socialism, building and maintaining roads/infrastructure
is Socialism, the PRISON system is Socialism, Courts are Socialism, THE
MILITARY is Socialism.

We CAN'T all afford healthcare in a free market, and that should be obvious
since SO MANY DON'T HAVE IT. The idea of people, and their families,
losing their homes because they get sick in the richest country in the world
is freakish.

Oh, and CLEARLY those in Congress/the regime, etc. are okay with government
run healthcare. They all have it. Matter of fact, McCain has only gone a very
brief time in life without it.

[Hawk]

I just said it on the other post: Let Americans
keep their hard earned money, get government out of health care, and
we can all afford health care on the free market, the way it used to be
when we were kids Bill.

In fact, the U.S. spends about 16% of its annual spending on healthcare as
it is. Nations with "Socialized" healthcare often spend less and have, yes,
way better, more effective systems.

The biggest obstacle to GETTING a good healthcare system here is people
not know ing what they're talking about and yammering how awful other
systems are. Newsflash! Canadian system is great, French system may
be even better, TAIWAN'S system is great and they spend about 8% of their
annual budget on it. Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, all have great systems
and healthier people.

Hillary's proposal (While I think there are better ones) is a big improvement
on what we have now and may be most similar to Japan's. ACTUALLY, they
don't consider theirs as "Socialized" at all (They also don't have big stigma
about the word). Matter of fact, more of their hospitals are privately owned
than ours. The one HUGE difference, though, is....they're Japan. They tend
to see it as manner of honour to do what's right. We tend to do what we can
get away with and how much money we can make doing it.

Social Security is Socialism, building and maintaining roads/infrastructure
is Socialism, the PRISON system is Socialism, Courts are Socialism, THE
MILITARY is Socialism.

We CAN'T all afford healthcare in a free market, and that should be obvious
since SO MANY DON'T HAVE IT. The idea of people, and their families,
losing their homes because they get sick in the richest country in the world
is freakish.

Oh, and CLEARLY those in Congress/the regime, etc. are okay with government
run healthcare. They all have it. Matter of fact, McCain has only gone a very
brief time in life without it.

Nice.

[Lisa]

Dave,

From the kidney cancer email listserv that I'm on, a lot of people who need big medical help such as help with kidney cancer, a more rare type, can not get that help fast enough in the countries such as Canada and France. Its a huge topic. Seems that with their types of system, you need to rely on the government to give approval for each appointment and each treatment option. People are dying waiting for the red tape to go through the government. I know with my mom's case, we have to argue the point with insurance companies and spend much time on the phone finding help paying for her treatments. I couldn't imagine having to toss in a call to the government.

I'm all for programs like CHIPS that provides a way for families to have coverage for their children. You still get to make decisions regarding your children's doctors, etc.

I am not seeing where its too bad in this country. You know that any hospital can not refuse treatment to anyone that walks in their door. So if you don't have insurance, they still have to take care of you. Each hospital gives you information on ways that you can get assistance.

Its not perfect. No. I'll grant you that. But its not that bad either. I would like to see focus put towards providing insurance coverage based on income so that people can make decisions on their own treatments and what doctors they want to see. Don't make it across the board...why should I pay more than someone who makes the same amount of money but decides not to go with their employer's health benefits? But then again, I don't mind paying something for it so I have choices.

[Hawk]

I'm not necessarily for complete government control of the health industry. But we as a people need to have some control of affordable health care. And I believe that as the government's job is to protect us, they should be involved on our behalf.

[BDR]

If you look at the "views" statistic at the top of the threads page, 2.3 times more people on this board are interested in whether or not drugs should be legalized than in a thread about the next possible president of the free world.

And I'm not surprised.

Drugs: 146
McCain: 62

Replies: 25-2

Thing is, the drug thread is more of a political discussion, IMO because it deals with an actual issue. Personally for me, any discussion about "who ya gonna vote for?" amounts to "which yay-who do you hate the least?" because none of them will deliver to any degree of satisfaction.

r:>)

[Colton]

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