9/11 documentary

[mjb]

is it just me or what? i still can't watch these things. it's not that the shows are bad, i just don't feel " ready". i find myself saying this every year when these shows come on close to the anniversary and then i think.... maybe next year i'll be o.k. but it's just as sad this year as it was last year and the year before. it really did change everything. makes me angry still.

[Little Devil Girl]

i watch and I can't believe part of it happened in our own backyard. For me, going to the sight of Flight 93 is very eerie. Just awful to think what those poor people were thinkng and how it must have been. All we can do is pray for their families and pray it doesn't happen again anytime soon.

[metalchurch]

It pisses me off when I watch documentaries comprised of conspiracy theories, and bullshit propaganda about what 'really happened'.
If you aren't paying attention to what they are saying you almost start believing it yourself. Most of it is based on loose evidence and twisted facts, which have no bearing on anything factual what so ever.
It does make you wonder and think about what would have happened, had we taken a different offense on the situation.
I fear we are going to see another World War in our lifetime. There's alot of scary shit happening right now, and it amazes me that with all of these uneducated countries with nuclear capabilites or what have you, that there isn't more of this stuff going on.

[Colton]

the terrorism bullshit on fox drives me nuts... a story about something somewhere, they dont tell you shit will the end, but flash a "why you should be worried" banner across the screen the whole damn show

bleh... media...

[Primates]

Everytime i see video or pictures from 9/11 i feel the same way i did the day it happend. Pissed the fuck off.

Its just a reminder that these assholes dont care about religeon, or politics. They just want to kill people. Thats all. It has nothing to do with Islam. They just want to kill people. And if we cant agree on how to fight them....then we're going to end up like Israel.

Bottom line. I remember 9/11. I remember how i felt that mourning. And i won't be forgetting it anytime soon.

[Bic & Que]

The only positive spin on this whole mess is, at least for the USA....

Our anti-terrorism effort must be paying off. That is judging from the amount of attacks and plots that are targeting other countries now...

We all can never really feel secure anymore...but it could be a lot worse!

[Primates]

We all can never really feel secure anymore...

When were we? lol Security is an illusion. Shit can hit the fan at any time. We know that first hand from 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.

[RobTheDrummer]

Everytime i see video or pictures from 9/11 i feel the same way i did the day it happend. Pissed the fuck off.

Its just a reminder that these assholes dont care about religeon, or politics. They just want to kill people. Thats all. It has nothing to do with Islam. They just want to kill people. And if we cant agree on how to fight them....then we're going to end up like Israel.

Bottom line. I remember 9/11. I remember how i felt that mourning. And i won't be forgetting it anytime soon.

Wrong! It has everything to do with Islam. These people are brainwashed since they are young to kill and hate anyone who disagrees with their religion. Bin Laden just said on his latest video that the war would be over if we all just converted to Islam. So if you think it has nothing to do with Islam, you are sadly mistaken. Oh, and I'm speaking in terms of radical Islam. There are plenty of good Islamic people.

[f.sciarrillo]

Bin Laden must think he is the modern day Muhammad. Both being total fools. The fact that America is not a Islamic country is the reason for all this - Bin Laden refers to us as the Big Satan . The way of Islam; supposed to be the most peaceful religion, but death befalls anyone who is not a follower of Allah. Hog wash - I won't go into anymore about it in this post for there would be a novel about my loathness for it.


As for 9/11 - I too will not forget that day. It is burned into my brain for eternity. It is a day I remember everything I did from the time I got up till the time I went to bed.

[Primates]

Wrong! It has everything to do with Islam. These people are brainwashed since they are young to kill and hate anyone who disagrees with their religion. Bin Laden just said on his latest video that the war would be over if we all just converted to Islam. So if you think it has nothing to do with Islam, you are sadly mistaken. Oh, and I'm speaking in terms of radical Islam. There are plenty of good Islamic people.

It does not have ANYTHING to do with Islam. This shit they bash into 5 year old kids is not Islam. Its a front. Its a way of pitching the sale of this bullshit to people. Everything they do and say is for Islam...yet...it doesnt follow it. So look past that bullshit and look at them like they really are...A bunch of fucking idiots that try and recruit people to blow themselves up and fight "The Great Satan". Which i always thought was American Idol....my bad.

