[quote="sstuckey"][quote="evolanji"] I thought Clinton was excellent!! Shame the Lewinsky thing will forever be his legacy. quote]
Clinton was excellent, and it is horrible that they is how his name goes down in history , but so many before him had the whole infidelity issue (Kennedy) the only issue than was it was a different time and things were swept under the rug. Clinton did it in a time when technology was comming up and the media took wind of it and ran with it. Now a days you can't even sneeze with out there being a story behind it. Not to mention americans are more inclided to dwell on the bad things people do in life than the good they do!!
Obama tells Israel to f#ck off.....
Anyone ?Hawk wrote:Same crap all over again. NO one complained when GW Bush proposed the same thing to Israrl. Hmmmm Biased media ya think ?
It turns out that President George W. Bush had called for return to pre 1949 boundary lines when Israel was first created, as recently as a speech in 2008, while Obama referred to pre 1967, which in most respects is the same statement, but when Bush suggested it, his party endorsed it, but when Obama suggests it, he is bitterly condemned by Republicans.
What ya think Frank ? Why weren't you bitching when Bush proposed the same thing ? Anyone ?
This SHOULD gp without saying. What it comes down to is that the Republican party, as always, will simply come out against anything Obama says or does, even if it follows earlier Republican principles or stands.
evolanji wrote:sstuckey wrote:Maybe these people would disagree with you, if they were alive.evolanji wrote: I thought Clinton was excellent!! Shame the Lewinsky thing will forever be his legacy. quote]
Clinton was excellent, and it is horrible that they is how his name goes down in history , but so many before him had the whole infidelity issue (Kennedy) the only issue than was it was a different time and things were swept under the rug. Clinton did it in a time when technology was comming up and the media took wind of it and ran with it. Now a days you can't even sneeze with out there being a story behind it. Not to mention americans are more inclided to dwell on the bad things people do in life than the good they do!!
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html
Here's a list of G-Dub's body count. It's not a fringe website either, and everyone knows how these people were killed. You supported it.
http://militarytimes.com/valor/
http://militarytimes.com/valor/
I just got this in an email
This works!
Be honest and don't look at the movie list below till you have done the math.
Try this test and find out what movie is your favorite.
This amazing math quiz can likely predict which of 18 movies you
would enjoy the most.
It really works!
MOVIE TEST:
Pick a number from 1-9.
Multiply by 3.
Add 3.
Multiply by 3 again.
Now add the two digits of your answer together to find your
predicted favorite movie in the list of 18 movies below.
Movie List:
1. Gone With The Wind
2. E.T.
3. Blazing Saddles
4. Star Wars
5. Forrest Gump
6. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
7. Jaws
8. Grease
9. The Obama farewell speech of 2012
10. Casablanca
11. Jurassic Park
12. Shrek
13. Pirates of the Caribbean
14. Titanic
15. Raiders Of The Lost Ark
16. Home Alone
17. Mrs. Doubtfire
18. Toy Story
Now, ain't that something...?
This works!
Be honest and don't look at the movie list below till you have done the math.
Try this test and find out what movie is your favorite.
This amazing math quiz can likely predict which of 18 movies you
would enjoy the most.
It really works!
MOVIE TEST:
Pick a number from 1-9.
Multiply by 3.
Add 3.
Multiply by 3 again.
Now add the two digits of your answer together to find your
predicted favorite movie in the list of 18 movies below.
Movie List:
1. Gone With The Wind
2. E.T.
3. Blazing Saddles
4. Star Wars
5. Forrest Gump
6. The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
7. Jaws
8. Grease
9. The Obama farewell speech of 2012
10. Casablanca
11. Jurassic Park
12. Shrek
13. Pirates of the Caribbean
14. Titanic
15. Raiders Of The Lost Ark
16. Home Alone
17. Mrs. Doubtfire
18. Toy Story
Now, ain't that something...?
undercoverjoe wrote:evolanji wrote:Maybe they would disagree with me. You can add them to the long list of other people that disagree with my opinions. Will that change my outlook? Not in a thousand years!sstuckey wrote: Maybe these people would disagree with you, if they were alive.
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html
-
f.sciarrillo
- Diamond Member
- Posts: 6990
- Joined: Thursday Oct 28, 2004
- Location: Not here ..
