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Has anyone listened to the "Velvet Revolver" CD Contraband? Weiland has a nice preascence but I don't think his songwriting chops are as good as Izzy / Axl's were. Slash still seems to really rip though. Semms like a couple of the songs were made for radio (Fall to Pieces) but are still OK.

I didn't like it the first time I heard it but after a couple weeks listening to it, I think it is growing on me.

What does everyone think?

And by the way I think that Slash is a liberal and Scott is a Right wing conservative. LOL! :D

Just kidding! No politics on this tread!
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I think the Velvet Revolver CD is kick ass. Interesting how the rest of the band has to play to the singers strengths or limitations. Slash is a great guitar player and really shines on the CD but as soon as the vocals come into the mix you get an STP vibe. I am a huge fan of both GnR and STP. I cracks me up to read the reviews that say it sounds too much like the GnR and STP and then there are reviews that say it doesn't sound much like either one. Just take it for what it is. Audioslave had to fight against the same prejudice. For the record I dig that band too. Critics seem to leave A Perfect Circle alone. I think most critics don't understand APC, so they are afraid to give them a bad review and make themselves look stupid. I think it would be difficult to give APC a bad review anyway. The whole supergroup phenom is hit or miss. Remember ASIA! Never did such good musicians put out such wimpy music. Hey! I just wrote a review! I guess I'm a music critic now. I'll have to put Project Twelve(34) on hold to pursue my new career.

What about other "supergroups"? Who were hits? Who were misses?
Does anyone remember UK? I think they were a good one. (another review)
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I have to agree with Dave here, I think that the Velvet Revolver CD kicks ass. (It's set to debut at #1 on the Billboard Album Chart on Monday) Just my own opinion, this is the CD that Axl wishes he could make with his "Pseudo Guns-N-Roses". I always said, if Slash ain't in it, it ain't G-N-R.
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Slash is da man
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Yeah, Rock Guy mentioned that if Slash ain't in it, it ain't Gn'R. That kinda tells you what an unstable person Axl has turned into. Scott Weiland is an....um......troubled person to say the least. Yet Slash, Duff and Matt Sorum have no problem working with him and supporting him like a band should. Axl must be off his tits crazy. By the way, that second guitar player in Velvet Revolver must pinch himself everyday that he got picked to be in that band. What a plum gig!
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Yeah UK, wasn't John Wetton in that group also? I had one LP of theirs "Danger Money" I think it was called.

Yeah I think Velvet Revolver kicks ass! The CD grows on you! And just gets better and better!
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the travelling wilbury's, temple of the dog, mad season- all decent supergroups
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I'm just happy that Slash, Duff, and Matt are out doing things, instead of their old prententious bitch of a frontman, who thinks that people still care. Has anyone ever heard Slash's Snakepit? It's killer stuff.

I just hope Scott stays clean, but I'm very pessimistic about that.
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Dave B, I don't know about the econd guitar position in Velvet Revolver being that great, I would feel about 2 feet tall playing next to Slash, I know he isn't all technique but he's got something better ...... feel
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Finally a new rock disc that doesn't make me feel like I'm going to go musically retarded from listening to it (guitar wise I mean).....

I dig it, Slash has a really cool feel for writing solos....
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I just bought it, not too sure about it, first off Slash doesn't shine through like he used too and the songs just aren't grabbing me either, I'll listen again and hopefully I didn't piss another $15 bucks away.
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I've been following the formation of this group for a while now... in the search for a singer, their initial songwriting with Izzy Stradlin, through the moniker 'The Project', and rumors of Sebastian Bach being the frontman.

The first I heard form them was watching the remake of The Italian Job, as the credits rolled I heard Slash playing guitar on a cover of Pink Floyd's "Money". While Slash isn't the most technical player ever, in my opinion he plays with feeling & enthusiasm that matches that of those like Eric Clapton, BB King, & Jimi Hendrix. I knew it was him, so I looked up info on the soundtrack & discovered that it was indeed the band I had been hoping for for so long, fronted by Scott Weiland, still only listed as seperate artists as if it were a one time collaboration. Apparently that hadn't yet settled on a name. Ex GN'R members Slash, Duff, & Matt along with Dave Kushner had been playing w/ the name "Revolver" until Scott came in & added his flavor with the suggestion of "Velvet Revolver".

