Obviously the economy, the war and terrorism are at the top. But let's not be complacent about it.
What would YOU do if you were president to solve the problems we face today ?
As dumb as this might sound, let's take a shot at letting the presidential candidates know what we think.
I'd like to print out some suggestions from Rockpage and mail it to each of the candidates. We may or may not get a response, but let's take a chance at being heard. I'd like to show those who a generally complacent that we can do something.
Open a discussion. Agree and disagree in a civil manner.
Biggest Problems Facing the USA Today ? Any Solutions ?
The economy.
We are borrowing more mone today than ever before. Russia, China and Kuwait own huge amounts of our debts. Like a Credit Card Company. they are getting nervous about our unending spending. If they were to pull the plug on our credit and stop lending us money, we are screwed. We would have nothing to run our country.
We have to stop spending on things we don't need. Stop Earmarks. Taxes have to be increased. WHAT ? Yes, specfically by the top 2 % of the country, who own about 40% of the wealth. The middle class just doesn't have any more to give and it has to come fro0m somewhere.
Get the monopoly of big oil under control.
We are borrowing more mone today than ever before. Russia, China and Kuwait own huge amounts of our debts. Like a Credit Card Company. they are getting nervous about our unending spending. If they were to pull the plug on our credit and stop lending us money, we are screwed. We would have nothing to run our country.
We have to stop spending on things we don't need. Stop Earmarks. Taxes have to be increased. WHAT ? Yes, specfically by the top 2 % of the country, who own about 40% of the wealth. The middle class just doesn't have any more to give and it has to come fro0m somewhere.
Get the monopoly of big oil under control.
The military.
As much as I hate to say this, we need to reinstate the draft. Our military is stretched so thin we are weaker now that we have ever been. Many Army vets who have put in their four years are being forced to put in more. It's in their contract. the fine print. It's not fair to these heroes who have already served their country faithfully.\
We also need to cut the cost of the private military companies we have to hire because we just don't have enough people in our military.
We need to take better care of our veterns.
As much as I hate to say this, we need to reinstate the draft. Our military is stretched so thin we are weaker now that we have ever been. Many Army vets who have put in their four years are being forced to put in more. It's in their contract. the fine print. It's not fair to these heroes who have already served their country faithfully.\
We also need to cut the cost of the private military companies we have to hire because we just don't have enough people in our military.
We need to take better care of our veterns.
End income taxes.
Fight only Constitutional wars.
Protect our borders.
Create "real" free trade agreements with our trading partners.
Tap US oil reserves, and lessen dependence in Mid East oil.
Stop all foreign aid.
Bring troops home from over 700 military bases in over 130 countries around the world.
Revamp Social Security and Medicare before they are bankrupt.
Stop the war on Drugs and Poverty, all they have done is made it worse.
Decrimalize drug useage.
Basically run a Constitutional and Libertarian government.
Fight only Constitutional wars.
Protect our borders.
Create "real" free trade agreements with our trading partners.
Tap US oil reserves, and lessen dependence in Mid East oil.
Stop all foreign aid.
Bring troops home from over 700 military bases in over 130 countries around the world.
Revamp Social Security and Medicare before they are bankrupt.
Stop the war on Drugs and Poverty, all they have done is made it worse.
Decrimalize drug useage.
Basically run a Constitutional and Libertarian government.
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I was right with ya until that second to last one, Joe. I respect your opinions, and your right to have them, but Holy Hannah, are you out of your frickin' mind? Now, if we're referring only to beans, then I'm okay with that. If you're referring to everything, I just lost a ton of respect for ya.undercoverjoe wrote:End income taxes.
Fight only Constitutional wars.
Protect our borders.
Create "real" free trade agreements with our trading partners.
Tap US oil reserves, and lessen dependence in Mid East oil.
Stop all foreign aid.
Bring troops home from over 700 military bases in over 130 countries around the world.
Revamp Social Security and Medicare before they are bankrupt.
Stop the war on Drugs and Poverty, all they have done is made it worse.
