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Your favs? I bet this topic exists but I figured why not start a fresh one.

Some of my favs include Sean Kinney, Matt Cameron, Tim Alexander, John Bonham and many more...
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Kruppa first and for-most,then as a technical drummer Joe Morello
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I have to say that all of these guys influenced me in one way or another.


Krupa - had a better feel than Buddy Rich

Buddy Rich - had great chops

Jeff Hamilton - Every note sounds perfectly placed, yet sounds unrehearsed

Frank Arsenault - Ludwig clinician and rudimental drummer. I learned a ton from him about chops and how to hold the sticks, traditional grip.

Ringo Starr - Great grooves , great timing and memorable fills - It was good that he didn't have great chops.

Billy Cobhan - the first IMO and perhaps one of the best jazz fusion drummers.

Bill Bruford - The most influential drummer for me - Great feel for progressive rock - lacks in chops a bit (compared to say, Carl Palmer , but like Ringo, he's better without the great chops.

Carl Palmer - always one of my favorites, feel at the right time and chops at the right time.

Neil Parot (spelling) technically perfect yet still a good feel to 85% of his playing.

Portnoy - technically great, good entertainer at the same time.

Drummers for The Funk Brothers - (The two guys who played all the drumming in Motown Recordings. Greatest feel imaginable!

Bonham - set the bar high for a rock drummer, managed to play a lot without overplaying. Used a fair amount of linear playing for a rock drummer, but had limited abilities beyond Zeppelin.

Bonaham' Son - see Bonham

Joe Morello - had / has it all! My introduction to Joe was the great introductory (jazz to me) album Take Five. Still a must have.

Donnati - Lang - Weckl - All of them are like a high jumper trying to set a record for who can go the highest. Great to watch and to listen to...if you're a drummer. Lang is the only drummer who made my jaw drop when I saw him live.

Steve Gadd - is there any better GROOVE MASTER.(Perhaps Bobby Water. Yes, I love Bobby's grooves and tasteful fills.)

Dennis Chambers - Just plain fun to watch and to listen to. Sometimes his grooves are a bit methodical. Good chops.

Each and EVERYONE had some influence on me.

More to come.
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Hawk wrote:I have to say that all of these guys influenced me in one way or another.


Krupa - had a better feel than Buddy Rich

Buddy Rich - had great chops

Jeff Hamilton - Every note sounds perfectly placed, yet sounds unrehearsed

Frank Arsenault - Ludwig clinician and rudimental drummer. I learned a ton from him about chops and how to hold the sticks, traditional grip.

Ringo Starr - Great grooves , great timing and memorable fills - It was good that he didn't have great chops.

Billy Cobhan - the first IMO and perhaps one of the best jazz fusion drummers.

Bill Bruford - The most influential drummer for me - Great feel for progressive rock - lacks in chops a bit (compared to say, Carl Palmer , but like Ringo, he's better without the great chops.

Carl Palmer - always one of my favorites, feel at the right time and chops at the right time.

Neil Parot (spelling) technically perfect yet still a good feel to 85% of his playing.

Portnoy - technically great, good entertainer at the same time.

Drummers for The Funk Brothers - (The two guys who played all the drumming in Motown Recordings. Greatest feel imaginable!

Bonham - set the bar high for a rock drummer, managed to play a lot without overplaying. Used a fair amount of linear playing for a rock drummer, but had limited abilities beyond Zeppelin.

Bonaham' Son - see Bonham

Joe Morello - had / has it all! My introduction to Joe was the great introductory (jazz to me) album Take Five. Still a must have.

Donnati - Lang - Weckl - All of them are like a high jumper trying to set a record for who can go the highest. Great to watch and to listen to...if you're a drummer. Lang is the only drummer who made my jaw drop when I saw him live.

Each and EVERYONE had some influence on me.

More to come.

Sweet!! Speaking of Sweet....Their drummer Mick Tucker was great and heavily under rated. A few other ones are Jojo Mayer and Greg Bissonette....I have DVD's from those guys! They are incredible as well
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Martin Lopez- Ex-Opeth
Nick Barker- Ex-Dimmu Borgir
Danny Carey- Tool
Mike Portnoy- Dream Theater
Lars Ulrich- Metallica
Chris Adler- Lamb of God

Thats what I can think of now.

In modern metal, the drummer's performance is recorded to a click then quantized to the grid to extreme proportions. Most are quantized 100%, but some are quantized a little less to keep the dynamic feel of the drummer. Quantizing is the process of taking things that are off time and making them on time for those that dont know. Its a standard in all the metal records you hear now and have been hearing for some time. Im sure in other styles music, quantizing drums is done too. Its just to the extreme in modern metal.
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KeithReynolds wrote:Martin Lopez- Ex-Opeth
Nick Barker- Ex-Dimmu Borgir
Danny Carey- Tool
Mike Portnoy- Dream Theater
Lars Ulrich- Metallica
Chris Adler- Lamb of God

Thats what I can think of now.