Next, they appeared on the Incredible Hulk soundtrack with the track "Set Me Free". It was released to rock radio w/o much hype, and the movie sorta tanked... in my opinion it weighed the single down. Next was the single & video for "Slither"... both tracks are now featured on Contraband.

I picked this album up last week the day it came out while on vacation on Florida. While Appetite For Destruction is my all time favorite album & will probably never be topped, Contraband has a great place right beside it in the collection. Matt Sorum is much more powerfl on drums that Steven Adler was, and Duff provides the essential melodic/harmonic in-&-out bass that ties those drums seamlessly with the rest of the music. The guitar play between Slash & Dave is great... both of their styles mesh well. Slash as always is pretty much the clean Les Paul through some distorted & some clean marshalls, sometimes through a Wah. Dave is very effects-heavy, but in no way over the top... his fills are seamless and dance around Slash's riffs like it's an aural rock n' roll ballet. Scott Weiland is the kind of singer/frontman that this band needs. While I enjoyed STP's radio & video hits, I wouldn't call myself a big fan, & never picked up any of their stuff. I think the purchace of this album has convinced me to. From what I understand, the bad wrote the riffs, Scott wrote all the lyrics, & they put them all together.

I have the Slash's Snakepit albums, Duff McKagan's Belive In Me, the Neurotic Outsiders CD, and Izzy & The JuJu Hounds' 1st CD... and while they're all great, you could see the best song crafter was Izzy. I miss the songwriting & structuring of Izzy & Axl slightly, but the Velvet Revolver certainly has the power & drive to make up for it... and I belive it can only get better from here. There is a wide range of stuff, & I think it can fit into the soundscape of popular rock radio right now. Slash isn't so over-the-top on solos, but I think even he's concentrating on the songs, & what he does play is powerful... from his signature emotion-evoking slow bends, to short bursts of rapid explosive energy, he certainly shines through on the guitar.

Sometimes Scott's words are a little too off the wall and trippy for me, but with each listen I appreciate that more & more. "Do It For The Kids" has a riff thats dangerously close to "Paradise City"... which I thought was odd. "Set Me Free" is my favorite track, "Loving The Alien" is close behind... In fact, there's not a song that I don't like on the CD at all.

I suggest any fan of high energy riff-heavy rock n' roll picks up this disc.

I just ordered the "Slither" single from a store in Australia that features a live version of the Sex Pistols' "Bodies", and a studio cut of a sped-up Nirvana tune, "Negative Creep". I also bought a bootleg concert DVD a while back. It looks liek they'll be a killer live band.

For crazy amounts of downloadable audio, video, photographs, and interviews, check out one of the best fan-based sites for any band that I have ever seen at: http://www.velvet-revolver.com

For the official band site, check out: http://www.velvetrevolver.net
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You know, the production on CD's is so much different today than it was when Gn'R first hit big. I wonder if that is some of the problem with Slash's parts not being right out front like we all remember. The grunge sound is still a huge influence in the way CD's are made. I don't want to sound blasphemous here but, I think the instruments in STP would have sounded much more Zep-ish if it had have been produced by Eddie Kramer than Brendan O'Brien. Just a thought.
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That's a damn good point. Production has a key. If Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin were produced by someone today they'd have an entirely different sound...
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Man, I just got this record and all I can say is AWESOME!...I know some people have said it took a little listening to get used to and it did for me as well on some tracks...With Scott singing, there is no way you can miss the STP "sound", but that's where it ends...To me, it sounds like a modern classic...GnR has always been my #1 band and Slash ranks 2nd on my all time favorite axe-man list...I think that they have very strong songs and I know the chemistry is there...I do agree with the production comments...I think Slash could have been "out front" a little more in the mix as well...Over all, this band kicks!...I also have the Snake Pit albums as well...Great stuff, you just can't say enough about Slash.
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These guys are breathing new life into music again! Finally a REAL straight-out, in your face, rock band with great vocals and guitar solo's for all! It may not be "new" per say, but it sure is refreshing! A little dangerous, and a lot more genuine than that one British band everyone is talking about! (Oh no Jimmy, prepare to get slammed for that one!!) Oh well...Velvet Revolver Rocks!
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