Decrimalize drug useage.
Basically run a Constitutional and Libertarian government.
Dood...
I hate to see handouts. Sorry, I was a single mother raising two children with very little child support coming in. I know what the struggles are like. However, I believe that everyone has the right to work to make ends meet. Help provide ways for the citizens work such as provide help with child care. Not only can they help make it affordable for parents to work, but they also provide more jobs in the daycare industry. DO NOT RAISE min. pay again. This only makes it hard for businesses to provide jobs. When a business can not hire because they can not afford to pay, then you have more unemployment. More people needing hand outs. Don't tax me so much that I don't have enough cash at the end of my paycheck to make my ends meet. If I make the money, let me keep it and use it the way I need and you won't have to provide me with help to pay for my energy costs or give me special loans when a tragic force of nature comes along (i'd be able to afford the insurance to cover my property on my own).
Special interest need to be cut out....
That's enough for now...
Special interest need to be cut out....
That's enough for now...
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One thing at a time....
Income tax is a very ineffiecient and non-productive revenue system, but we are in debt too deep to eliminate it now.
I would replace the present tax code with a flat tax of approximately 20% on all income with no deductions or exclusions except catastrophic hardship expenses.
To make it progressive, the primary filer would be exempt from paying tax on the first $20,000 of income plus $7000 each for additional dependent. Eliminate joint filings for two-income household so the 2nd filer can take advantage of the $20,000 exemption.
A single income family of 4 would only pay tax on income above $41,000.
A two income family of 4 would only pay tax on income above $54,000.
A few examples of how this is perfectly progressive:
A single income family of 4 with an income of $41,000 would pay 0.2 x (41,000-41,000) = $0 = 0% actual tax.
A single income family of 4 with an income of $51,000 would pay 0.2 x (51,000-41,000) = $2000 = 4% actual tax.
A two income family of 4 with incomes of $54,000 + $30,000 would pay:
0.2 x (54,000-34,000) + 0.2 x (30,000-20,000) = $6000 = 7% actual tax.
A single income family of 4 with an income of $101,000 would pay 0.2 x (101,000-41,000) = $12,000 = 12% actual tax
A single income family of 4 with an income of $241,000 would pay 0.2 x (241,000-41,000) = $40,000 = 16.6% actual tax
A single income family of 4 with an income of $400,000,000 in Exxon stock option bonuses would pay:
0.2 x (400,000,000-41,000) = $79,991,800 = 20% actual tax
This last one is important because under the present system, stock options are treated differently than ordinary income and is usually subject to only 15% tax. This is only one of many ways that wealthy people shield their income from higher tax rates. With this kind of flat tax system, rates are kept low, but at the same time, wealthy end up paying more taxes because their income is no longer shielded.
If you simply raise tax rates on wealthy individuals, they will simply shift their investment income to shield it from the higher rates. Raising their rates might make some people feel good, but its just like pissing into the wind.
Income tax is a very ineffiecient and non-productive revenue system, but we are in debt too deep to eliminate it now.
I would replace the present tax code with a flat tax of approximately 20% on all income with no deductions or exclusions except catastrophic hardship expenses.
To make it progressive, the primary filer would be exempt from paying tax on the first $20,000 of income plus $7000 each for additional dependent. Eliminate joint filings for two-income household so the 2nd filer can take advantage of the $20,000 exemption.
A single income family of 4 would only pay tax on income above $41,000.
A two income family of 4 would only pay tax on income above $54,000.
A few examples of how this is perfectly progressive:
A single income family of 4 with an income of $41,000 would pay 0.2 x (41,000-41,000) = $0 = 0% actual tax.
A single income family of 4 with an income of $51,000 would pay 0.2 x (51,000-41,000) = $2000 = 4% actual tax.
A two income family of 4 with incomes of $54,000 + $30,000 would pay:
0.2 x (54,000-34,000) + 0.2 x (30,000-20,000) = $6000 = 7% actual tax.
