Bogner Uberschall

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Monday Jan 28, 2008

lonewolf: i own a 2 channel Dual Recto and an Engl Fireball; i think they're both pretty badass, so i'm not really in the market for another head. the guy who sold the Bogner just surprised me when he was so dissatisfied with the sound of it; he's a pretty accomplished player who's owned every head under the sun at some point. btw- i'm not anti-modeling amp- i'm just already happy with my tone for the most part. (i'll never be 100 percent happy with any guitar sound; just the way i am). i was curious to see if anyone else on here felt the same way he did. most of the locals here play thru garbage and don't want to talk guitar tone.

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

2-17-08
got to try an Uberschall at guitar center. wasn't really all that impressed; i thought the overall sound was a little stiff and not very fluid at all. also seemed kind of elusive to dial in. had nice thick saturation and bottom end though, and i could see how someone else with different taste could dig it... i don't believe it can do anything that a Mesa or Engl can't... to each his own, y'know???

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

I have to wonder if these amps with a gigantic bottom end are really going to sound good in a band situation. How much low end do you need if you have a bass player? Aren't some things just going to cancel out and make a bunch of mud?

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

orangekick wrote:I have to wonder if these amps with a gigantic bottom end are really going to sound good in a band situation. How much low end do you need if you have a bass player? Aren't some things just going to cancel out and make a bunch of mud?

IME (and here I go saying something elitist), a lot of people just don't understand the sonic properties of the guitar and think that the bad ass sound they get in their living room is going to transfer well on stage and through a professional FOH system. So, possibly guitar amp companies realize this and that's how they market their stuff.

- The Reverend Bassist_25, preaching the gospel of turning up the mids and turning down the garantuan amounts of gain. Can I get a hallelujah?

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

Darth Tatum wrote:2-17-08
i don't believe it can do anything that a Mesa or Engl can't... to each his own, y'know???

Well Jason, as I'm sure you've heard me say, in my experience, when you get to that level of amp, you're really just moving sideways anyways. Is the dude who's trading in his Mesa for a Splawn really gaining anything? Well, probably nothing from an objective standpoint. At that level, it really does come down to personal tastes.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

bassist_25 wrote:Well Jason, as I'm sure you've heard me say, in my experience ...

... and all this time I thought, "IME" stood for, "in my estimation."

r:>)

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Monday Feb 18, 2008

you're absolutely right guys; that is what your kick drum and bass player are for. the guitar should be in the mix where the guitar belongs. more mids, less bass.... HELLALUJAH Rev25!!!

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Tuesday Feb 19, 2008

bassist_25 wrote:IME (and here I go saying something elitist), a lot of people just don't understand the sonic properties of the guitar and think that the bad ass sound they get in their living room is going to transfer well on stage and through a professional FOH system. So, possibly guitar amp companies realize this and that's how they market their stuff.

- The Reverend Bassist_25, preaching the gospel of turning up the mids and turning down the garantuan amounts of gain. Can I get a hallelujah?

This is completely true. I used to run a lot of all age shows back in Altoona and I lost track of how many bands would come in and the guitar player would sound badass until the rest of the band kicked in and he was lost. Guitar is a midrange instrument. I had to learn that lesson myself. I used to make up for the lack of mids in my sound with pure volume.

I know better now. It's all about mids and volume.

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Tuesday Feb 19, 2008

Darth Tatum wrote:you're absolutely right guys; that is what your kick drum and bass player are for. the guitar should be in the mix where the guitar belongs. more mids, less bass.... HELLALUJAH Rev25!!!

I never thought I'd hear that come out of your mouth Jason! HAHAHAHA!!!

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Tuesday Feb 19, 2008

i learned the long, hard way Scott... you can't cut thru The Embalmed unless you have some mids- Chad's goes to 11!!!