What the scene does to people....

[DirtySanchez]

Panzerfaust, I'm not trying to have an e-beef with ya.
I know where the word derives from, but I only meant it about how these kids with the grills and flat bills have been showing up at hardcore shows. I know you're just busting my nuts and deservingly so.
I just get a little emotional about a genre of music that has got me to keep my chin up through so many tough times, being destroyed by a bunch of little upper middle class kids who think they are thugs or dead cross dressers. Personally I don't care if your a card carrying member of the Keystone State Skinheads. I do however appreciate puttin a little poo on a girls lip from time to time.

[Lifer]

What the fuck did this thread turn into???

[DrumAndDestroy]

What the fuck did this thread turn into???

Let's set it straight so we can get back on track...or just start a new thread of discussion...

12-19 year old kids (girls and guys who look like girls...and sometimes, embarassingly older than that) are listening to crappy music and going to crappy shows with crappy bands...that would be the Jaggard UMC. Those kids go to shows just to say they were at the show. They also go there to show off their new clothes they just picked up from Hot-Topic...and Hollister. That music has no heart...it's what is in right now. As the pictures show...these are the kids that were into Abercrombie last year. They are elitists and need beat.

As for wiggers...haha yeah they are big into the hXc scene...Lion's Den. Some are also elitist...and need beat.

These two groups don't seem to mesh well...except when they're brought together by a Screamo show. In which case they talk nicely to one another. That's high-school drama for ya.

The one common ground is this...both groups hate us punk rockers, and make fun of metal heads any chance they get. Oh well fuck 'em. They only travel in groups 'cuz they are pussies.

By the way...picking up change dancing is gay. FUCK Hollister-Core

[Colton]

What the fuck did this thread turn into???

Someone: rawr?
someone else: rawr
next guy: RAWR
some other guy: RAWR!!1!!!!!one!
Moderator: Locked! (just a premonition)

[Punkinhead]

What the fuck did this thread turn into???

Let's set it straight so we can get back on track...or just start a new thread of discussion...

12-19 year old kids (girls and guys who look like girls...and sometimes, embarassingly older than that) are listening to crappy music and going to crappy shows with crappy bands...that would be the Jaggard UMC. Those kids go to shows just to say they were at the show. They also go there to show off their new clothes they just picked up from Hot-Topic...and Hollister. That music has no heart...it's what is in right now. As the pictures show...these are the kids that were into Abercrombie last year. They are elitists and need beat.

As for wiggers...haha yeah they are big into the hXc scene...Lion's Den. Some are also elitist...and need beat.

These two groups don't seem to mesh well...except when they're brought together by a Screamo show. In which case they talk nicely to one another. That's high-school drama for ya.

The one common ground is this...both groups hate us punk rockers, and make fun of metal heads any chance they get. Oh well fuck 'em. They only travel in groups 'cuz they are pussies.

By the way...picking up change dancing is gay. FUCK Hollister-Core

Here's what is interesting about some hard core kids (meaning most poseurs). They rip metal but, without metal, there is no hard core. For example, Pantera was doing breakdowns long before any of them could even drop tune a guitar. That being said, I kind of look at it this way. I really only care about the music and if it's heavy as elephant tits, I'm interested, no matter the genre.

[witchhunt]

Do you suppose you could call the guys from HF1 wiggers?

After reading this 12 times, the only sense I can make of this is that your implying that HF1 guys could be wiggers because they act like something they are not.

Nah, he's just joking about how many of the HF1 guys wear wigs. It's no secret or anything; it's part of the schtick. I have like a dozen wigs from playing in HF1. People would give them to you as a gift.

Thank you Jimi Hatt.

[Charltor]

Pantera was doing breakdowns long before any of them could even drop tune a guitar. That being said, I kind of look at it this way. I really only care about the music and if it's heavy as elephant tits, I'm interested, no matter the genre.

Exactly!!!! Give me some meaty chunky riffs with a good groove and im all good.
Just how heavy are elephant tits any way???

[BDR]

Panzerfaust, I'm not trying to have an e-beef with ya.

e-beef: It's what's for e-dinner.

r:>)

[YankeeRose]

e-beef: It's what's for e-dinner.

r:>)

E-moo. (Not to be confused with Emu. )



So, according to some of the things I have read, let me get this straight: if I'm not part of the correct "scene", wear the right clothes, am the right age, project the acceptable 'tude, or listen to only that one genre of Music, I shouldn't listen to/buy, or go to that genre's shows. Not bloody likely. I think any kind of clique is quite pathetic...almost like a cult.