[whitedevilone]

Dude respectfully are you nuts?It HAS EVERYTHING to do with radical Islam.How do you think they scare those those little kiddies into wanting to blow themselves up?The fear of God that's how.America may have turned our backs on God but these freaks will die for their's so never underestimate what a little bit Allah and alot of brainwashing will do.If you need a proof pick up this book written by Paul L.Williams The day of Islam:the annihilation of America and the western world.It's a chilling read.And to think when i was 5 and in church they taught me not to steal candy from my Gma .So for all you people who say it's all the same,just religious brainwashing take a step back and look around and you'll find it couldn't be anymore different.Never forget.Eyes up.

[Primates]

I'll say it once more for those who have impaired hearing...

What you are saying...is NOT islam.

The Crusades...Christians slaughtering other people. Did god tell them to wage this holy war? Fuck no. The title "Holy War" is just used to suck people into it. What happend during the crusades was not christianity.

Now im not bashing Christians. So don't tweak about that part.

All im saying is this shit has happend before. And im putting it into context with something that we all knew went down.

We may not agree on why these assholes seem to think we all need to die. But what we can agree on is we need to fight back. Not in the name of god...Leave your religeon at the door on this one.

And im not crazy. I'm just a 17 year old kid who reads history.

[Punkinhead]

In the end, religion = death when humans are involved.

Enough said. Hell, you could even simplify down to this humanity + power = death.

Throughout the history of the world, some radical from some religion has risen to power and decided to slaughter all those who didn't see the world the same as him.

There is no sense debating it even really. People lust power. Religion, like politics, is an avenue to gain that power. Then once you have it, tell everyone who looks up to you to kill their neighbor because they are different. Think it doesn't work? Hitler used the fact that people are afraid to think for themselves to get it to. Crusades, Jihad, etc., etc. The whole thing is bullshit based on power and mind control.

Is religion itself evil? No, I can see the good in it. It gives people something, a view perhaps, that is within their finite understanding of the world. I didn't understand this until I lost someone close to me. It's much easier to think, "Oh, well, I will see them again..." instead "Fuck, this is it. They're gone forever and all that is left is a fucking memory that will get altered/changed/deleted as my long term memory gets more added to it." Also a lot of people do good in the name of it. But, get power involved in anything and it is only a matter of time until the whole damn thing is a fucking bloody mess. The world proves it time and again.

[whitedevilone]

Man these people are saying praise Allah while they are cutting off heads!Have you seen any beheadings??I'd say if you're praising your god, their's being Allah for those not following,you ARE bringing religion into it.Like it or not they have declared Holy War and i'm not disputing your stance but to say that it has nothing to do Islam?What does it have to do with then?Just millions of disgruntled wandering nomads accidently come together in a understood dislike for the west??Only religion has the power to motivate those numbers brother. I know in this PC driven world it's a crime to point fingers and put names to faces and god knows you being in or just out of public brainwashing school might be a tough pill to swallow but it is what you don't want it to be.

[Primates]

Man these people are saying praise Allah while they are cutting off heads!Have you seen any beheadings??I'd say if you're praising your god, their's being Allah for those not following,you ARE bringing religion into it.Like it or not they have declared Holy War and i'm not disputing your stance but to say that it has nothing to do Islam?What does it have to do with then?Just millions of disgruntled wandering nomads accidently come together in a understood dislike for the west??Only religion has the power to motivate those numbers brother. I know in this PC driven world it's a crime to point fingers and put names to faces and god knows you being in or just out of public brainwashing school might be a tough pill to swallow but it is what you don't want it to be.

There is brainwashing involved, Yes. Im not saying religion is evil. There is some good to it. But has it ever accuured to you that these people...just want to kill?

Thats all they want to do. They want to cause nothing but chaos and terror. (hense the word TERRORIST) And theyll brainwash as many people as they can to help them acheive it.

Punkinhead, You're aboslutely correct. Lust for power is a big part of the equation. They've already stated they want to bring back the Persian Empire.

And whitedevilone, With this issue aside...Why don't you stop being so hostile because my views are different. I'm not one to start internet fights (flame wars) but youre definitely acting like a prick 'brother'.

[metalchurch]

Religion is evil and so is your spelling.
LOL! I'm kiddin' man.

