barack obama?

[lonewolf]

id hate to change the topic. But do you guys think gulliani would work out as president?


I mean, with all he faced in New York when he was mayor i think hes the stand up kinda guy we need.

If you mean Rudy Giuliani, he would make a good VP candidate for John McCain, at least for an election strategy. I think that combination would handily beat a Clinton/Obama ticket.

It looks like Rudy will throw his support to McCain and form a coalition against Romney.

On the other side, it seems that both Obama and Edwards now hate Clinton's guts (like 40% of the population). Edwards is already starting to act vice-presidential. I look for Edwards to throw his support to Obama in a coalition against Hillary.

[butthead]

Barack's okay. Listen to him.

What the hell kind of mind altering shit are you on now?

[DrumAndDestroy]

is hillary really that bad?

[Barfight]

is hillary really that bad?

no, but the simple minded people from central pennsylvania would have you believe otherwise...

[DrumAndDestroy]

is hillary really that bad?

no, but the simple minded people from central pennsylvania would have you believe otherwise...

knew it. i was waiting for amusing answers....

[lonewolf]

is hillary really that bad?

Actually, 40% is a low number, according to a recent Time Magazine poll, her negative ratings are at 44%. Her positive ratings in the same poll are 53%. Not many undecided there. I guess the article is right: people either love her or hate her.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

[songsmith]

This thread is excellent! If you notice that it started almost exactly a year ago, it shows how on-the-money the political minds are here.
Incidentally, did anyone see the poll numbers yesterday in FL? Giuliani's in a freefall, the Huckaboom is over, and despite FL's delegates being dead in the water because Florida Dems got greedy, Hillary beat the next nearest competitor (Dem OR GOP) by 20+ points.
The Democrats have little to work with, and the Republicans have nothing to work with, and America seems to be telling our politicians we want change, in a loud voice. We saw it here in PA when the House idiots who voted themselves a payraise were annihilated in the next election. We saw it in 2006, when the GOP/Bushies lost a Congressional majority. I think we'll see it in November, too.
Really, all the Dems have to do to win this election is steer American voters back to the well of stupidity that is the Iraq War. I said earlier in this thread that Americans like short wars, and this one's gone on longer than the vast majority of conflicts we've encountered. The troop surge, hailed by Neocons, has done nothing other than seemingly slow the flow of American blood... Iraq hasn't met many benchmarks of rebuilding, and you can still get seriously blown to smithereens walking down a street. Iraq (Mesopotamia) is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth, they're not going to change because of The American Way, and they don't deserve US-style democracy even if they wanted it. The Iraq War is unwinnable (go ahead and quote me on that) because it was sold on a bill of goods, and because NOBODY IN CHARGE WILL DEFINE THE WORD "WIN."
As for domestic issues, we're headed for the worst recession in 18 years, the dollar is taking a pounding, unemployment is at a 5-year high (5 years ago was when the "free market" sold our factories off), gasoline is 2x more expensive than it was 8 years ago, the middle class is shrinking rapidly, hell, all the Dems have to do is stay quiet and cool, and the GOPpers will slit their own throats. Of course we all know, the Dems will f**k up royally at that, because they, too, are retards.
At any rate, like the last presidential election, this one will be extremely interesting and brutal. I expect the occasional bombshell... the far-right talkshows will figure prominently, as the right is all about their propaganda machine. I also expect another high-profile Republican or two to get caught with his hand either in the cash register, or down some other dudes pants. Expect a lot of roundabout ways of calling Hillary a C-word, that always happens, it's just so easy.
As for me, I'm happy to sit back and watch the bloodbath. A year later in this thread, and I'd still likely vote for a McCain/Giuliani ticket, if only because the right-wing extremists and evangelicals hate the idea. Ron Paul would be my first choice, but I'd just be wasting my vote, because once again we'll be forced to vote for the lesser of two evils.---->JMS

[songsmith]

Oh, and all other GOP candidates pretty much hate Romney. Just thought I'd mention that as an aside to the whole Hillary/Obama/Edwards feud.--->JMS

[bfoust]

Let's see... I don't want Hilary, I don't want Osama, I mean Obama..

