Truckers going on strike MONDAY (Not Confirmed)

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Baceman Spiff wrote:Im not sure if a strike would have any effect in the long term anyway......... I really think the problem is deeper than any strike or election can fix. :?
You are right. How is a trucker strike in America going to make China and India quit using more and more oil? Its not. All it will do is wreak havoc with our economy.

Biodiesel would go a long way to alleviating this problem, but the idiots in Washington (mostly the clueless lawyers in Congress) are pushing the ethanol boondoggle for midwestern votes. Ethanol processing is about 30% efficient whereas biodiesel is closer to 90% efficient.
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onegunguitar wrote:No,not all drivers are Teamsters or Union organized, so it would more of a shut down. As far small companies "sucking it up and paying the fuel cost",well here's the deal with that-if all their trucks,trailers etc.. are paid off,yea,then a small outfit could survive,but,when you have a $2000/month (or higher) truck payment,insurance,drivers wages,taxes,registration(which on a triaxle is around $1250/year)maintenance,down time,repairs and of course fuel,it's not hard to see why an owner/operator or small company will not survive.
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Scott, I dont blame the truckers for wanting to do this at all. I dont have to be a driver to understand the cost of business. Also I cant think of any one profession thats not linked to trucking in some way. It would truly effect everyone. I just dont think its going to make a difference. It would be like having your leg cut off, and trying to stop the bleeding with a band aid or a butterfly stitch. If a small outfit shuts down, it doesnt make those costs go away. Sure they'll be using less fuel. But how are they going to pay the bills? The government knows what trucks mean to our economy, problem is that most of them are just too self absorbed with their own agendas, to give a rat's ass. So in the end the only ones that are going to be effected by a shut down are the drivers, the owners and the rest of us who need you guys out there hauling the loads. To me its like if I were to say to Chelle and the kids. "Have you seen the cost of food lately? Thats it! We're not eating anymore!" I dont have the answers, if I did I sure as hell wouldn't be sitting here on Saturday morning pissing off truckers on rockpage. :lol: I'd be everywhere I could, screaming them to those who would listen.


Lonewolf,

You are dead on about Ethanol! Its not the answer. But for some reason our Government is infatuated with its concept. So much so, that they are paying farmers to grow more corn. So farmers are growing more corn in their fields, and squeezing out other important crops, like wheat. Who can blame a farmer, barely scratching out a living, for taking the money to grow more corn? I would do the same thing. I think alot of people agree that these "Economic Stimulus" checks we're all going to be getting, aren't going to do squat for the economy. But who here is going to mail back the check? I saw somewhere that it would take a cornfield, from the tip of Maine to the Southern tip of Florida all the way across the Mississippi to produce enough ethanol, to get us off of foreign oil. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. In 1960 Kennedy said before the decade is out, we will land a man on the moon. The govt pored all kinds of resources into that goal. And in just under ten years, we did it. Where is the next moon shot? I have yet to hear any politician, even mention this kind of unified movement to get us all off the junk. I doubt if we will either.
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lonewolf wrote:[
Biodiesel would go a long way to alleviating this problem, but the idiots in Washington (mostly the clueless lawyers in Congress) are pushing the ethanol boondoggle for midwestern votes. Ethanol processing is about 30% efficient whereas biodiesel is closer to 90% efficient.
That's spot-on as far as I'm concerned. Ethanol, is a good thing, but not when it's taken from food-based crops. All that does is increase the price of something we make everything from sweetener to biodegradeable shopping bags out of. I'm fascinated with algae-based ethanol... they dig a bunch of ponds out in the sunny Nevada desert, cover them with clear plastic, and fill them with water, some algae, and a little organic fertilizer. Mother Nature turns a little algae into a lot, then they put it in an underground tank, ferment it, and distill off the ethanol. A little bit of the mix goes back into the pond to re-seed the whole process. A bunch of desert badland gets used where it would have previously just been badlands. Farmers could then go back to growing food for animals and people, and the price of everything comes down a little.
Ethanol's good, but the truth is, it can literally be made out of any organic material, including weeds, sawdust, seaweed, animal waste, restaurant waste... almost anything that was once alive or came from something that was.
Biodiesel is awesome, too. Take anything greasy, run it through a strainer, add a catalyst, and put it in your vehicle. I love it, it's so... MacGyver. I bet the FedGov'll try to regulate it, though. You can't have people doing for themselves. Who makes money off that?---->JMS
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I've been trying to get a tiny Biodiesel operation up and going now for about two months. I want to produce enough to power a least my box truck maybe a diesel car.

The raw materials mostly can't be found around here easily. Not in any easily obtainable amounts. I'm not talking about waste oil here, I've got that in place.

Methyl alcohol is one I felt would be easy. I havn't found it yet. I know racers use it so if anyone knows someone who sells it please let me know.
Sure its in gasline antifreeze and the like, but I need it by the gallon.

Potassium Hydroxide (99 pecent pure) none to be found local ordered and had shipped. I can by it local if I buy around 600+ lbs.

Sodium Hydroxide (99 percent pure) readily found in drain cleaner but not as effective as the above. Its everywhere.

An accurate scale measuring to 1/10 of a gram for tritration of the base oil. Don't need that accuracy for the finished product. I'm on the second scale now.

Oh if you use more than I think 500 gallons in a year you are to pay road tax on it. There ya go John the govenments got there hand in there.
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onetooloud wrote:I've been trying to get a tiny Biodiesel operation up and going now for about two months. I want to produce enough to power a least my box truck maybe a diesel car.

The raw materials mostly can't be found around here easily. Not in any easily obtainable amounts. I'm not talking about waste oil here, I've got that in place.

Methyl alcohol is one I felt would be easy. I havn't found it yet. I know racers use it so if anyone knows someone who sells it please let me know.
Sure its in gasline antifreeze and the like, but I need it by the gallon.

Potassium Hydroxide (99 pecent pure) none to be found local ordered and had shipped. I can by it local if I buy around 600+ lbs.

Sodium Hydroxide (99 percent pure) readily found in drain cleaner but not as effective as the above. Its everywhere.

An accurate scale measuring to 1/10 of a gram for tritration of the base oil. Don't need that accuracy for the finished product. I'm on the second scale now.

Oh if you use more than I think 500 gallons in a year you are to pay road tax on it. There ya go John the govenments got there hand in there.


Onetooloud, look up and/or contact Willie Nelson. He is into BioDiesel big time and would most likely know how to hook you up, with something! :D



In all seriousness, I find it hard to believe there's not some other use for grains in regards to REAL alternative fuels other than ethanol. There's all manner of vegetable oils, so I can't help but think there has to be something, other than used fryer oil as a fuel. Although I realize, Heaven forbid anything ever take the place of fo$$il fuel$! :roll:


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If the truckers do strike, I'd imagine necessary health/medical items on trucks marked as such would be allowed to go through unhindered.



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Mar 31, 11:44 AM EDT

Pa. Truckers Protest Fuel Prices

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) -- More than 100 truckers and others are rallying on the steps of the Pennsylvania Capitol asking lawmakers to cut state taxes on their fuel.
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Check into the wonder that is Hemp....

http://www.hemp4fuel.com/

Plus if we could utilize hemp then maybe we could legally grow our own...
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