In modern metal, the drummer's performance is recorded to a click then quantized to the grid to extreme proportions. Most are quantized 100%, but some are quantized a little less to keep the dynamic feel of the drummer. Quantizing is the process of taking things that are off time and making them on time for those that dont know. Its a standard in all the metal records you hear now and have been hearing for some time. Im sure in other styles music, quantizing drums is done too. Its just to the extreme in modern metal.
Thank you Keith. I never knew that. After searching "quantized" (notes aligned on a visible grid) I find it interesting to say the least. I'm not into metal but that explains the incredible sync of the drum tracks.

I don't know enough to make a criticism of this. Does it ever make the music sound a bit "sterile"? Or have some lack of emotion ?
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It certainly can make the drums sound robotic or machine gun like...but thats what alot of modern metal drummers and metal producers go for. Some guys who quantize drums do 80% to the grid, or do 100% to the grid, then shift some by hand to add more dynamics to the tracks. On alot of records, the guitars are recorded in little sections then aligned to the grid...then the next part is recorded and process repeated. Especially in parts where the kick drum is to be locked in time with the picking of the guitar....which is all through modern metal. A few weeks ago, a friend on a producer forum im on showed me a pic of a session he was working on. Just in ONE SONG, there were over 2500 edits!!!! From quantizing drums to even keeping bassnotes on time. I couldnt believe it!! He is producing a technical death metal record though.
The newest "fad" with time editing performances is called "Slip Editing". Its a pretty neat thing though. It does make editing a little quicker.
Some bands dont want their stuff time edited at all. which is totally fine and saves the producer some time!! It really all comes down to what style of music, and the tightness of the players.
I just realized Ive totally taken this thread off topic with all this quantize talk..im Sorry!!!

More awesome drummers:
Neil Peart- Rush
Mike Mangini is amazing too!!!
I could name awesome drummers all day. I love watching drummers. Ive spent hours on youtube before just watching different drummers play.
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Ok, some of my faves:

Kenny Clarke-Pittsburgh native; swung the timekeeping from the snare and bass to the hi-hat and ride.
Art Blakey-another Pittsburgh native, fantastic accompanist.
Philly Joe Jones-Philly native; Miles used to ask his other drummers to play like him, that says it all
Max Roach-dropped the best bop bombs on the bass
Jimmy Cobb-check out his snare work on All Blues from Kind of Blue
Roy Haynes-most idiosyncratic drummer ever.
Elvin Jones-rhythmic duets with Coltrane, need I say more.
Tony Williams-Fusion pioneer, brought the funk
Jack DeJonette-most expressive cymbal work
Billy Cobham-rhythmic duets with McLaughlin, need I say more.
Michael Shrieve-Everyone knows about the live Soul Sacrifice solo, but his drumming on Caravanserai was so deep those grooves are permanently etched into my memory
Mitch Mitchell-one of my all time favorite "rock" drummers. Fantastic. Beats the pants off of Buddy "whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo" Miles any day.
John Bonham-it's Bonzo
Bill Ward-such fantastic feel, one really has to listen to live Sabbath bootlegs to understand how versatile he really was, from doom to swing he was sooo awesome.
Neil Peart-brought Buddy Rich's chops to rock
Trilok Gurtu-dude plays better on pots n'pans than most people ever will on a gigantic kit.
Cozy Powell-Jeff Beck, Rainbow, MSG, ELP, WTF?
Lee Kerslake-Tommy Aldrige often gets the credit for the "Over the Mountain" intro, but I think it was actually Lee that recorded it
Lars Ulrich-yeah all you "real" drummers (who've actually read this far) are gonna give me heat for this, but dude actually perfected Filthy Phil Taylor's sloppiness into a syncopated art form.
Steve Zing/London May Samhain's grooves were awesome.
Chuck Biscuits-Funny guy, great drummer.
Matt Abts-blew me AWAY live. A lot like a modern Mitch Mitchell.
Gylve "Fenriz" Nagell- Darkthrone's drummer. Not the most technical, but awesome feel and a REALLY funny guy. Has put out a varied bunch of solo recordings over the years.
Kjetil-Vidar "Frost" Haraldstad- a lot like Fenriz with technical talent and no discernible humor.
Vinnie Paul-Power + groove.
Frederik Cosemans- Belgian drummer for SerpentCult, bashes the hell out of the skins on Weight of Light.
Animal-pure Muppet fury.