(Edit: Note the at the end.) Btw, if change is on the floor and there is a collection Drum for Rock For The Troops, you'd best believe I'll be picking it up and putting it in there, no matter who might think that's gay.

[bassist_25]

I've said this plenty of times on here before, but I might as well say it again. I don't give a shit about trendy "scenes" or any crap like that. The whole thing about worrying which bands are cool or which bands are sellouts or which bands are HxC is just a bunch of shit that posuers talk about to give their lives context. The music I listen to doesn't define me. The music I listen to is just a facet of my life. I wear what I wear and I listen to what I listen to (which is everything from bluegrass to death metal), and if someone can't dig it, then I'm not losing sleep over it. So the tough-dude hardcore guys and Kittie-wannabe chicks can congregate at shows, paint Xs on their hands (plenty of people don't do drugs or have promiscious sex, but they don't feel the need to make a social statement about it. ), and post on Vocal Youth about how band X sucks - Not to start another RP vs. VY war, because I don't believe in stereotyping a whole group and I'm sure there are some cool cats on there, but some have the mentality I speak of. I once read a thread where the members of Solegion were looking for a bass player, and the board acted they commited cardinal sin because they're a "bar band" - but it really doesn't affect me. It's not my scene, and it's not my philosophy. Honest and real music will survive through trends and time. Fluff always fades away.

[songsmith]

Panzerfaust, I'm not trying to have an e-beef with ya.
I know where the word derives from, but I only meant it about how these kids with the grills and flat bills have been showing up at hardcore shows. I know you're just busting my nuts and deservingly so.
I just get a little emotional about a genre of music that has got me to keep my chin up through so many tough times, being destroyed by a bunch of little upper middle class kids who think they are thugs or dead cross dressers. Personally I don't care if your a card carrying member of the Keystone State Skinheads. I do however appreciate puttin a little poo on a girls lip from time to time.

Hey, dude, I once lived the local rockstar life... lots of attention, people let me crash on their sofa's, chickies and beans galore. Then everybody got all whiny and looked at the floor a lot, and hot honeys with big hair and tight jeans started wearing flannel and pants that looked like maxi-skirts. Suddenly, my music and lifestyle didn't just go quietly out of style, it was a TARGET for the next big thing.
It happens. Time marches on. The next big thing will see themselves as more in touch with "reality" than you, the same way I made fun of the disco crowd. You'll likely segue into adulthood, where your music will become a function more of nostalgia than actual relevance, and that's cool. You'll have time to go and discover the stuff you were too busy doing your thing to pay attention to. There's so much good sh*t out there that I missed because I was concentrating on "the now." These days, when I want fast and aggressive, I fire up a Bill Monroe record from 1948. If I feel like raw and pissed off music, I go to Johnny Cash or R.L. Burnside. For sheer poetry and beauty, I try Guy Clark or Townes Van Zant or Hank Sr. The feelings a lot of people get from rap and hip-hop, I get from Muddy Waters. You get the idea.
You could fight the transition to Page 2 of your career, more power to you, but once you get there, it ain't bad. Your old records still play. You can still get strings for your guitar. Nobody wants me to don the old spandex, but I could still sing the f**k out of that stuff if I wanted. I know what I'm capable of. Besides the old adage still applies: The older I get get, the better I used to be. -------->JMS

[Punkinhead]

Pantera was doing breakdowns long before any of them could even drop tune a guitar. That being said, I kind of look at it this way. I really only care about the music and if it's heavy as elephant tits, I'm interested, no matter the genre.

Exactly!!!! Give me some meaty chunky riffs with a good groove and im all good.
Just how heavy are elephant tits any way???

I haven't got exact numbers but it's heavy enough to start one hell of a pit.

[Lifer]

This thread is so funny for right and wrong reasons.

[PanzerFaust]

Panzerfaust, I'm not trying to have an e-beef with ya.

e-beef: It's what's for e-dinner.

r:>)

e-beef is what she gets when Sanchez misses her lip by an inch !!!
*And chill people .. Sanchez and I are just exchanging nad kicks.... There will be a big group hug here soon !!!!

hahah...

