No. That would make you a weasley rat welcher.nakedtwister wrote:I'm awake now Bill. If you provided a service to me, say you were a roofer, and the cost of the job was $10,000. You complete the job and it is a successful project. I decide not to pay you for your services. You take me to court to sue me for the money owed to you. Does that make you a Communist?
RobTheDrummer wrote:You know Bill, it's a good thing to help your fellow man, nothing wrong with that. What tends to happen is that people take it for granted and get "spoiled" by the system. So they figure out the system and abuse it. Why do you think so many Illegals are moving here from Mexico? It's a free ride! Just sneak in, pop out 10 kids and they're good. I've seen it first hand.
Nice excuse! They are here to use the system, work cheap and send money to Mexico. It's the lazy ass Americans that don't wanna work because they are spoiled by the system.Hawk wrote:RobTheDrummer wrote:You know Bill, it's a good thing to help your fellow man, nothing wrong with that. What tends to happen is that people take it for granted and get "spoiled" by the system. So they figure out the system and abuse it. Why do you think so many Illegals are moving here from Mexico? It's a free ride! Just sneak in, pop out 10 kids and they're good. I've seen it first hand.
Rob, Rob, Rob. The illegal Aliens are here for big business to use for cheap labor. If it wasn't for big business, we would have closed our borders a long time ago. Big business is also the reason many politicians want amnesty for them.
As far as the abuse of welfare, I'd like to see a percentage of abuse. My guess it would cost more to clean it up (more bureaucracy) than to leave as is. but that's a guess.
whitedevilone wrote:First off don't lump me in with the Bushies and if i remember correctly you had me pegged as a Rush man. [Me ?]
Not quite.Do you ever turn off CNN. [I seldom watch CNN.]
You have my respect for sure but everything you say is textbook liberal speak.
I'm sure every abled body that doesn't work just can't find a job. [Is this sarcasm ?]
And every downtrodden drug peddler is just waiting for that new day that big break and every muderer is remorseful and every baby raper can be cured ect....some people are beyond repair and aren't any good. [Yes, exactly.]
Remember Workfare?Wonderful idea if they could have only gotten the work part of it right.Guess what nobody showed. [Sorry, I never heard of workfare.]
Can't force people who can but won't work do it.Besides it degrading to force people to pick up trash or paint curbs.Wouldn't want to hurt that self-esteem oh no no no. [ AGAIN, forcing everyone to work IS Communism ! Why don't you get that. That is the purest form of Socialism !]
Is that what you wanted from me ? Would you do the same for me for each of my posts ?
That's not an excuse. That is fact. Would you work in a field in the hot sun for less than minimum wage. If your answer is NO, then by your standards YOU are a lazy ass American.RobTheDrummer wrote:Nice excuse! They are here to use the system, work cheap and send money to Mexico. It's the lazy ass Americans that don't wanna work because they are spoiled by the system.Hawk wrote:RobTheDrummer wrote:You know Bill, it's a good thing to help your fellow man, nothing wrong with that. What tends to happen is that people take it for granted and get "spoiled" by the system. So they figure out the system and abuse it. Why do you think so many Illegals are moving here from Mexico? It's a free ride! Just sneak in, pop out 10 kids and they're good. I've seen it first hand.
Rob, Rob, Rob. The illegal Aliens are here for big business to use for cheap labor. If it wasn't for big business, we would have closed our borders a long time ago. Big business is also the reason many politicians want amnesty for them.
As far as the abuse of welfare, I'd like to see a percentage of abuse. My guess it would cost more to clean it up (more bureaucracy) than to leave as is. but that's a guess.
I'm against welfare abuse ! I hope that is clear !MatchstikDrummer wrote:Here's what I want to know Bill...Were you raised being taught that you get what you deserve...or you should be compensated fairly for what you do...or how about a penny saved is a penny earned....the day of the free ride needs to end...I receive a pretty fair pay for what I do but I earn it by getting up, and being at work on time, putting in my 48 hours and most of all getting my job done...what do these people who sponge off of the hard earned tax dollars do to earn the money and other assistance they receive from the welfare system....Not a damn thing...My dad once told me you don't do your chores you don't get an allowance, It's just as simple as that....You call it Communism forcing people to work for Compensation....HELLO EARTH TO BILL....We are all forced to work we just get to choose what work we do
OK . If we have it your way, we would have no military, no Federal highways, no state , county, or city roads. No overseers for for safe drugs, no police, no safe water, no education, no prisons, no funding for technology, no space program, no clean air, ......................................................................................................................................................................undercoverjoe wrote:Do you think that if government did not take roughly 50% of all you earned, and of what you your mother earned over both of your lifetimes, you would not need government assistance? It is so clear---our greedy government takes about 50% of all we earn in taxes and various fees, and then fools act so gracious when that same government throws you a little bone. They are making you dependent on their handouts, but you think this is a good thing.