A single income family of 4 with an income of $101,000 would pay 0.2 x (101,000-41,000) = $12,000 = 12% actual tax
A single income family of 4 with an income of $241,000 would pay 0.2 x (241,000-41,000) = $40,000 = 16.6% actual tax
A single income family of 4 with an income of $400,000,000 in Exxon stock option bonuses would pay:
0.2 x (400,000,000-41,000) = $79,991,800 = 20% actual tax
This last one is important because under the present system, stock options are treated differently than ordinary income and is usually subject to only 15% tax. This is only one of many ways that wealthy people shield their income from higher tax rates. With this kind of flat tax system, rates are kept low, but at the same time, wealthy end up paying more taxes because their income is no longer shielded.
If you simply raise tax rates on wealthy individuals, they will simply shift their investment income to shield it from the higher rates. Raising their rates might make some people feel good, but its just like pissing into the wind.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Wolf, that's an excellent tax plan. I'd vote for you! Plus, think of the bookkeeping expenses we'd save if you got your W-2, divided the number at the bottom by 5 and that's your bill.
It would also solve the inequities in how rich people can shelter their income when I can't afford to, a point that frustrates me to no end. Flat taxation isn't leftist socialism or right-wing totalitarianism, it's as fair as fair can be. Now, if we can only convince the rich guys in charge.
Okay, as most of you know, I'm really into alternative energy and such, so here's what I'd do:
I'd put actual effort and money into research, not the current lip-service. I'd offer a prize, similar to the X-Prize in space exploration research, but this is no ten million dollars... it's a BILLION dollars to one organization. One billion dollars to develop a solar panel that's cheap and efficient, and easy enough to manufacture that we can build lots of them. Then instead of just handing them out, I'd do a deal like they're doing with set-top digital conversion boxes for TV... you go buy it, and we send you a coupon. Heck, you could buy 2 or 3 if you wanted. If everybody had one or more, the economy of scale would bring prices down like it does with computers, DVD players and Ipods. I'd do the same with wind power, and even water/ocean wave power. This would negate our current strategy of putting the quest for alternative energy in the hands of the OIL companies who have the most to lose (honestly, they own a trillion dollars worth of infrastructure to get petrochemicals to you... you think they're going to just ignore that?).
I'd introduce a corporate leadership tax whereby a company would have to pay a hefty tax (50% or more) on any wages, incentives and benefits paid to company leadership (boardmembers and other execs) over a certain amount, say ten million or so per fat-ass. That way, you could still pay your bosses as much as you want in a free market, but you'd be far less likely to have the situation where the CEO makes a thousand times more than the guy busting his ass on the loading dock. Businesses could then take the money they would have paid the big cheese, and invest in hiring more worker bees and paying them a living wage. (Obviously, the gov't wouldn't make any money on that tax, it's more for taking away the incentive to make super-rich people instead of middle-class workers.)
I'd stop all corporate bailouts. The banks enjoyed their days of predatory lending, now they pay the piper. No bailouts for people either, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you can't afford something. Just because they loaned you the money for that starter castle, doesn't mean you can afford it, or even deserve it.
I'd also pull the 20 billion dollar tax break for Big Oil in a New York Minute.
I'd end welfare as it is known today. Everyone would do community service instead. Everyone, including the handicapped. Mean, huh?
Rewarding, too. I worked off my DUI community service at the Humane Society, cleaning cages and mowing the dog yards. It was awesome. Everyone there was genuinely happy to have me there helping, I learned that they really do care about the animals, and the animals need the help. Whatever community service people choose, everyone can do something, and everyone should if they get gov't money. Lots of times, people just need something to do, that gives them purpose.