Bring up the list of the dead from WWII then. You want to play that, bring up how many FDR killed. You will find it to be more. If you think Bush did stupid with iraq, then you should also think fdr did stupid with Germany. You libs never look at your own party, and you sure don't look in the mirror either.songsmith wrote:Here's a list of G-Dub's body count. It's not a fringe website either, and everyone knows how these people were killed. You supported it.
http://militarytimes.com/valor/
How about LBJ with vietnam? How many were killed from him sending the troops in?
What are you going to say about libya when Obama sends troops there? Will you be for it then?
Last edited by f.sciarrillo on Tuesday May 24, 2011, edited 1 time in total.
Music Rocks!
Economic commentators have noted a pattern between changes in US national debt and US presidential terms over the last few decades. These commentators observe that changes in US national debt have been correlated with the political ideology of the ruling administration.
Economist Mike Kimel notes that the last five Democratic Presidents (Clinton, Carter, LBJ, JFK, and Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP, while the last four Republican Presidents (GW Bush, GHW Bush, Reagan, and Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country’s indebtedness.
Now what's the excuse?
Economist Mike Kimel notes that the last five Democratic Presidents (Clinton, Carter, LBJ, JFK, and Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP, while the last four Republican Presidents (GW Bush, GHW Bush, Reagan, and Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country’s indebtedness.
Now what's the excuse?
You are so out of it Frank. It was necessary that we were involved in WW II. I lived at the time if the Viet Nam war and I hated anyone that kept it going. There is just no comparison between WW II and Bush's "Preemptive without a good reason" attack on Iraq.f.sciarrillo wrote:Bring up the list of the dead from WWII then. You want to play that, bring up how many FDR killed. You will find it to be more. If you think Bush did stupid with iraq, then you should also think fdr did stupid with Germany. You libs never look at your own party, and you sure don't look in the mirror either.songsmith wrote:Here's a list of G-Dub's body count. It's not a fringe website either, and everyone knows how these people were killed. You supported it.
http://militarytimes.com/valor/
How about LBJ with vietnam? How many were killed from him sending the troops in?
What are you going to say about libya when Obama sends troops there? Will you be for it then?
So far, no troops in Libya and I complain if there are.
Ask yourself: When did Iraq attack the US? Which of our allies did Iraq attack? Kuwait? That was a decade earlier, and we got it back pretty quick. Yeah, Vietnam was the wrong war, too. I didn't vote then.f.sciarrillo wrote:Bring up the list of the dead from WWII then. You want to play that, bring up how many FDR killed. You will find it to be more. If you think Bush did stupid with iraq, then you should also think fdr did stupid with Germany. You libs never look at your own party, and you sure don't look in the mirror either.songsmith wrote:Here's a list of G-Dub's body count. It's not a fringe website either, and everyone knows how these people were killed. You supported it.
http://militarytimes.com/valor/
How about LBJ with vietnam? How many were killed from him sending the troops in?
What are you going to say about libya when Obama sends troops there? Will you be for it then?
Joe posted a link to a bogus fairy-tale, and I pointed out that Clinton's "horrible crimes" were child's play, even if actually did them, when compared to what Bush did... and a certain loud group said if we didn't support it, we were traitorous and hated the troops. I stuck to my guns, and it turned out I was pretty much on the money.
As for Libya, at this point, I'd say no, I don't want our troops in Libya. I'm okay with a little air support from a NATO direction, Predators and such (a lot of far-left people are against Predators, I think they're the best deterrent to terrorism, and involve no soldier in the line of fire). I think everybody agrees, dude's gotta go. He's looney as a sh*thouse rat, and just as sneaky. He was almost certainly complicit in the Lockerbie bombing, and may have actually masterminded it... and, he successfuly got the bombmaker out of life imprisonment and got him home living the good life. My own personal opinion is that he's more dangerous than Kim Jong Il, because he's not reclusive or paranoid, he's a sociopath with a lot of street smarts.
Just because I agree with Obama on some things doesn't mean I have to root for him on everything. I have certain views I use to judge things, and I don't control what they do, I can only react.
-
f.sciarrillo
- Diamond Member
- Posts: 6990
- Joined: Thursday Oct 28, 2004
- Location: Not here ..