[HurricaneBob]

Get in the ring and roll yourselves in flour.....

[PanzerFaust]

Get in the ring and roll yourselves in flour.....

I prefer those tighty whities that the Sumos wear....

But I Like the way you're thinking Bobber.... hehe...

[metalchurch]

This is kind of interesting.

I should change my name to 'quarterback sneak'

That's when you're doing her from behind, and spit on her back.
She turns around thinking you are done and you spray her in the face. (aka: The Houdini)
-MetalHoudini? nah, that don't sound right.

Here's the interesting part I was talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_sanchez

[tornandfrayed]

Just out of curiosity some of you mentioned bands at Jaggard Street, which bands in particular? I know the pastor there and I would like to see this phenomenon for myself. Do they still have shows there every Friday?

I think the whole "emo" thing is pretty cool. Gives kids something to do, we all did it in one way or another, seems harmless enough when the music industry is killing itself anyway. The girls pants thing is pretty weird and uncomfortable looking but hey.... Maybe I should become the worlds "Most Mature" emo kid, I already have the eyeliner?

Nah.

[Lifer]

Well some of you got the whole hardcore thing wrong. True hardcore evolved from punk not metal. Metal is not hardcore. Hardcore is not metal. Hardcore is about ideals. Metal usually isn't. Yes, the styles as of late have been fused together. Some bands are great with it, MOST aren't. Just know that this whole EMO sheek look to it nowadays, is not part of hardcore.

and just ya'll know, Pantera blatantly ripped off Exhorder.

[Punkinhead]

Well some of you got the whole hardcore thing wrong. True hardcore evolved from punk not metal. Metal is not hardcore. Hardcore is not metal. Hardcore is about ideals. Metal usually isn't. Yes, the styles as of late have been fused together. Some bands are great with it, MOST aren't. Just know that this whole EMO sheek look to it nowadays, is not part of hardcore.

and just ya'll know, Pantera blatantly ripped off Exhorder.

NO NO NO. Phil Anselmo got the idea from Exhorder to move Pantera in the direction of their style (and no one would know this if he didn't TELL EVERYONE). One big difference between the two, Exhorder's guitarist(s) could not hold a candle to Dimebag. And another is that no one knows who Exhorder is if Pantera doesn't give them props. Get your facts straight before attacking my mentioning of Pantera because you are pissed because I said they "broke it down" before hardcore bands did.

[metalchurch]

Yeah, you're right. I remember seeing Phil many times with Exhorder shirts on, and Venom. Exhorder did a cool Sabbath cover, I'm not sure on the title, but I can look. It's on one of about 10 different 'tribute to sabbath' cd's made over the years.

[Lifer]

Well some of you got the whole hardcore thing wrong. True hardcore evolved from punk not metal. Metal is not hardcore. Hardcore is not metal. Hardcore is about ideals. Metal usually isn't. Yes, the styles as of late have been fused together. Some bands are great with it, MOST aren't. Just know that this whole EMO sheek look to it nowadays, is not part of hardcore.

and just ya'll know, Pantera blatantly ripped off Exhorder.

NO NO NO. Phil Anselmo got the idea from Exhorder to move Pantera in the direction of their style (and no one would know this if he didn't TELL EVERYONE). One big difference between the two, Exhorder's guitarist(s) could not hold a candle to Dimebag. And another is that no one knows who Exhorder is if Pantera doesn't give them props. Get your facts straight before attacking my mentioning of Pantera because you are pissed because I said they "broke it down" before hardcore bands did.

That maybe true, but you still didnt prove me wrong buddy. THEY STILL RIPPED OFF EXHORDER, IDIOT. No matter it being just Phil's idea or all of Pantera. They still did. Granted theyre are differences, but that doesn't matter who's a better guitarist or who gets props.

So I bet you're the assuming type as well, and I'm willing to bet you think I'm one of those faggy emo kids now for saying true facts about hardcore.

[YankeeRose]

Exhorder did a cool Sabbath cover, ...

Oh, the irony.

[metalchurch]

I remember now, it was 'Into the Void'.

What's ironic about that? Sabbath rules, isn't that what this was about?

[bassist_25]

Only on Rockpage are people willing to get into verbal arguments over how much Exhorder influenced Pantera. Why don't we argue over who's more original at playing a pentatonic scale? Punkinhead's a cool cat. No need to go to blows.