Finally, I'd do some saber-rattling. I'd put a MOAB bomb off outside Basra or Baghdad every few days. Not to hurt anyone, just out on the hillside a few miles from town, knock out a few window-panes in town. Then drop leaflets stating that the next one goes on Najaf, or Mecca, if you don't chill your asses out. I'd have a high-altitude spyplane skywrite a purple line across North Korea. When people ask what the hell is up with that, explain to them that we have the technology RIGHT NOW to reach out and touch someone, conventionally or with a mushroom cloud. We're not working on a nuclear threat, we've had it for 60 years, and we've USED it. America has lost it's teeth, fighting in the wrong war and pissing everybody else off. It's time we reiterate our stance as the world's premier military force... when a bully pushes you down on the playground, you don't reason with him, you firmly point out that you will not be bullied, by threat or by force. Usually, a sincere hand on the throat will convince the bully not to throw down.
I have a bunch of others, but hey, we could all save the world with enough time and beer. Good thread!-------->JMS
It would also solve the inequities in how rich people can shelter their income when I can't afford to, a point that frustrates me to no end. Flat taxation isn't leftist socialism or right-wing totalitarianism, it's as fair as fair can be. Now, if we can only convince the rich guys in charge.
Okay, as most of you know, I'm really into alternative energy and such, so here's what I'd do:
I'd put actual effort and money into research, not the current lip-service. I'd offer a prize, similar to the X-Prize in space exploration research, but this is no ten million dollars... it's a BILLION dollars to one organization. One billion dollars to develop a solar panel that's cheap and efficient, and easy enough to manufacture that we can build lots of them. Then instead of just handing them out, I'd do a deal like they're doing with set-top digital conversion boxes for TV... you go buy it, and we send you a coupon. Heck, you could buy 2 or 3 if you wanted. If everybody had one or more, the economy of scale would bring prices down like it does with computers, DVD players and Ipods. I'd do the same with wind power, and even water/ocean wave power. This would negate our current strategy of putting the quest for alternative energy in the hands of the OIL companies who have the most to lose (honestly, they own a trillion dollars worth of infrastructure to get petrochemicals to you... you think they're going to just ignore that?).
I'd introduce a corporate leadership tax whereby a company would have to pay a hefty tax (50% or more) on any wages, incentives and benefits paid to company leadership (boardmembers and other execs) over a certain amount, say ten million or so per fat-ass. That way, you could still pay your bosses as much as you want in a free market, but you'd be far less likely to have the situation where the CEO makes a thousand times more than the guy busting his ass on the loading dock. Businesses could then take the money they would have paid the big cheese, and invest in hiring more worker bees and paying them a living wage. (Obviously, the gov't wouldn't make any money on that tax, it's more for taking away the incentive to make super-rich people instead of middle-class workers.)
I'd stop all corporate bailouts. The banks enjoyed their days of predatory lending, now they pay the piper. No bailouts for people either, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you can't afford something. Just because they loaned you the money for that starter castle, doesn't mean you can afford it, or even deserve it.
I'd also pull the 20 billion dollar tax break for Big Oil in a New York Minute.
I'd end welfare as it is known today. Everyone would do community service instead. Everyone, including the handicapped. Mean, huh?
Rewarding, too. I worked off my DUI community service at the Humane Society, cleaning cages and mowing the dog yards. It was awesome. Everyone there was genuinely happy to have me there helping, I learned that they really do care about the animals, and the animals need the help. Whatever community service people choose, everyone can do something, and everyone should if they get gov't money. Lots of times, people just need something to do, that gives them purpose.
Finally, I'd do some saber-rattling. I'd put a MOAB bomb off outside Basra or Baghdad every few days. Not to hurt anyone, just out on the hillside a few miles from town, knock out a few window-panes in town. Then drop leaflets stating that the next one goes on Najaf, or Mecca, if you don't chill your asses out. I'd have a high-altitude spyplane skywrite a purple line across North Korea. When people ask what the hell is up with that, explain to them that we have the technology RIGHT NOW to reach out and touch someone, conventionally or with a mushroom cloud. We're not working on a nuclear threat, we've had it for 60 years, and we've USED it. America has lost it's teeth, fighting in the wrong war and pissing everybody else off. It's time we reiterate our stance as the world's premier military force... when a bully pushes you down on the playground, you don't reason with him, you firmly point out that you will not be bullied, by threat or by force. Usually, a sincere hand on the throat will convince the bully not to throw down.
