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HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Wow, im with Lonewolf too, the fucktards come out of the woodwork.
Wasn't the last project EVH pulled from ebay? Down the road, this guitar could burn alot of peeps. Your better off putting no label on the guitar if its modded, not just upgrading the line of it with a sticker.

Why call it something its not?

old Skool · Post by **old Skool** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

I'm with Geetarzz on this. If you're spending that kind of money you know what you're looking for, come on-don't be retarded! I see import Charvels "Made in Texas" and import Kramers "Made in Neptune NJ" all the time on eBay. If you know your ars from a hole in the ground you know these are misrepresented, whether intentionally or not. What ever happened to buyer beware? As far as ESP/Ltd I've played both & in my opinion they'll hang with most anything out there. Just like every type of instrument there are certain features,etc that will appeal more to some users vs others. Joe I love that pic of that snakeskin. It looks very familiar...ha, ha! That's one guitar I'll never part with. Long live the Jackson SL2! Have fun with your project.

PanzerFaust · Post by **PanzerFaust** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Hey Metal....

My Jackson Soloist that You said you'd like to see "Grey Snakeskin" looks like that pic above... it .. is that a Jackson?

Before this thread gets locked I gotta put my 2 cents in (well the world would be a better place if I didn't but when did I care)

I gotta admit it saddens me to know there are fake ESP's Jackson's whatever.... but that being said it's been 2 decades since I spent less than $1700 on a guitar and I would damn well know exactly what I was buying... Actually as a general rule anyone who spends that kind of dough should know the difference unless they're some redneck lottery winner just spending $$$

But I won't be a hypocrite.. I collect WWII German items and have many fake as well as very real and valuable items in my collection.. I know the fake ones and I know the real items cause I've done the research... but I learned a lesson when my nephew asked me to take one of my items into history class show and tell... he brought it back and told me 3-4 teachers at AAHS swore it was real and they were positive and I was wrong.. I thought my God what idiots... I've held the real deal and any moron who thought it was real is an idiot... So it is easy to fool people with fakes..

so buyer beware....

And go easy on Jeff he's a good guy who doesn't know all his Jacksons were built in the back room by Ron Jarrett and Tom Brown.... hehe...

P.S. although I have all Jacksons I love ESP's too.. well at least the couple I've played have been great playing guitars...

Peace, Chatty Cathy

Big Jimi Cee · Post by **Big Jimi Cee** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

I think that everything that needs to be said about the linage of the guitar has been said.

Let me add my two cents on two points.

Unless you are licensed by ESP/LTD you cannot arbitrarily put their logo on a guitar without their permission without infringing on their branding, any current patents, etc. While at the end of the day they may not give a crap, you never know and nevertheless you are breaking several copyright and branding laws.

With that said, I have seen your work here on Rockpage and based on the quality of what I have seen, like Kevin said, develop you own logo and take credit for your work. You never know where that might that might lead, you might be the next Leo Fender, what the hell go for it.

Probably a good person to talk to would be Paul at Big Head Guitars about what you can and can’t do from a standpoint of components and building guitars that might infringe on a known manufacturer.

With all that has been said I have to believe that we would all rather see you making guitars instead of license plates.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Yes, the Kramer was pulled from ebay.
The only thing Kramer about it was the body. Lesson learned.

A few people touched on the point that if a buyer has the cash to spend on a guitar they KNOW what they want and what they don't want.

There's a little box on the side of the ebay page that says "ASK SELLER A QUESTION"

Just in case they really are brain dead, and don't realize what is stated in the auction.

So, here's one for you guys, I started mentioning it before.

If you have a Camaro and it has a 350 in it and you put a set of Camel Hump heads on it, that's an upgrade, and nothing else but.

Sure some people have evil thoughts and intentions, but I cannot hold their hand or monitor their every move.

It cost me $4.98 for the Black paint. And About $10.00 or so for the Logo.
So, really it's not out of reach for anyone that has the desire to do this.

Also it's lefthanded, so chances that anyone here is gonna get burned are slim.
And for anyone else out there, who gives a fuck, if they are that stupid then they deserve it.

I just wish that it could just be what it is, a Project.

I've never had a problem with Jeff before, and I'm not sure why he was going off like that, but as you can see Jeff, I was extremely pissed off, as anyone would be.

No hard feelings to you or anyone else for that matter, just a subject that I do not care to ever discuss again.

Besides,
It's MY guitar, and I can do what ever I want to it.
My intentions were never to sell it for a profit, if anything, I be happy with $250.00 which is more than fair for a customized Left handed guitar.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Killjingle wrote:btw Lonewolf;

after rereading what u wrote u did not put the product down that I can see;

just the quote "nor do I care to" hit a soft spot.