If we ware able to keep most of what we earn (like it was done in the US for about 150 years), then we would not need any government assistance for our parents to live.
The government is keeping you in a slave class. Just go on thaking your masters as they take you money and liberties.
They got you real good Hawk. That government hook is set in real deep. Are you scared to be free? There is safety in being a slave, especially if the massers throw you a bone every now and then.Hawk wrote:OK . If we have it your way, we would have no military, no Federal highways, no state , county, or city roads. No overseers for for safe drugs, no police, no safe water, no education, no prisons, no funding for technology, no space program, no clean air, ......................................................................................................................................................................undercoverjoe wrote:Do you think that if government did not take roughly 50% of all you earned, and of what you your mother earned over both of your lifetimes, you would not need government assistance? It is so clear---our greedy government takes about 50% of all we earn in taxes and various fees, and then fools act so gracious when that same government throws you a little bone. They are making you dependent on their handouts, but you think this is a good thing.
If we ware able to keep most of what we earn (like it was done in the US for about 150 years), then we would not need any government assistance for our parents to live.
The government is keeping you in a slave class. Just go on thaking your masters as they take you money and liberties.
I can go on and on and on.
I feel a need to contribute to society. Paying tax is a small part. I also think American people should go above and beyond paying taxes, each in his own way, to make contribution to society in other ways besides paying taxes.
There will always be poor. There always was. So if they keep 99% of their earnings, will they be able to care for themselves at retirement of if they are disabled ?
When you make a statement like that, think it through as to what the country would be like without taxes. Of course we can go back 150 years , get around on horseback and drink water from the stream that someone took a bath in up the stream.
Or we could privatise everything. I'll buy the road in front of your house, and charge you to use it. How else would such things be paid for.
US Government is good. Not perfect. But it is the best in the entire world !
Come on Joe. There were no highways and mostly none of the other things I mentioned. Stop thinking of just yourself. You failed miserably at rebutting everything I brought up. You just fall back on "we pay too much". Your right if you are middle or upper middle class. If you are in the top 10% you would have seen your taxes drop significately in the last 8 years. Now I see that as unfair.undercoverjoe wrote:They got you real good Hawk. That government hook is set in real deep. Are you scared to be free? There is safety in being a slave, especially if the massers throw you a bone every now and then.Hawk wrote:OK . If we have it your way, we would have no military, no Federal highways, no state , county, or city roads. No overseers for for safe drugs, no police, no safe water, no education, no prisons, no funding for technology, no space program, no clean air, ......................................................................................................................................................................undercoverjoe wrote:Do you think that if government did not take roughly 50% of all you earned, and of what you your mother earned over both of your lifetimes, you would not need government assistance? It is so clear---our greedy government takes about 50% of all we earn in taxes and various fees, and then fools act so gracious when that same government throws you a little bone. They are making you dependent on their handouts, but you think this is a good thing.
If we ware able to keep most of what we earn (like it was done in the US for about 150 years), then we would not need any government assistance for our parents to live.
The government is keeping you in a slave class. Just go on thaking your masters as they take you money and liberties.
I can go on and on and on.
I feel a need to contribute to society. Paying tax is a small part. I also think American people should go above and beyond paying taxes, each in his own way, to make contribution to society in other ways besides paying taxes.
There will always be poor. There always was. So if they keep 99% of their earnings, will they be able to care for themselves at retirement of if they are disabled ?
When you make a statement like that, think it through as to what the country would be like without taxes. Of course we can go back 150 years , get around on horseback and drink water from the stream that someone took a bath in up the stream.
Or we could privatise everything. I'll buy the road in front of your house, and charge you to use it. How else would such things be paid for.
US Government is good. Not perfect. But it is the best in the entire world !
Was not America great before Comrade Roosevelt started us on the road to Socialism? The government of the US only needed about 4% of GDP to run for 150 years. People from all over the world wanted to come here because we were a great country. We do not need a large government to be great. How did they run things on only 4%? They did it without income taxes which is legalized stealing. Today the unconstitutional bloated government takes in over 21% of GDP to run the largest employee agency in the world.
Another one agrees that there is no bacis difference between Democrats and modern Republicans. I have been saying that for quite awhile now, did you ever notice I call them Republocrats. All are big government types. Slaves to the big daddy government love them. They know how to spend your money better than you do. Keep voting republocrat and they will always keep spending most of your money, and if your are a real good slave, they might give you some bone like government housing, and don't forget the all time fav, gument cheese.Hawk wrote:In Alan Greenspan's new book, he called Clinton the most REPUBLICAN president he worked with. Because he was the most fiscally responsible. He did the things the republicans say they wiil do but don't.