I really don't know who I want..

Here is what I am pro:

Pro-Gun
Pro-Life
Pro-Grammar..

Who should I vote for? (besides Capt. Grammar)?

[songsmith]

And the news at noon says:
Giuliani and Edwards are out.
Didn't see that coming so soon.
--------->JMS

[YankeeRose]

New Republican Definitions

Alternative Energy Sources
n. New locations to drill for gas and oil.

Bankruptcy
n. A punishable crime when committed by poor people but not corporations.

Cheney, Dick
n. The greater of two evils.

Class Warfare
n. Any attempt to raise the minimum wage.

Climate Change
n. The day when the blue states are swallowed by the oceans.

Compassionate Conservatism
n. Poignant concern for the very wealthy.

DeLay, Tom
n. 1. Past tense of De Lie.
2. Patronage saint.

Democracy
n. So extensively exported that the domestic supply is depleted.

Fox News
fict. Faux news.

Free Markets
n. Halliburton no-bid contracts at taxpayer expense.

Growth
n. 1. The justification for tax cuts for the wealthy. 2. What happens to the national debt when Republicans cut taxes for the wealthy.

Habeas Corpus
n. Archaic. (Lat.) Legal term no longer in use. (See: Patriot Act.)

Water
n. Arsenic storage device.

Healthy Forest
n. No Tree left behind.

Honesty
n. Lies told in simple declarative sentences--e.g., "Freedom is on the
march."

House of Representatives
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $1 million to $5 million.

Laziness
n. When the poor are not working.

Leisure Time
n. When the wealthy are not working.

Liberal(s)
n. Followers of the Anti-Christ.

Neo-Conservatives
n. Nerds with Napoleonic complexes.

9/11
n. Tragedy used to justify any administrative policy. (See: "Terra, Terra, Terra!")

No Child Left Behind
riff. 1. v. There are always jobs in the military.

Ownership Society
n. A civilization where 1 percent of the population controls 90 percent of the wealth.

Patriot Act
n. The pre-emptive strike on American freedoms to prevent the terrorists from destroying them first.

Pro-life
adj. Valuing human life until birth.

Senate
n. Exclusive club; entry fee $10 million to $30 million.

Simplify
v. To cut the taxes of Republican donors.

Staying The Course
interj. Slang. Saying and doing the same thing over and over, regardless of the result.

Voter Fraud
n. A significant minority turnout.

Wal-Mart
n. The nation-state, future tense.

Time for some levity!

[DrumAndDestroy]

haha

[DirtySanchez]

Here is what I am pro:

Pro-Gun
Pro-Life
Pro-Grammar..

Who should I vote for?

A bible thumping redneck who speaks well. Good luck.

[Ron]

Shouldn't pro-gun and pro-life be mutually exclusive?

[Hawk]

I was going to start another thread with this post, but I'll wait until closer to the elections.

I think about 80% of people vote for a president based on looks, whether they admit it or not.

They judge by ........ He looks like a president should look. Confident, tall, good looking, presidential.

Since we will be looking for some calm AFTER the storm, my bet is with McCain. Strictly based on looks. He looks calm and under control and that is what people will want two years from now.

I'll pull up this thread two years from now and see if I'm right.


Any thoughts ?

I called it one year ago ! January 20th 2007.

[Jim Price]

One thing that bugs me is that we here in Pennsylvania again get screwed in the Presidential selection process, because our primary doesn't take place until April 22. By that point, we essentially rubber-stamp whoever is left standing in each party after all the other states' primaries and caucuses. Supposedly legislation was introduced after the 2004 election to move our primary up to earlier in the year, but it stalled and never got passed.

I'm not saying I would have voted for any of the candidates who have dropped out of the race thus far, but it would have been nice to have their option available when our state's primary comes up. As it is right now, it seems that states with early primaries and caucuses like New Hampshire and Nevada determine who we get to pick from in our primary.