Thank you for pointing that out. I am totally amazed (or maybe amused) that all these people are concerned, even to the point of post-pubescent name calling, that I am not interested in ESP guitars.

What saddens me even more is that the same people aren't outraged at the counterfeiting of their favorite guitar brand which was the point of my post in the 1st place. All I read was the rationalization of illegal behavior.

Contrary to what the Rockpage "legal experts" have stated, "let the buyer beware" does not protect a person from selling outright counterfeit goods. The federal law against selling counterfeit goods provides for a sentence of up to 10 years in prison, a fine of up to $2,000,000, or both per count.

All that for two illegally placed luthiers' refinishing decals?

Joe, I'd hate to see you get in trouble for something like this. The odds of getting busted increase with each illegal piece of work that goes out the door and out of your control.

Unless somebody has legitimate questions, this is all I have to say on the subject.

Well, except, yes Paul, you are right about spending too much for a guitar.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Fair enough Jeff.
That's cool that you are thinking about me and what could happen.

You originally sounded as if you were only concerned about the unsuspecting buyer, and were relentless on your points.

I apologize for reacting the way I did. I felt like I was being crucified for something.

Let's just put this behind us and leave it for what it is.

We're all adults here, and we can certainly realize good from bad.
Just a heated discussion in my opinion, nothing to get too damned excited about.

You did have me pissed off more than I have been in a long time. Haha!
Definitely got my blood pressure up. And almost killed my buzz!

Today is a new day, my man.

Team Transylvania · Post by **Team Transylvania** » Monday Oct 15, 2007

Make "Joe-Co" Stickers!!!!!!!

PanzerFaust · Post by **PanzerFaust** » Tuesday Oct 16, 2007

Group Hug????

Too Creepy?? yea, ok, nevermind....

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

Anyway, back to the task at hand.

I got the Snakeskin put on, and I wanted to show you guys before I go any further, by putting on the Black Bullseye.

The shade is not what I was hoping for, but it will have to do for now, I suppose.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

I got the Bullseye put on now. I'm not so sure if I like it or not.

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

Joe that looks fucking awesome! I think I liked it a little better without the bullseye but its cool too. How did you do the snakeskin? Its not paint is it? One of these days I'm going to have to contract you to paint something for me. I just need to come up with something awesome to do.

By the way, I'm usually a pretty big detractor of copyright infringement, but I think that most companies look the other way at really small scale stuff. People put Fender decals on squiers and aftermarket stuff all the time. I have an aftermarket (licensed fender) neck on a jazz bass I have, at some point I'm going to put a Fender decal on it. Feel free to flame me about it.....

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

P.S.

make sure you re-intonate that bridge, or you are going to be horribly out of tune by like the 2nd fret.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

I agree, it did look better w/ out the Bullseye. The more I look at it the more I hate it.

The Snakeskin was one giant Decal, that I had custom made.

I had the Hair dryer out trying to get all the bubbles out of it, but it was a bastard that's for sure, and it fought me every step of the way.

I just wish that the color was more of a light grey. The proof that was sent to me appeared to be what I wanted, but when I got it, well you see...

I'm up for another project, so let me know whenever you're ready.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday Oct 17, 2007

Yeah the Floyd is all out of whack, not sure who worked on this last but it was in sad shape that's for sure.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Thursday Oct 18, 2007

I really like the color of the snakeskin. I think the bullseye's a little busy, but I'm sure somebody'd like it. Good job, so far.--------->JMS

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Thursday Oct 18, 2007

Yeah the bullseye was a bit too much because of the dark color tone of the Snakeskin.

As soon as I put it on I realized that I didn't like it. I got pissed and stripped it back down this morning.
There's $75.00 down the drain, but atleast I know now that it doesn't look good.

...back to the drawing board.

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Thursday Oct 18, 2007

metalchurch wrote:Yeah the Floyd is all out of whack, not sure who worked on this last but it was in sad shape that's for sure.

I wouldn't assume it's all out of whack,that may be where it intonates,doubtful but a possibilty,time will tell.Nice work Joe,you fuckin' guru,hahaha

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Thursday Oct 18, 2007

It is out of whack. It is actually almost setup for a right handed person, and it doesn't ring true when you play certain chords.
Thanks for the compliments.

P.S. fuckyouscott haha!

RLeahey14 · Post by **RLeahey14** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

yeah dude thats looking sweet, and yeah i always had trouble with that tremolo system... i just figured that all tremolos were like that, and that came straight from the factory like that, i never messed with it cuz i didnt know how, i didnt even know how to adjust it until you showed me that one day, but oh well what can you do, keep up the good work dude

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