Good reply. You didn't rant. So I guess I can say that you aren't a full blown liberal then? There are things on the left that I agree with, and there are things on the right that I agree with. It all depends on which way the wind blows I guess. It sucks to be an independent. I also see the hate in Bush. But man, he has been out of office for 3 years. It is time to put whatever hate you have for him to rest.songsmith wrote:Ask yourself: When did Iraq attack the US? Which of our allies did Iraq attack? Kuwait? That was a decade earlier, and we got it back pretty quick. Yeah, Vietnam was the wrong war, too. I didn't vote then.
Joe posted a link to a bogus fairy-tale, and I pointed out that Clinton's "horrible crimes" were child's play, even if actually did them, when compared to what Bush did... and a certain loud group said if we didn't support it, we were traitorous and hated the troops. I stuck to my guns, and it turned out I was pretty much on the money.
As for Libya, at this point, I'd say no, I don't want our troops in Libya. I'm okay with a little air support from a NATO direction, Predators and such (a lot of far-left people are against Predators, I think they're the best deterrent to terrorism, and involve no soldier in the line of fire). I think everybody agrees, dude's gotta go. He's looney as a sh*thouse rat, and just as sneaky. He was almost certainly complicit in the Lockerbie bombing, and may have actually masterminded it... and, he successfuly got the bombmaker out of life imprisonment and got him home living the good life. My own personal opinion is that he's more dangerous than Kim Jong Il, because he's not reclusive or paranoid, he's a sociopath with a lot of street smarts.
Just because I agree with Obama on some things doesn't mean I have to root for him on everything. I have certain views I use to judge things, and I don't control what they do, I can only react.
Music Rocks!
The Clinton Dead List is a list. Those were people who were in business with or some other way close to the Clintons. How many of your ex business partners died under very strange circumstances? Dozens of ex Clinton suckers are dead. (Snopes is a left leaning site, so totally incredible.)
We do have troops in Libya, spec ops forces, but still US troops. But any war that a democrat starts is A OK with the libs, right?
How come the major media have totally boycotted Cindy Shehan? She is still out there protesting the war in the Middle East, and when Bush was president, she was on the news every night. Now, she is out there, but you could not find here anywhere on the evening news. Why? The major media is doing all it can to defend whatever the Obamination does, even though they went after Bush like rabid Dobermans for doing the same thing.
We do have troops in Libya, spec ops forces, but still US troops. But any war that a democrat starts is A OK with the libs, right?
How come the major media have totally boycotted Cindy Shehan? She is still out there protesting the war in the Middle East, and when Bush was president, she was on the news every night. Now, she is out there, but you could not find here anywhere on the evening news. Why? The major media is doing all it can to defend whatever the Obamination does, even though they went after Bush like rabid Dobermans for doing the same thing.
Obviously you got your info from right wing talk.undercoverjoe wrote:The Clinton Dead List is a list. Those were people who were in business with or some other way close to the Clintons. How many of your ex business partners died under very strange circumstances? Dozens of ex Clinton suckers are dead. (Snopes is a left leaning site, so totally incredible.)
We do have troops in Libya, spec ops forces, but still US troops. But any war that a democrat starts is A OK with the libs, right?
How come the major media have totally boycotted Cindy Shehan? She is still out there protesting the war in the Middle East, and when Bush was president, she was on the news every night. Now, she is out there, but you could not find here anywhere on the evening news. Why? The major media is doing all it can to defend whatever the Obamination does, even though they went after Bush like rabid Dobermans for doing the same thing.
Like the idiot Republican Governor from Texas. You know, the one who wanted to suceed from the USA because he was against the stimulus. Complaining Obama wouldn't declare Texas fires a national disaster and now Texas has to pay. I heard Limbaugh cover this. What they didn't tell you is that FEMA is picking up 75% of the bill. AND the governor is cutting money to the (mostly all volunteer) fire fighters.
I don't see such a politically left agenda on Snopes. In fact, David Mikkelson is not affiliated with either party presently, but was last registered as a Republican in the year 2000. I guess it's easier to declare something has a liberal bias rather than it is to actually think about it. Did you read the article, or immediately dismiss it as liberal propaganda?undercoverjoe wrote:The Clinton Dead List is a list. Those were people who were in business with or some other way close to the Clintons. How many of your ex business partners died under very strange circumstances? Dozens of ex Clinton suckers are dead. (Snopes is a left leaning site, so totally incredible.)