I have a bunch of others, but hey, we could all save the world with enough time and beer. Good thread!-------->JMS
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Immigration.
Secure the border as well as possible using already developed DOD C3I battlefield technology.
Firm fast-track deportation policy for convicted criminals.
For alien guest workers: Make it the employer's responsibility for registration and identification of guest workers. Each employer would need ICE certification so that a standard protocol would be followed. The employer would submit worker information/request lists to ICE for basic background check and approval. ICE would return worker permits to the employer for distribution to each approved worker. There is no prosecution for illegal aliens, because theoretically (don't ask, don't tell), they aren't here yet and once approved, they have credentials.
Allow 6-12 months for implementation of the plan and then impose severe penalties for non-complying employers and fast-track deportation for any illegal aliens without credentials.
No changes in naturalization law. 1st come, 1st serve.
Secure the border as well as possible using already developed DOD C3I battlefield technology.
Firm fast-track deportation policy for convicted criminals.
For alien guest workers: Make it the employer's responsibility for registration and identification of guest workers. Each employer would need ICE certification so that a standard protocol would be followed. The employer would submit worker information/request lists to ICE for basic background check and approval. ICE would return worker permits to the employer for distribution to each approved worker. There is no prosecution for illegal aliens, because theoretically (don't ask, don't tell), they aren't here yet and once approved, they have credentials.
Allow 6-12 months for implementation of the plan and then impose severe penalties for non-complying employers and fast-track deportation for any illegal aliens without credentials.
No changes in naturalization law. 1st come, 1st serve.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Prepare yourselves for Martial Law. Why does DHS have offices in Wal Mart's Coporate HQ? Because if the Govt. decides to declare Martial Law, Wally World is set to become a food distribution center of sorts. Scary? That's not the half of it. Stock up your food supplies. Learn the old homestead way of life. The freedoms that this country was founded on have been slowly stripped away from us, and I think now people are starting to notice, but the damage has been done years ago so the best thing to do is brace for the worst. Dare I say that the "conspiracy theorists" seem to be right about a few things judging from the way things have been going.
Look at the list of Executive Orders
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...
National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.
The most interesting of all executive orders?
Executive Order 12919: "National Emergency"
Should President George W. Bush proclaim and put into effect Executive Order 12919, "the President would put the United States under total Martial Law and Military Dictatorship."
"The President need not wait for some emergency to occur, however. He can declare a National Emergency at any time, and freeze everything. Congress, and the States, are powerless to prevent such an Executive Dictatorship, as long as the President advises Congress in a timely matter."
Also check out Infraguard which includes over 29,000 members in the private sector. If martial law were imposed, these private sector members would be in effect "deputized" by the "govt" and are allowed to shoot to kill to protect their corner of the infrastructure whether it be a utility company or Wal Mart.
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All of these executive orders point toward a coming police state. Worried yet?
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it seems like the empire is collapsing. The start of any empire's collapse begins with the crashing of the monetary system. We are currently witnessing THAT.
Good day to you all! Sorry to be such an alarmist, but it seems to be the only way that people listen. Open your eyes. I can't shut mine and unsee what I saw.
Look at the list of Executive Orders
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...
National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.
The most interesting of all executive orders?
Executive Order 12919: "National Emergency"
Should President George W. Bush proclaim and put into effect Executive Order 12919, "the President would put the United States under total Martial Law and Military Dictatorship."
"The President need not wait for some emergency to occur, however. He can declare a National Emergency at any time, and freeze everything. Congress, and the States, are powerless to prevent such an Executive Dictatorship, as long as the President advises Congress in a timely matter."
Also check out Infraguard which includes over 29,000 members in the private sector. If martial law were imposed, these private sector members would be in effect "deputized" by the "govt" and are allowed to shoot to kill to protect their corner of the infrastructure whether it be a utility company or Wal Mart.
*************************************************************
All of these executive orders point toward a coming police state. Worried yet?