Alright, I'm spent. Maybe I'll post more later.
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Maybe I'm in the minority, but I was never into drummers that played a jillion double kick beats per measure or displayed their dazzling chops throughout a song. I respect it very much and admire it greatly, guys like Dave Weckl, Jo Jo Mayer, Virgil Donati are incredible, but for me, I just would rather listen to a big fat groove and a great drum "sound". Although I am a drummer, I was never really into drum solos much either. From an audience perspective, if you're not a drummer, most solos come off boring and they present a good opportunity to go to the bathroom at a concert.

With that being said, in my formidible years, I was a big Bonham fan, not only for his playing but the sound he got. I think the sound you get from your instrument is an important part of being a good drummer, and that alot of times it gets overlooked. Ian Paice was another favorite of mine. Fast snare work but tasteful in the way he applied it. Carmine Appice was also a huge influence. He should really be credited for the cool triplet licks that Bonham used. Carmine was a very happening rock drummer. Great rock licks and power. He's the drummer on "Hot legs" by Rod Stewart and there are some tasty licks and great feel on that record.

I have only recently (within the last 5 years or so) begun to experience some of the great drummers mentioned above...The old school jazz guys to the technical monsters of today. Like I said, I wish I had command of the sticks like some of those guys have, they truly are awesome, but I think there is alot to be said for those drummers, especially rock, pop, country, etc. that can lay down a rock solid, steady groove with a punchy, killer drum sound. That's where my heart is at....Just my 2 cents.....
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No one mentioned Nico McBrain?

what about Phil Collins also?
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f.sciarrillo wrote:No one mentioned Nico McBrain?

what about Phil Collins also?
I loved Phil Collins with the old, pre pop Genesis. Selling England By the Pound (one of my favorite albums) type playing. I also had the pleasure to see Bruford play for Genesis when Phil stepped out front.
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Stanton Moore
Jeffery "the Houseman" Clemens
Great groove players!
Those are two of my favs right now.
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Some of mine:

Neil Peart:
Always will be my biggest influence. My teen years and early twenties were spent with everything from "Caress Of Steel" to "Roll The Bones".

Alan White:
Loved his taste with Lennon, and especially the later version of Yes.

Cindy Blackman:
Best known for playing with Lenny Kravitz, but her jazz stuff is sick. Check out her "Code Red" album from 1992, and also her album "A Lil' Somethin' Somethin'" from 2000 sometime. She also owns the legendary Tony Williams Zildjian K ride cymbal. THE ride cymbal.

Benny Greb:
I admire and am stunned by the ability of cats like Lang, Donati, Minneman, and Grant Collins, but Benny can groove like those dudes can't. He'll base an entire solo around a funky foot ostinato, and groove on it. Plus, I have fallen in love with his new Meinl Signature ride, the "Sand Ride". Has one of the best ride sounds I've ever heard in my life. A Saluda version is in development stages, needless to say.

Phil Rudd:
2 & 4. Need I say more?

John McKnight:
Taught me so much about blues and funk before he moved to the ATL. Glad to hear that he's doing well.

Bob Watters:
I've said it before, I can see the Hurricanes 31 times in a month, and every freakin' night, Bobby will do something that makes me think, "What the fuck was THAT?" Then I go home and try to figure it out, usually unsucessfully. :wink:
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Gallowglass wrote:Ok, some of my faves:

Kenny Clarke-Pittsburgh native; swung the timekeeping from the snare and bass to the hi-hat and ride.
Art Blakey-another Pittsburgh native, fantastic accompanist.
Philly Joe Jones-Philly native; Miles used to ask his other drummers to play like him, that says it all
Max Roach-dropped the best bop bombs on the bass
Jimmy Cobb-check out his snare work on All Blues from Kind of Blue
Roy Haynes-most idiosyncratic drummer ever.
Elvin Jones-rhythmic duets with Coltrane, need I say more.
Tony Williams-Fusion pioneer, brought the funk
Jack DeJonette-most expressive cymbal work
Billy Cobham-rhythmic duets with McLaughlin, need I say more.
Michael Shrieve-Everyone knows about the live Soul Sacrifice solo, but his drumming on Caravanserai was so deep those grooves are permanently etched into my memory
Mitch Mitchell-one of my all time favorite "rock" drummers. Fantastic. Beats the pants off of Buddy "whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo" Miles any day.
John Bonham-it's Bonzo
Bill Ward-such fantastic feel, one really has to listen to live Sabbath bootlegs to understand how versatile he really was, from doom to swing he was sooo awesome.
Neil Peart-brought Buddy Rich's chops to rock
Trilok Gurtu-dude plays better on pots n'pans than most people ever will on a gigantic kit.
Cozy Powell-Jeff Beck, Rainbow, MSG, ELP, WTF?
Lee Kerslake-Tommy Aldrige often gets the credit for the "Over the Mountain" intro, but I think it was actually Lee that recorded it
Lars Ulrich-yeah all you "real" drummers (who've actually read this far) are gonna give me heat for this, but dude actually perfected Filthy Phil Taylor's sloppiness into a syncopated art form.
Steve Zing/London May Samhain's grooves were awesome.
Chuck Biscuits-Funny guy, great drummer.
Matt Abts-blew me AWAY live. A lot like a modern Mitch Mitchell.
Gylve "Fenriz" Nagell- Darkthrone's drummer. Not the most technical, but awesome feel and a REALLY funny guy. Has put out a varied bunch of solo recordings over the years.
Kjetil-Vidar "Frost" Haraldstad- a lot like Fenriz with technical talent and no discernible humor.
Vinnie Paul-Power + groove.
Frederik Cosemans- Belgian drummer for SerpentCult, bashes the hell out of the skins on Weight of Light.
Animal-pure Muppet fury.

