Rush Limbaugh is a putrid piece of human waste ...

[BDR]

Wow ... I must've missed the story on the wire where Bert Evil was appointed Bush's new press secretary ...



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[BDR]

Regarding the Kerry quote, it is what it is! Simply removing words and inserting others does not make an exclusive Bush joke.

Ladies and gentlemen ... introducing the one person in the history of the world who never said something that came out the wrong way ... BERT EVIL!!!

(pundit, pundit, pundit ...)

As Frank said, Bush and Kerry = both idiots. I'm not sure how this turned into a "who's the better retard" debate, but I'm not a Kerry supporter and I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, I'm just trying to make an observation of the situation and do it objectively, politics aside. The man stepped on his dick. He should've apologized right away because of the way his words came out, but didn't. The GOPs are scrambling to use it to their advantage in this last week before mid-term elections but, news flash, the Dems have used it to distance themselves from the idiot. Republicans will still lose those seats but we will remain "stuck in Iraq" until the chief retard is either impeached or his term runs out.

Good news, Kerry can't do any more damage and Bush will be gone soon ... I just hope whoever wins the White House in '08 can figure out a way to clean up this incredible mess and get our troops the f@#k out of this 5,000-year-old war zone.

We don't belong there ...

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[f.sciarrillo]

I just hope whoever wins the White House in '08 can figure out a way to clean up this incredible mess and get our troops the f@#k out of this 5,000-year-old war zone.

We don't belong there ...

r:>)

Agree .. You can't stop a fight that has been going on for centuries. Bush had the right intentions of removing a terrorist dictator, but, he should have just got him out and left.

We should be focusing our attention on getting getting the real criminal, not be stuck in a country that will benefit Bush and his oil buddies. Kill the head and you will see the rest of the chain fall.

[RobTheDrummer]

You people don't understand why we should not pull out right away. Sure, it seems like a mess sometimes. But if we give up, we totally give up on the Iraqi people. We allow a new terrorist state to be formed. We give up on trying to create democracy between Iran and Syria. We end up with more of a mess than was before it. If we keep training the Iraqis and guide them towards a democracy, other countries in the region will eventually want to have that as well. This shit doesn't happen over night. We pull out, the terrorists will then be reinforced that with a little action, then can defeat us anytime, anywhere. Sure, there have been wars goin on for thousands of years there. I think it's pretty valiant that we want to stop that shit and help others be free. It doesn't matter whether you are democrat or republican on this issue. We should keep helping the region. Both sides voted for this war, but it seems only one side want's to hold up on their end of the bargain only because of politics and not beliefs.

[BDR]

You people don't understand why we should not pull out right away. Sure, it seems like a mess sometimes. But if we give up, we totally give up on the Iraqi people. We allow a new terrorist state to be formed. We give up on trying to create democracy between Iran and Syria. We end up with more of a mess than was before it. If we keep training the Iraqis and guide them towards a democracy, other countries in the region will eventually want to have that as well. This shit doesn't happen over night. We pull out, the terrorists will then be reinforced that with a little action, then can defeat us anytime, anywhere. Sure, there have been wars goin on for thousands of years there. I think it's pretty valiant that we want to stop that shit and help others be free. It doesn't matter whether you are democrat or republican on this issue. We should keep helping the region. Both sides voted for this war, but it seems only one side want's to hold up on their end of the bargain only because of politics and not beliefs.

Frankly, I don't give a $hit about the Iraqi people. They're not our problem. Sorry, it's been war and chaos for thousands of years and it will be the same for thousands of years after the "Bush cleansing."

Why do you think there is an insurgency? Because they don't want to be occupied. Of course, Mr. Bush thinks and would have you believe otherwise. Remember the movie "Red Dawn"? If someone came into this country to try and stage an occupation like we're doing right now in Iraq, are you telling me you wouldn't do exactly what the insurgents are doing? If you say no, you're a f@#king liar.

BTW, insurgents and terrorists are two different things. This administration would have you believe they are one in the same.

As for your, "we pull out, the terrorists will then be reinforced that with a little action, they can defeat us anytime, anywhere" philosophy, here's another news flash: Terrorism has existed for thousands of years and will continue to exist long after Mr. Bush's "war or terror." What a joke — the “war on terror.” This guy said in his address to the joint session of Congress and the nation following the Sept. 11 attacks:

“Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success.”