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it seems like the empire is collapsing. The start of any empire's collapse begins with the crashing of the monetary system. We are currently witnessing THAT.
Good day to you all! Sorry to be such an alarmist, but it seems to be the only way that people listen. Open your eyes. I can't shut mine and unsee what I saw.
"Knowledge is easier to digest than truth."
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All ordered in the early 60s under J.F. Kennedynickname wrote:Look at the list of Executive Orders
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
Ordered in 1966 by L.B. Johnsonnickname wrote:EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
Ordered in 1976 by G.R. Fordnickname wrote:EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...
Ordered in 1994 by W.J. Clintonnickname wrote:The most interesting of all executive orders?
Executive Order 12919: "National Emergency"
Should President George W. Bush proclaim and put into effect Executive Order 12919, "the President would put the United States under total Martial Law and Military Dictatorship."
"The President need not wait for some emergency to occur, however. He can declare a National Emergency at any time, and freeze everything. Congress, and the States, are powerless to prevent such an Executive Dictatorship, as long as the President advises Congress in a timely matter.
Although I see a definite pattern here, what's taking them so long?
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
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Brian of the Clan Plush
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Re: Biggest Problems Facing the USA Today ? Any Solutions ?
More nudie bars. Its amazing how quickly I forget about the price of gas when I get a whiff of that stripper perfume...Hawk wrote: What would YOU do if you were president to solve the problems we face today ?
Agree and disagree in a civil manner.
Housing bubble? What housing bubble? mmmm....boobies
sorry Hawk, its friday afternoon. I can't think about solving the worlds problems this close to Miller Time.
You know what they say, "If you're not part of the solution...Bambi must be up on the Main Stage"
I have tiny hands, like a Tyrannosaurus. T-Rex may be the lizard king but he could never play the guitar...
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Re: Biggest Problems Facing the USA Today ? Any Solutions ?
And Brian, this is why I love you man.....you and I think exactly alike. Though Im not half as funny as you are!Brian of the Clan Plush wrote:More nudie bars. Its amazing how quickly I forget about the price of gas when I get a whiff of that stripper perfume...Hawk wrote: What would YOU do if you were president to solve the problems we face today ?
Agree and disagree in a civil manner.
Housing bubble? What housing bubble? mmmm....boobies
sorry Hawk, its friday afternoon. I can't think about solving the worlds problems this close to Miller Time.
You know what they say, "If you're not part of the solution...Bambi must be up on the Main Stage"
lonewolf, thanks for the point of reference. The govt. needs another "disaster", influx of refugees, or terrorist attack to be able to set aside the constitution to obtain complete control over the population. This goes back longer than any of us have been around. Look at the Bilderberger Group, the Rothschild's, and the Rockefellers. Prepare yourself and those that will listen without a prejudice ear. Everyone else is on their own. Stockpile food, and get your survival skills in order. My ONLY advice.
I'm actually quite normal, but the "gut feeling" is telling me that something bad is going to happen in our lifetime. My "gut feelings" have never done me wrong. Wasn't it Ron Reagan that stated that this generation would see armageddon? NOT the movie!
I'm actually quite normal, but the "gut feeling" is telling me that something bad is going to happen in our lifetime. My "gut feelings" have never done me wrong. Wasn't it Ron Reagan that stated that this generation would see armageddon? NOT the movie!
"Knowledge is easier to digest than truth."
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mistikalvalkrie
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Re: Biggest Problems Facing the USA Today ? Any Solutions ?
Stop trying to police the rest of the world, for one.Hawk wrote:Obviously the economy, the war and terrorism are at the top. But let's not be complacent about it.
What would YOU do if you were president to solve the problems we face today ?
Take care of the problems facing our country and then when we aren't falling apart, try to help other people...but only if they want us to.
Worth dying for. Worth killing for. Worth going to hell for. Amen.