[RobTheDrummer]

Primates, you should really look into what's going on with these Islamic jihadists before you talk about what's going on. Terrorist is a bunk term for these people. They don't want to cause terror, they want to kill in the name of Allah.

The difference between now and the past.....oh yea, Iran is working on Nukes. I don't know where some people's heads are on this issue. Every day Ahdmenijad (or however you spell it) says he is closer to having nukes in front of crowds chanting "death to America" "death to Israel".....so, when San Fran, LA, or NY are wiped off the map completely, people might wake up. When that happens, it's too late.

[whitedevilone]

Dude if you think i'm being a prick to you that spells alot out for me.Really have i attacked you directly??No.You're just wrong and when i see somebody who just can't grasp something yet whips out the i study history blah blah blah and you can't say this blah blah blah and then calls christainty out on the rug like somehow christains and hardcore islamic jihadists are even in the same ballpark i'm gonna call you on it.Sorry i didn't mean to refer to you as "brother" i hope i didn't offend.

[whitedevilone]

Did i mention that i love EVERYBODY??? LOL

[Primates]

Dude if you think i'm being a prick to you that spells alot out for me.Really have i attacked you directly??No.You're just wrong and when i see somebody who just can't grasp something yet whips out the i study history blah blah blah and you can't say this blah blah blah and then calls christainty out on the rug like somehow christains and hardcore islamic jihadists are even in the same ballpark i'm gonna call you on it.Sorry i didn't mean to refer to you as "brother" i hope i didn't offend.

Im just wrong? lol Good reason.

And Rob, I wasn't talking about Iran. But yes they'll have nukes.

[songsmith]

In the end, religion = death when humans are involved.

Enough said. Hell, you could even simplify down to this humanity + power = death.

Throughout the history of the world, some radical from some religion has risen to power and decided to slaughter all those who didn't see the world the same as him.

There is no sense debating it even really. People lust power. Religion, like politics, is an avenue to gain that power. Then once you have it, tell everyone who looks up to you to kill their neighbor because they are different. Think it doesn't work? Hitler used the fact that people are afraid to think for themselves to get it to. Crusades, Jihad, etc., etc. The whole thing is bullshit based on power and mind control.

Is religion itself evil? No, I can see the good in it. It gives people something, a view perhaps, that is within their finite understanding of the world. I didn't understand this until I lost someone close to me. It's much easier to think, "Oh, well, I will see them again..." instead "Fuck, this is it. They're gone forever and all that is left is a fucking memory that will get altered/changed/deleted as my long term memory gets more added to it." Also a lot of people do good in the name of it. But, get power involved in anything and it is only a matter of time until the whole damn thing is a fucking bloody mess. The world proves it time and again.

There it is. I'm a secular humanist, secular scientist, atheist, whatever the hell you feel like calling it today. If you are offended by that, take it up with God/Allah/Yahweh, because I don't care what people think of it. Religion is nothing more to me than a way of controlling large numbers of people. It used to be necessary, before strong government, before science explained that the world was round and lightning is an electrical discharge caused by air and water molecules interacting. Now, it's a way of easily explaining a difficult and complex world surrounding us to people who'd rather just say, "God did it." It's subverted and changed to suit it's subscribers to a point where, despite the Bible's plain advice to "go into the highways and hedges and preach the Word of God," Christians went on a Crusade and killed everyone who didn't believe. Muslims have Jihad. You may wish to explain to me that Christianity doesn't indoctrinate their followers... but I'd ask how old you were when you learned "Jesus Loves Me?" What IS Sunday School for? Just because it was YOU in the pew doesn't mean it was right.
Religion is nothing more than man's desire to unload his guilt for screwing things up. God did it, God'll fix it. It's man's desire to exist and live forever. It's man's egotistical desire to say, "I am very special, there must have been Divine Intervention to create me, and therefore I am divine."
To usurp religion's role as a pacifier, and make it a tool of war... does that sound like something a God who cares about us would do?--->JMS

[f.sciarrillo]

All this pish-poshed bs about religion and the like is the reason why you have wars and hate in this world. Religion and Politics are the main reason for all things bad. This comes from one thinking their view is the only view that should be accepted. Holy wars and Political wars have been going on for thousands of years. It will never end - well, until we have the persecution of existence anyhow; that the end time for those who don't know what I mean.