Alright, I'm spent. Maybe I'll post more later.
I am impressed with your knowledge and understanding of the styles of each of these drummers. Some real close listening went on...
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Hawk wrote:...

I am impressed with your knowledge and understanding of the styles of each of these drummers. Some real close listening went on...
Thanks, Hawk. I was just ribbin' with my comment about being disappointed, but I'm glad you took the time to check it out anyway.

What can I say? I love good drummers. For some reason, my playing experience has always led me towards being very drummer attentive. The rhythmic function is obvious, but I would say it's often what a drummer does underneath that makes or breaks a solo as well...especially if the part contains improvised sections. It's all in the dynamics at that point. Sometimes knowing whether to lay back a bit or really drive the section is more important to the perceived impact than any particular melodic choices. I've been really blessed to have worked with or jammed with some phenomenal drummers (many of whom grace this very website). Hopefully soon I'll get a chance to jam with you. I'd love it.
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Too many to mention....

Personal fav's are Donati, Lang, Weckyl, and Chambers- guys that push the envelope.

I also really dig Johnny Rabb, Jojo Mayer, Portnoy, Carter Beauford, Mike Mangini, and Chad Slezglia.

Local Fav's include, but are not limited to....Bill Hocherl, Bobby Watters, Randy Servello, Randy Wilson, and how can you go wrong with Kevin Seigel? You just can't.
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Raymond Herrera - Fear Factory - ALL-TIME FAV DRUMMER!!!!

Lars Ulrich - Metallica

Neil Peart - Rush

Vinnie Paul - Pantera

Paul Bostaph/Dave Lombardo - Slayer

Scott Travis - Judas Priest

Igor Cavalerra - Sepultura

Nick Menza - Megadeth

Randy Castillo - Ozzy

Charlie Benante - Anthrax

Steve Felton (Skinny) - Mushroomhead

Joey Jordison - Slipknot

Matthew Mcdonough - Mudvayne
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sstuckey wrote:Raymond Herrera - Fear Factory - ALL-TIME FAV DRUMMER!!!!

Lars Ulrich - Metallica

Neil Peart - Rush

Vinnie Paul - Pantera

Paul Bostaph/Dave Lombardo - Slayer

Scott Travis - Judas Priest

Igor Cavalerra - Sepultura

Nick Menza - Megadeth

Randy Castillo - Ozzy

Charlie Benante - Anthrax

Steve Felton (Skinny) - Mushroomhead

Joey Jordison - Slipknot

Matthew Mcdonough - Mudvayne
Kick ass list!! All those guys im familiair with have a distinct style of thier own. I'm not very familiar with Mushroomhead and Sepultura...But I've certainly heard a lot about Igor!
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banderson wrote:
sstuckey wrote:Raymond Herrera - Fear Factory - ALL-TIME FAV DRUMMER!!!!

Lars Ulrich - Metallica

Neil Peart - Rush

Vinnie Paul - Pantera

Paul Bostaph/Dave Lombardo - Slayer

Scott Travis - Judas Priest

Igor Cavalerra - Sepultura

Nick Menza - Megadeth

Randy Castillo - Ozzy

Charlie Benante - Anthrax

Steve Felton (Skinny) - Mushroomhead

Joey Jordison - Slipknot

Matthew Mcdonough - Mudvayne
Kick ass list!! All those guys im familiair with have a distinct style of thier own. I'm not very familiar with Mushroomhead and Sepultura...But I've certainly heard a lot about Igor!
Igor may possibly be the most distinct of the group. Does alot of 'tribal' drum beats under heavy metal riffs. Do yourself a favor and buy "Chaos A.D." or "Roots" and you'll hear a whole different kind of metal.
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