Legalizing hemp and nothing else would still continue this huge government hiring program called the War On Drugs. The US has 1 in 100 of its people in jail right NOW, the highest amount in the would. Much more than China, an authoritarian central dictator run commune. We have spent trillions on the war on drugs and it has let to the destruction of the inner cities, ruining the legal system at all levels and creating a government that is running a virtual police state. They try to make criminals out of as many people as they can, often forgetting that part of their oath, to serve the public. The War on Drugs makes criminals out of about 60 to 70 million Americans who partake of some sort of relaxation potion other than alcohol. BTW, the major crime syndicates of the 30's ended when Prohibition was REPEALED.ToonaRockGuy wrote:I was right with ya until that second to last one, Joe. I respect your opinions, and your right to have them, but Holy Hannah, are you out of your frickin' mind? Now, if we're referring only to beans, then I'm okay with that. If you're referring to everything, I just lost a ton of respect for ya.undercoverjoe wrote:End income taxes.
Fight only Constitutional wars.
Protect our borders.
Create "real" free trade agreements with our trading partners.
Tap US oil reserves, and lessen dependence in Mid East oil.
Stop all foreign aid.
Bring troops home from over 700 military bases in over 130 countries around the world.
Revamp Social Security and Medicare before they are bankrupt.
Stop the war on Drugs and Poverty, all they have done is made it worse.
Decrimalize drug useage.
Basically run a Constitutional and Libertarian government.
Legalize drugs and you will put all the Mexican drug cartels out of business, the gangs out of business and actually leave prison cell open for real criminals like murderers, rapists and almost all politicians alive today.
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DirtySanchez
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Wow, an actual progressive political discussion on RP!!!
I'm impressed.
I was thinking (yes it happens). Do you think people should have to have at least a high school diploma to vote?
There are some very ignorant people out there who get intimidated into voting. I know public school systems aren't all that great, but I think it would eliminate some people who just shouldn't be qualified to have a say.
I think you should have to be at least high school educated and have a proven work history. No welfare bums should have any say whatsoever.
Just a thought. I'm done.
I'm impressed.
I was thinking (yes it happens). Do you think people should have to have at least a high school diploma to vote?
There are some very ignorant people out there who get intimidated into voting. I know public school systems aren't all that great, but I think it would eliminate some people who just shouldn't be qualified to have a say.
I think you should have to be at least high school educated and have a proven work history. No welfare bums should have any say whatsoever.
Just a thought. I'm done.
"You are now either a clueless inbred brownshirt Teabagger, or a babykilling hippie Marxist on welfare."-Songsmith
Aaah, there are a lot of folks out there with college degrees that I think should not be able to vote because they can't think for themselves. They only think like those that teach or have taught them over their college careers. Then you have some very well street educated folks who do not have a high school degree for a variety of reasons.
Ignorance does not know anything about a degree or diploma.
Ignorance does not know anything about a degree or diploma.
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DirtySanchez
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I know what you mean. It would never eliminate the problem, but it would have to at least lessen the retardation. I mean you can drive when you're sixteen, but they don't just send you a license on your birthday. Maybe a test? IDK. we just need to stop blaming these elected officials. WE elected them.Lisa wrote:Aaah, there are a lot of folks out there with college degrees that I think should not be able to vote because they can't think for themselves. They only think like those that teach or have taught them over their college careers. Then you have some very well street educated folks who do not have a high school degree for a variety of reasons.
Ignorance does not know anything about a degree or diploma.
If I make a bad hiring decision at work it's my fault if the person can't do their job. Not the new hire's.
Accountability is going the way of the buffalo in our country.
"You are now either a clueless inbred brownshirt Teabagger, or a babykilling hippie Marxist on welfare."-Songsmith
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bassist_25
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I agree with a lot of what you said there, Johnny, with the exception of your welfare reform. Welfare-to-work programs implimented during the Clinton administration failed for a number of reasons. I'm not saying that welfare-to-work is beyond being successful, but those who enact that sort of legislation would have to be careful not to repeat the mistakes of the past.songsmith wrote: A lot of frickin' stuff...
P.s. I agree with Nickname. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I have a bad feeling about the next couple of years.
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.