[RamRod 1]

Yeah, I'm still voting for Obama!

[YankeeRose]

Just curious, is there a candidate who is an apparent leader in/on Alternative Energy and the Environment, Health Care, and has hopefully addressed restoring Habeus Corpus and that "damn piece of paper"?

[Hawk]

Just curious, is there a candidate who is an apparent leader in/on Alternative Energy and the Environment, Health Care, and has hopefully addressed restoring Habeus Corpus and that "damn piece of paper"?

That would have been John Edwards.

[Hawk]

One thing that bugs me is that we here in Pennsylvania again get screwed in the Presidential selection process, because our primary doesn't take place until April 22. By that point, we essentially rubber-stamp whoever is left standing in each party after all the other states' primaries and caucuses. Supposedly legislation was introduced after the 2004 election to move our primary up to earlier in the year, but it stalled and never got passed.

I'm not saying I would have voted for any of the candidates who have dropped out of the race thus far, but it would have been nice to have their option available when our state's primary comes up. As it is right now, it seems that states with early primaries and caucuses like New Hampshire and Nevada determine who we get to pick from in our primary.

You are so right JP. I really was hoping John Edwards could hang in there.

It is unfortunate that, in the greatest, freest, country in the world, only a few states get to pick the front runners. And the rest of the states get to pick from what's left .

[bassist_25]

Patriot Act
n. The pre-emptive strike on American freedoms to prevent the terrorists from destroying them first.

LMFAO!!!!

In regards to the primaries - I'm a registered Libertarian. I suppose I should research if there is anyone worth voting for in the Libertarian party.

[Banned]

I would look for Ron Paul to run as an indepentant or on the Libertarian Party.

[Barfight]

I would look for Ron Paul to run as an indepentant or on the Libertarian Party.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting really fucking tired of all this talk about Ron Paul...

Ron Paul this, Ron Paul that..

"Ron Paul is the only man qualified to change America..."

bullshit. The fact is, if Ron Paul were truly qualified to change America, an America where it's citizens really are too blind to truly give a fuck about what's right and what's wrong... he clearly would have done this back in 1988, when he ran against George Bush, and Michael Dukakis... TWO OF THE DUMBEST PEOPLE OF ALL TIME!

Realistically, Ron Paul doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of changing a damn thing... because like it or not... WE CLEARLY DO NOT WANT CHANGE...

Americans are fickle, simple-minded, dumb fucking people... the absolute last thing we'll accept... is change.

[songsmith]

I would look for Ron Paul to run as an indepentant or on the Libertarian Party.

This is Ron's Catch 22... if he runs as a Republican, he's not only beholden to the Good Ol' Boys in the Grand Old Party, he's also forced to step to the back of the bus. If he runs as an independent, he suffers the slings and arrows of the 2 major parties' attack machines.
I really feel like he's the right guy for the job, but he laid with snakes when he ran as a Republican. TPTB were never going to do anything but marginalize him.

Meanwhile, speaking of snakes, Mitt Romney sends a piss-shiver down my back everytime I hear him speak. He just seems so slick and fake. His tone of voice always sounds to me like he's trying to talk a barmaid into going back to his motel. I keep looking for a pinkie ring. He's really taking a beating in the recent debates, though. I see him falling by the wayside, McCain's got some pretty good momentum going into Super Tuesday, if he can keep it rolling, he's in good position for the nomination this summer.
Loved the definitions, Yankee. Especially this one:

Democracy
n. So extensively exported that the domestic supply is depleted.

That's very astute, I'd say.-------->JMS

[Gallowglass]

...In regards to the primaries - I'm a registered Libertarian. I suppose I should research if there is anyone worth voting for in the Libertarian party.

Paul, in an unprecedented move the Libertarians have actually decided not to run anybody this year and have suggested that all Libertarians support Ron Paul. I agree with their position. It's gonna hurt a little bit (I've been registered Libertarian since 1990), but I soon have to find the time to go register Rep. if I want to make the PA primaries. The things I do for Ron Paul.