In other words, we’re going to do a bunch of $hit without telling the American people what and you’ll agree to it, because you’re scared. Hell, after we invade Iraq, let’s introduce something like the Patriot Act and systematically strip the American people of each of their civil liberties, one by one.

He goes on (and this is my favorite):

“Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

This reminds me of something ...

“Either you’re with me or you are my enemy.”
Anakin Skywalker to Obi-Wan Kenobi

“Only a Sith deals in absolutes.”
Obi-Wan’s response to Anakin

This Republican fear machine, churning since 9/12/01, which results in things like not being able to take toothpaste onto planes and kids getting suspended from school for having nail clippers in their backpacks, makes me sickest of all. Reality: If a plot is hatched to blow up a building or hijack airplanes or something, they’re either going to pull it off or we’ll find out about it and stifle it. Simple as that. No amount of self righteous crusading is going to change that.

Bush's “war on terror” is just a blank check to attack whichever country he pleases and it's bull$hit. Meantime, more and more kids — that’s right, kids — are dying over there for a hopeless cause. Yes, both sides voted for this war, waged based on a lie, but since the real truth was revealed about our “reason” for attacking Iraq (where’s them there WMDs again? Still looking , I guess ...) support has waned dramatically ... on BOTH sides. Most GOPs up for re-election are distancing themselves from Bush and his “policies.” Incumbents like Santorum who are going to lose their seats are being blasted with campaign ads stating, “he voted with Bush 98 percent of the time.” That’s murder for a campaign these days.

What should we be doing? Defending the borders. Defending our homeland. We should be doing these two things with our troops stateside. But no, we’re going to build a big, long wall. Genius.

We attacked Afghanistan as retribution for 9/11 and we should've. The whole world stood back and watched us "get ours" and no one held it against us. Now, most of the world is just pissed at us. This “war on terror” has done nothing but kick the hornet’s nests of the world (North Korea, Iran, etc.) where “nu-cu-lar” testing has stepped up. These nations fear they are next, so they’re doing what they’re doing to prepare, I suppose. I don’t like the idea of someone like Kim Jong Il having nukes anymore than the next guy — he's nuts — but what do you expect to happen when our “commander-in-chief” is walking around like he owns the place (Earth)?

You said, "You people don't understand ..." I understand what's going on, I just don't happen to agree with you. Yeah, "dubya" has us in a pickle and immediate pullout isn't possible at this point, but we need an exit plan now — one in terms of months. There is none and won't be until all the retards in this administration are gone from their positions of power.

Please Rob, keep doing your part in propagating the Bush fear machine. Meantime, I’ll be casting some important votes next week, the first step in the cleansing of America.

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[RobTheDrummer]

You know, it's that "I don't give a fuck about them" attitude that creates terrorism. Also, the insurgents are not the Iraqi people, they are the Syrian and Iranian terrorists that do not want a democracy in Iraq. The Iraqi people want to be free. Do you remember how happy they were the day we got rid of Saddam? That would hurt the terrorists cause to have a free country in the middle of them.

[BDR]

You know, it's that "I don't give a fuck about them" attitude that creates terrorism. Also, the insurgents are not the Iraqi people, they are the Syrian and Iranian terrorists that do not want a democracy in Iraq. The Iraqi people want to be free. Do you remember how happy they were the day we got rid of Saddam? That would hurt the terrorists cause to have a free country in the middle of them.

First off, hate creates terrorism. I don't hate the Iraqis, but at the same time, how they live and what they do over there doesn't concern me. Also, the Iraqis didn't attack us on 9/11, al Queda did, but I guess we've all forgotten about Osama bin Laden. Well, the Bush administration has, at least.

As far as remembering "how happy they were" when we took out Saddam, I don't know. I wasn't there. Were you? Fox News and dubya told you they were happy. They also told you, "Mission Accomplished."

Rob, if you'd kindly take off your rose-colored glasses for a moment, I'll share something with you: There will never be a free country in the middle of Iran and Syria, no matter what Bush says he's gonna do.

