Entertainment is very important to any musician.
However it's easy to seperate flash from talent, you HAVE to agree. I'm not saying flash isn't important, it is, but musicianship is more important. And when drummers talk about drummers, flash has little value. I don't care about the face a drummer makes, or how he twirls his sticks, or how he ACTS at all. Which is what non musicians use for judgement.
I listen to how he plays.
GIVE THE DRUMMER SOME!!
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easy to tell the diff?Hawk wrote:Entertainment is very important to any musician.
However it's easy to seperate flash from talent, you HAVE to agree. I'm not saying flash isn't important, it is, but musicianship is more important. And when drummers talk about drummers, flash has little value. I don't care about the face a drummer makes, or how he twirls his sticks, or how he ACTS at all. Which is what non musicians use for judgement.
I listen to how he plays.
interesting, but you still haven't said what makes a great one...
I could go on about what makes a good drummer but I will give you something to think about, and I'm going out and see someone rock out and have a few beers.no surrender wrote: easy to tell the diff?
interesting, but you still haven't said what makes a great one...
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no surrender... I don't know you but!
I will try to breake it down for you the difference of entertainment and
GREAT drumming...
Lets say you have an entertainer...
Great time keeping, solid, does what he needs to do, with some flash
and talent.
Being able to do rolls, licks and knowing the particulars of drumming in short
Now...
Great DRUMMING DRUMMERS......
The Level we only dream about and wake up with wet jeans...
These drummers do more in "one note" than an entertainer does in one full day...
They sound as if there is Two or Three Drummers playing in perfect
unison, speed and persion.
But its only one person no one else...
They can take a kit and make it a complete percussion ensemble in a matter of one measure of music...
Then take that and being able to it EXACTLY to the note every single performance...
Now thats a GREAT Drummer...
Heard it
Seen it
Only wish I could do it .... any questions ??
Ed
GCTTM
I will try to breake it down for you the difference of entertainment and
GREAT drumming...
Lets say you have an entertainer...
Great time keeping, solid, does what he needs to do, with some flash
and talent.
Being able to do rolls, licks and knowing the particulars of drumming in short
Now...
Great DRUMMING DRUMMERS......
The Level we only dream about and wake up with wet jeans...
These drummers do more in "one note" than an entertainer does in one full day...
They sound as if there is Two or Three Drummers playing in perfect
unison, speed and persion.
But its only one person no one else...
They can take a kit and make it a complete percussion ensemble in a matter of one measure of music...
Then take that and being able to it EXACTLY to the note every single performance...
Now thats a GREAT Drummer...
Heard it
Seen it
Only wish I could do it .... any questions ??
Ed
GCTTM
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I'm not a drummer, but I'll throw in a couple of cents' worth here.
A few classic drummers I was always impressed with whose names I'll put out there for your consideration: Carl Palmer, the late Cozy Powell, and Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull).
Locally, we are fortunate to have a lot of very gifted drummers in these foothills. I will always be amazed by the ability of John McKnight not just to display mastery on the drum kit, but to sing with one of the most soulful voices around at the same time!
And I'm posting this just minutes after witnessing Shawn Hocherl's final performance with Vs. The Earth. Shawn is leaving the group to step away from the bar scene for a little while and pursue options as a career musician, along a path similar to what John McKnight is doing. Best of luck Shawn!
As far as drummers that inspired me, I have to cite my older brother, Mike, not just for his drumming skills, but for whetting my appetite for rock'n'roll in the early 70's. He used to bring home albums while he was attending Penn State, and I got turned on to groups like Emerson Lake & Palmer, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Pink Floyd, Yes and more just from the albums he used to bring home and play.
A few classic drummers I was always impressed with whose names I'll put out there for your consideration: Carl Palmer, the late Cozy Powell, and Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull).
Locally, we are fortunate to have a lot of very gifted drummers in these foothills. I will always be amazed by the ability of John McKnight not just to display mastery on the drum kit, but to sing with one of the most soulful voices around at the same time!
And I'm posting this just minutes after witnessing Shawn Hocherl's final performance with Vs. The Earth. Shawn is leaving the group to step away from the bar scene for a little while and pursue options as a career musician, along a path similar to what John McKnight is doing. Best of luck Shawn!
As far as drummers that inspired me, I have to cite my older brother, Mike, not just for his drumming skills, but for whetting my appetite for rock'n'roll in the early 70's. He used to bring home albums while he was attending Penn State, and I got turned on to groups like Emerson Lake & Palmer, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Pink Floyd, Yes and more just from the albums he used to bring home and play.
After wathcing this thread ballon to 3 pages, I thought I'd way in again.
Dave Galazia from Coinmonster is great to watch and listen to. Also really cool to talk to.
I can't believe I didn't mention Buddy Rich or Elvin Jones!!!
Bonham is a great drummer but not all that great a technician. His influence on rock drummers is rivaled only by Neil Peart.
C'mon! where's the outrage over a couple of us naming Mike Portnoy as overrated. I'll go once step further, he might be the most overrated drummer of all time! (Which makes me a sucker b/c I bought nearly 90% of his recorded output.)
Dave Galazia from Coinmonster is great to watch and listen to. Also really cool to talk to.
I can't believe I didn't mention Buddy Rich or Elvin Jones!!!
Bonham is a great drummer but not all that great a technician. His influence on rock drummers is rivaled only by Neil Peart.
C'mon! where's the outrage over a couple of us naming Mike Portnoy as overrated. I'll go once step further, he might be the most overrated drummer of all time! (Which makes me a sucker b/c I bought nearly 90% of his recorded output.)