You know, if you look bad in history - The middle east was the proving ground for all things coinciding as one. Baghdad used to be the mecca of holy trinity and theological learning. It was filled with all different religious believers, they all lived in peace and harmony. Now you have war and chaos. And if you go over to the middle east and let it be known that you are a Christian you will face death in a head coming off type of way. All because one group thinks their beliefs are better than the other

I'm no saying that the Christians are saints either, look in the news and you will see what I mean. If you look at the past with things like the inquisition and such you will find that the Christians made up for it a thousands times over. If you look at the big picture - It is the Islamic groups that are causing all the issues. They will not rest and they will quit until the whole world is of their same faith. They say that Islam is the fastest growing religion now. That can be summed up in one world - TERROR !!

People should have a right to believe in the god they want to believe in. Not be forced to believe in a god. I have a belief of hte god I believe in, and it is not ALLAH. He is not the "real" god.

[Primates]

There ya go songsmith and f.sciarrillo. Nothing more needs to be said. lol

[Punkinhead]

In the end, religion = death when humans are involved.

Enough said. Hell, you could even simplify down to this humanity + power = death.

Throughout the history of the world, some radical from some religion has risen to power and decided to slaughter all those who didn't see the world the same as him.

There is no sense debating it even really. People lust power. Religion, like politics, is an avenue to gain that power. Then once you have it, tell everyone who looks up to you to kill their neighbor because they are different. Think it doesn't work? Hitler used the fact that people are afraid to think for themselves to get it to. Crusades, Jihad, etc., etc. The whole thing is bullshit based on power and mind control.

Is religion itself evil? No, I can see the good in it. It gives people something, a view perhaps, that is within their finite understanding of the world. I didn't understand this until I lost someone close to me. It's much easier to think, "Oh, well, I will see them again..." instead "Fuck, this is it. They're gone forever and all that is left is a fucking memory that will get altered/changed/deleted as my long term memory gets more added to it." Also a lot of people do good in the name of it. But, get power involved in anything and it is only a matter of time until the whole damn thing is a fucking bloody mess. The world proves it time and again.

There it is. I'm a secular humanist, secular scientist, atheist, whatever the hell you feel like calling it today. If you are offended by that, take it up with God/Allah/Yahweh, because I don't care what people think of it. Religion is nothing more to me than a way of controlling large numbers of people. It used to be necessary, before strong government, before science explained that the world was round and lightning is an electrical discharge caused by air and water molecules interacting. Now, it's a way of easily explaining a difficult and complex world surrounding us to people who'd rather just say, "God did it." It's subverted and changed to suit it's subscribers to a point where, despite the Bible's plain advice to "go into the highways and hedges and preach the Word of God," Christians went on a Crusade and killed everyone who didn't believe. Muslims have Jihad. You may wish to explain to me that Christianity doesn't indoctrinate their followers... but I'd ask how old you were when you learned "Jesus Loves Me?" What IS Sunday School for? Just because it was YOU in the pew doesn't mean it was right.
Religion is nothing more than man's desire to unload his guilt for screwing things up. God did it, God'll fix it. It's man's desire to exist and live forever. It's man's egotistical desire to say, "I am very special, there must have been Divine Intervention to create me, and therefore I am divine."
To usurp religion's role as a pacifier, and make it a tool of war... does that sound like something a God who cares about us would do?--->JMS

Dude, what the F*** are you talking about? I'm agnostic and if you've ever read anything I've posted you should know that....

It was a nice, non-threating and non-insulting, way of me saying that we won't have peace in the world as long as people have a way of pursuing power. If want my feelings about religion, truthfully and bluntly, it's fucking mind control. Faith is believing in something (doesn't matter what it is), religion is mind control and an avenue to empower yourself and make people follow.

I was raised by a mother who was a preacher, and saw the hypocrisy involved in the entire thing as I was being held down and having demons cast out of me. So, for real man, I don't give a flying fuck who you are on here or how long you've been around. Know who you are talking to before lambasting them over something you disagree with because they might have meant what you just said.

You know what? Fuck this board, I'm out. Delete me or whatever, I don't care anymore. You won't miss me nor I you.

Peace y'all.

[Primates]

I think everyone misunderstood what i said. lol If i said anything that offended you Punkinhead i apologize.

I dont believe religion is the cause of anything. Just certain people that carry it too far (Holy Wars, Beheadings ect.)

But once again, I'm sorry.