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[bassist_25]

I try to just flush a cherry bomb down the toilets of these political threads and then exit the lav as quickly as possible, but I'll throw out a few points here:

1. Countries never go to war for humanitarian reasons; there's always some sort of strategic reason for invading a country. Wars are expensive in terms of both manpower and finance. I think that it's niave to think that we're in Iraq just because our government wants to see the spread of democracy. I don't have any hard empirical proof of why we're in Iraq. I've been trying to figure that one out for the past couple of years - But I'll take an educated guess. Iraq = Puppet State.

2. The war was never sold to the American public as a liberation campaign. It was suppose to be a war in search of WMDs. Being an empiricist, I was skeptical of the weapons' existence, but I decided to give the government the benefit of the doubt when we first went in. Hey, I don't have access to classified CIA files; maybe the government knew something that we didn't. Well, the truth came out a long time ago that they didn't know anymore than we did. That's about the time that this all became a "Liberation Caimpaign." It helped all of those people who were experiencing cognitive dissonance over the lack of WMDs: They then had a justification to change their attitudes. Now we're stuck in a country with no exit strategy. Pulling out would make things a bigger cluster fuck than what it already is. I just hope that our men don't lose hope and meaning in what they are doing over there.

[Banned]

During a fincacial roundtable news show this morning, it was generally agreed upon that if Dems win and we cut and run outa Iraq, they predicted the price of oil could skyrocket to over $90.00 a barrell.

If we were paying over $3.00 per gallon when the price peaked at $78.00 per barrell, just wait until you are paying over $4 and maybe $5.00 per gallon for regular gas.

This would be undoubtable be terrible for the economy, and the stock market.

Another point: Osama did write that Iraq is the most important front in his war against the USA. It did not start out as a war against Islamic terrorists, but it is now. Better there that here I think.

[RobTheDrummer]

I try to just flush a cherry bomb down the toilets of these political threads and then exit the lav as quickly as possible, but I'll throw out a few points here:

1. Countries never go to war for humanitarian reasons; there's always some sort of strategic reason for invading a country. Wars are expensive in terms of both manpower and finance. I think that it's niave to think that we're in Iraq just because our government wants to see the spread of democracy. I don't have any hard empirical proof of why we're in Iraq. I've been trying to figure that one out for the past couple of years - But I'll take an educated guess. Iraq = Puppet State.

2. The war was never sold to the American public as a liberation campaign. It was suppose to be a war in search of WMDs. Being an empiricist, I was skeptical of the weapons' existence, but I decided to give the government the benefit of the doubt when we first went in. Hey, I don't have access to classified CIA files; maybe the government knew something that we didn't. Well, the truth came out a long time ago that they didn't know anymore than we did. That's about the time that this all became a "Liberation Caimpaign." It helped all of those people who were experiencing cognitive dissonance over the lack of WMDs: They then had a justification to change their attitudes. Now we're stuck in a country with no exit strategy. Pulling out would make things a bigger cluster fuck than what it already is. I just hope that our men don't lose hope and meaning in what they are doing over there.

First off, Saddam did have weapons before. Everyone knows that. Everyone thought that he still had them, I believe he did and they took them to Syria. Believe what you want, but both sides of the coin voted to have this war. During times like we had a few Septembers ago, we are reminded that we have to act in order to curb any future attacks. You would rather sit around and hope nothing happens, rather than make sure nothing happens? That's why I'm afraid of the democrats. They will pull out, let Iraq become a complete disaster, let a new terrorist state be created by radical muslims, these radicals will cause our oil to rocket, they will unite with other radical countries, they will be joined to spread evil radical thinking, they will go after Israel and not worry about us, because they know we'll give up easy. So here's the thing, both sides voted for the war. Now we are there in a situation where we should not pull out. We can't change the past, so there should be no more bitchin about the war. We need to find out how to win the war. What is our main goal over there? Well the training of the Iraqis and putting thier government in place is already in order. The people blowing all the shit up over there are brainwashed by al-jazeera and extreme muslims. They think we are trying to take over the world, which is far from the truth.

Anyways, what is the democratic plan? And for what reason?

[Sapo]

That's the liberal media for ya!

Give me a break Rob. The media [THE VERY CONSERVATIVE (every major network) MEDIA] jumped all over it.

Ummm. I try to stay out of political discussions but if you think the network news is conservative, you are not being objective.

[Bert|Evil]

Wow ... I must've missed the story on the wire where Bert Evil was appointed Bush's new press secretary ...