We do have troops in Libya, spec ops forces, but still US troops. But any war that a democrat starts is A OK with the libs, right?
How come the major media have totally boycotted Cindy Shehan? She is still out there protesting the war in the Middle East, and when Bush was president, she was on the news every night. Now, she is out there, but you could not find here anywhere on the evening news. Why? The major media is doing all it can to defend whatever the Obamination does, even though they went after Bush like rabid Dobermans for doing the same thing.
As for starting wars, it seems to me that neither party really starts a war, they usually react to a threat. I guess the debate lies in the validity of the threat. As I mentioned before, we aren't privy to most of the intelligence used to make a decision to attack, so it's difficult to have a truly informed opinion of any of our leaders' decisions. I know one thing for sure though. Either side will spin it in their direction for political gain. If you want me to make my best guess, I would say that Bush was right to invade Afghanistan, but was probably wrong in invading Iraq. Who knows though? Maybe Saddam would have turned into a major problem by now. My guess on Lybia? Stay out of it and let them fight it out among themselves.
As for Cindy Shehan, you're right, the liberal media does not need her anymore.
"Music, the greatest good that mortals know, and all of heaven we have below." -Joseph Addison
As a libertarian, I recognize right spin and left spin when I see. Fox News is a total cheerleader for the old school, neo con republican party. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS and ABC are cheerleaders for the democratic party. Whenever I read a snopes viewpoint about anything NON-liberal, it could be written by Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman. Snopes has a truely liberal sway to it concerning conservative politics.
No, it doesn't. The old saying that "facts have a liberal bias" comes into play here. All you have to do is look at fringe-right tactics and previous propaganda to establish a pattern. Then apply that to whatever you're currently debunking. For instance: A video surfaces of a black woman named Shirley Sharrod at a meeting saying she discriminated against a white farmer. Every conservative show in the country showed it, and demonized her. Wait, it seems like there's more... Oh, yeah, the video was edited by blogger Andrew Breitbart, and Sharrod actually was using it as an object lesson... even the alleged 'victim' agreed. Breitbart should have been sued for libel for millions, but still works at Fox News.undercoverjoe wrote: Whenever I read a snopes viewpoint about anything NON-liberal, it could be written by Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman. Snopes has a truely liberal sway to it concerning conservative politics.
Or the instance of "Kindergarten Sex-Ed." The lead story on the jabber-jockeys that day was that Obama officially supported sex education for kindergartners, leading to many venom-filled phone calls and gnashing of self-righteous teeth. How could you possibly support sexualizing young children like that, right? Ah, but it was all in how it was spun: Obama supported public education funds to teach kindergartners about "Stranger Danger." Anyone who says that's not important is the one who should be scruntinized. You could argue that parents should be the ones who teach that, but in many cases, a parent is the offender.
Another example? President Obama showed his birth certificate, but...
So when Snopes debunks some wild fringe claim, no matter how much you wish it was true, it isn't. If that hurts the Conservative Establishment or the Neocon Media, too bad. The truth doesn't care who wins elections, and it doesn't consistently support wild claims by the people who prepare your daily dose of indoctrination. You got pwned. It happens. Hell it happens to me, just not as often.
I'm guessing that even if you were somehow present at Obama's birth in Hawaii, you would still not admit he was born in the US. And by the way, I am not an "Obama ass licker". I just don't root for the leader of my country to fail.undercoverjoe wrote:You and all the Obama ass lickers got owned when you believed that poorly forged document released was real.
"Music, the greatest good that mortals know, and all of heaven we have below." -Joseph Addison
(dig-dig-mutter-dig-dig-stupid president-dig-dig-I don't like him-dig-dig-guy on the radio says he's bad, he's bad-dig-dig-makes me crosseyed angry-dig-dig-stupid can't win-dig-dig-dig)undercoverjoe wrote:This whole country has to dig out of the pit the Keynan born Obamination put us in.songsmith wrote: Keep digging, Joe... you'll get out of your hole soon, if you just keep digging.