i didn't know band's still did that

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

I know its cliche, but I love Marshall overdrive and Fender clean. Its the best, and I have no love for the Mesa sound, I love the Marshall midvoiced overdrive. Classic.

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

agreed Paul,

and for the record I am very satisfied with the Marshall cabs. I am satisfied with the Mesa heads. But Im a junkie on the quest for tone, like you. I t will eventually lead me to refinancing my home (LOL!)

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

I have only heard one guy that I loved his Marshall tone locally. Def agree on the Fender clean, nobody touches that sound!

Depends on the genre of music too, Lamb of God using marshall overdrive would sound stupid. Lynryd Skynrd using Rectifiers with the full out saturation and distortion cranked to 11 would sound equally stupid. Its all about what works for what u do.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

MeYatch wrote:why do guitar players want to hear a guitar heavy mix?

I hate hearing a bass heavy mix. I just like a nice even mix where everyone can be heard and no one is overpowered...

It's been in my experience that everyone has a different idea of what a good mix is. I'm very similar with you: I like a good even mix. Greg Stager from Knight Sound is that type of engineer. It sounds like you're listening to a CD, only louder. It's a very slick mix, which I like. Some cats like a big drum mix. Some guys think that the bass guitar should be nothing but 150hz. *shudder*

One thing I hate is when the rythmn section over-powers the rythmn guitar. Though I suspect that's due more to poor on-stage EQing than a problem with the soundman.

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

when I run sound I really do try to run a nice even mix, and maybe I do lean to heavily on the guitar and kick drum. It seems to be the focus of every modern day recording artist.

One dude who gets no love for his tone is Adam from Pelt. This guy has fantastic tone! Hes not a member here that I am aware of, but I love watching him play. It starts with his fingers, and really translates well into his Line 6. I have never been a fan of modeling amps, but this guy makes me think they aint so bad

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

Killjingle wrote: Def agree on the Fender clean, nobody touches that sound!

The Fender clean is what I call a "dirty" clean, and I think that's a reason why it sounds so good in a single guitar situation. Felix, Norm Nardini, and Brian Cupples all do the Fender combo thing, and I'm knocked out by all of their tones (and they are all great players too, of course).

Now for true pristine clean, I don't think anyone can deny those Roland combo amps, the choice of many jazz cats.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

Killjingle wrote: One dude who gets no love for his tone is Adam from Pelt. This guy has fantastic tone! Hes not a member here that I am aware of, but I love watching him play. It starts with his fingers, and really translates well into his Line 6. I have never been a fan of modeling amps, but this guy makes me think they aint so bad

Yeah, I thought the same thing too when I saw Pelt (also think that their vocalist is highly underrated). I've always had a love/hate relationship with Line 6 stuff. Their stuff is no doubt professional sounding, but on the hand, sometimes it just seems too "digital" to me. I don't know if that's because it's solid-state or if that's just how Line 6 stuff sounds.

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Thursday Dec 28, 2006

I definately get more excited by hearing a clean guitar tone I like than a dirty guitar tone I like, but I guess thats the bass player in me.

Most guitar players I know quest for that dirty sound, and then stack layers of effects on it, to where it doesn't even matter that much.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Friday Dec 29, 2006

bassist_25 wrote:
MeYatch wrote:why do guitar players want to hear a guitar heavy mix?

I hate hearing a bass heavy mix. I just like a nice even mix where everyone can be heard and no one is overpowered...
One thing I hate is when the rythmn section over-powers the rythmn guitar. Though I suspect that's due more to poor on-stage EQing than a problem with the soundman.

Bingo. My definition of a guitar-heavy mix these days is "a mix where you can actually hear what the guitar is doing". Seems like a lot of soundmen are leaning towards the teenage car stereo school of mixing, where it's all about unleashing hellfire and brimstone from the subs without much regard for the overall balance. I love a tight thumping bottom (that sounds dirty), but also like to recognize what the song is!

Killjingle wrote: and for the record I am very satisfied with the Marshall cabs. I am satisfied with the Mesa heads. But Im a junkie on the quest for tone, like you. I t will eventually lead me to refinancing my home (LOL!)

I really dug the sound you and Jason had together. MASSIVE. Dax and I noticed when you guys were soundchecking that even though you seemed to have identical rigs, your sounds were very different. That seems to be the way to go for two guitar teams . . . two dissimilar sounds = one greater whole.

bassist_25 wrote: I've always had a love/hate relationship with Line 6 stuff. Their stuff is no doubt professional sounding, but on the hand, sometimes it just seems too "digital" to me. I don't know if that's because it's solid-state or if that's just how Line 6 stuff sounds.

Ditto on the love/hate thing! I've tried a few times to use a purely modelling live rig for versatility, but the tone always seems too flat. On the other hand, the Line 6 stuff decimates in the studio once you get a feel for it.

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Tuesday Jan 02, 2007

All this amp talk made me have to post something. I was a diehard Mesa Boogie user for a long time. They never gave me any issues and they always sounded great. The only reason that I don't currently have a Mesa Boogie in my arsenal is that I plugged into an Orange Rockerverb 100. That is my sound.

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Tuesday Jan 02, 2007

To post on topic, I was actually at this show as well and I didn't hear any noticeable diffeence in volume from band to band. I did notice a change in tones. That could provide a percieved difference in "volume" when it's actually just different frequencies that are being accented.