Actually, my eyes are set on SECDEF. I couldn’t go a week under the Press Secretary position without wiping my ass with Helen Thomas’ face.

Regarding the Kerry quote, it is what it is! Simply removing words and inserting others does not make an exclusive Bush joke.

Ladies and gentlemen ... introducing the one person in the history of the world who never said something that came out the wrong way ... BERT EVIL!!!

Caution: Low hanging fruit ahead!

“I have nothing better to keystroke” would have been a better response.

[Bert|Evil]

That's the liberal media for ya!

Give me a break Rob. The media [THE VERY CONSERVATIVE (every major network) MEDIA] jumped all over it.

Ummm. I try to stay out of political discussions but if you think the network news is conservative, you are not being objective.

Yeah Hawk, smoke another one! Everyone knows that the Conservatives own a very small slither of the overall media pie chart.

[RobTheDrummer]

The only area where conservatives are allowed to speak their opinion is radio, other than that, glenn beck.

[songsmith]

...and Fox News. The major networks are pretty down-the-middle, otherwise we'd have never heard about the Clinton/Lewinsky thing nonstop for years. They go wherever there's a story to sensationalize. it only seems liberal if you're a Dittohead. In fact, Rush coined the phrase, "liberal media," and now that it's cliched and passe, he moved on to ,"drive-by media."
I'd also like to point out that Plush and Spinnity and O'Really all claim more than 10 million listeners per week (Rush claims 20 million). That's mainstream, dude. They also rack up 3 hours each of lockstep-duckstep monologizing, totalling 15 hours per week (Spinnity also gets 5 hrs on his TV show). Each broadcast network gets 5 weeknight hours per week and an hour on Sunday. They have much more time to distribute koolaid than the "liberal media." In fact, if the GOP loses control of Congress, listen for the words,"the Fairness Doctrine" in the news more. It would give both sides equal time on media, something the Republicans didn't want during their tenure on top.
I'll say it again. America will speak on Tuesday. There are polls now saying the Repubs could ostensibly keep the Senate, and will likely lose the House, but it's not written in stone. There's also a poll saying the defining issue is Iraq, by a very large majority, and that doesn't bode well for those who put us there, whatever their affiliation. So when America speaks, the losers will have to eat crow, and admit that America really knows what's best for itself. Even if I'm the one chowing down.----->JMS

[RobTheDrummer]

Hey, don't forget Michael Savage. He's number one all over the place. He's the best!

[Banned]

Thank God for Fox News. I stopped watching the evening news about 12 years ago, their liberal viewpoint was dripping out of their mouths and no one ever got real objective news.

It has been shown in many surveys that about 92% of all the newspeople in the big 4 major media (ABS, NBC, CBS, CNN) are registered Democrats and vote Democrat. If you think these people are giving you straight unadulterated news, I have some great swamp land to sell you.

Best guys on the radio are Neal Boortz, a Libertarian and G. Gordon Liddy, surprisingly intelligent on many topics.

[Sapo]

...and Fox News. The major networks are pretty down-the-middle, otherwise we'd have never heard about the Clinton/Lewinsky thing nonstop for years. They go wherever there's a story to sensationalize. it only seems liberal if you're a Dittohead. In fact, Rush coined the phrase, "liberal media," and now that it's cliched and passe, he moved on to ,"drive-by media."
I'd also like to point out that Plush and Spinnity and O'Really all claim more than 10 million listeners per week (Rush claims 20 million). That's mainstream, dude. They also rack up 3 hours each of lockstep-duckstep monologizing, totalling 15 hours per week (Spinnity also gets 5 hrs on his TV show). Each broadcast network gets 5 weeknight hours per week and an hour on Sunday. They have much more time to distribute koolaid than the "liberal media." In fact, if the GOP loses control of Congress, listen for the words,"the Fairness Doctrine" in the news more. It would give both sides equal time on media, something the Republicans didn't want during their tenure on top.
I'll say it again. America will speak on Tuesday. There are polls now saying the Repubs could ostensibly keep the Senate, and will likely lose the House, but it's not written in stone. There's also a poll saying the defining issue is Iraq, by a very large majority, and that doesn't bode well for those who put us there, whatever their affiliation. So when America speaks, the losers will have to eat crow, and admit that America really knows what's best for itself. Even if I'm the one chowing down.----->JMS

Down the middle! Ha! That is demonstrably false. Look, if you have to use silly names for the radio guys how can anyone take you seriously?

Truth be told, those guys aren't journalists and they don't pretend to be. And as far as fairness doctrine goes, they are it - the counterbalance to the network news and most major newspapers in this country. Talk radio came about as a response to people not getting the other side from the so called "down the middle" mainstream media. Fox is another example. Even with these guys the network news still reaches more people...but it is changing. Now that people have talk radio and the internet the liberal media cabal no longer has a stranglehold on what info gets disseminated.

Your argument about america knowing what is best for itself is true - look at the steady decline of large newspapers, network news, and air america...then look at the growth of fox, talk radio, and news sources like drudge. looks like america gets it after all.

As far as Iraq goes...if americans don't grasp that we are fighting a proxy war there against iran/radical islam and that we are smack dab in the middle of world war III - an ideological war where its either gonna be their way of life or our way of life - then I fear we in for some hard times ahead. We aren't currently fighting it like an all out war, much to our peril.

[songsmith]

I see, and Fox News is the truth. Fair and Balanced. And conservative (pronounced "right-wing extremist) talk-radio is only meant to entertainment. No propaganda there, huh? Those guys are just Bob and Tom in the afternoon, right? Wacky, laugh-a-minute zaniness meant to while away a boring workday. Look out, Howard Stern, here comes an Oxycontin-addicted hypocrite with his self-righteous rants and unnerving denial of anything un-Republican. Oh, he's being followed by a self-styled bully who invites people to "debate," then uses an auto-ducker to make his screaming seem louder. They both have numerous "handlers" who screen calls to insure they only get responses they covered in morning meeting. On the other channel, a magnanimous "no-spin" champion who seldom strays from the party line, other than the occasional unwanted advance on a female producer.
Don't take me seriously because I give them funny names. Take me seriously because they polarize voters... to the other side. America isn't voting Democrat because of the so-called Liberal media, they're business as usual. Talk radio hosts piss people off... enough to vote differently. ----------->JMS

[BDR]

Both sides voted for this war, but it seems only one side want's to hold up on their end of the bargain only because of politics and not beliefs.

Believe what you want, but both sides of the coin voted to have this war.

So here's the thing, both sides voted for the war.

If you keep repeating this over and over, people will eventually forget that the Bush administration lied to get us in to this war, all the while, waving the Stars and Stripes in the air, basically whoring out Old Glory and the memory of those who died on 9/11 to push its twisted agenda.

The war was never sold to the American public as a liberation campaign. It was suppose to be a war in search of WMDs.

Yeah, that's the way I remember it. That's the way history will remember it, too, long after the lies and deceit have faded away.

First off, Saddam did have weapons before. Everyone knows that.

Rob, the debriefing I received from the CIA did not cover this area. I guess you're getting better intelligence than I am. You speculate and back nothing up. Years of UN inspections turned up nothing and when that wasn't good enough, Bush rambles in, blows everything up, kills thousands of innocent civilians (these unfortunate people we care so much about and want to liberate) and finds ... oh, that's right ... nothing.

Facts.

Someone nudge me when a good point is made.

Go out and vote tomorrow, people. For the love of God.

r:>)

[BDR]

I couldn’t go a week under the Press Secretary position without wiping my ass with Helen Thomas’ face.

That's funny right there ...

r:>)

[BDR]

Wow ... I must've missed the story on the wire where Bert Evil was appointed Bush's new press secretary ...

Actually, my eyes are set on SECDEF. I couldn’t go a week under the Press Secretary position without wiping my ass with Helen Thomas’ face.

Regarding the Kerry quote, it is what it is! Simply removing words and inserting others does not make an exclusive Bush joke.

Ladies and gentlemen ... introducing the one person in the history of the world who never said something that came out the wrong way ... BERT EVIL!!!

Caution: Low hanging fruit ahead!

“I have nothing better to keystroke” would have been a better response.

If you're going to quote me to attack my viewpoint, please edit out as much of my post as necessary to suit your needs ...

As Frank said, Bush and Kerry = both idiots. I'm not sure how this turned into a "who's the better retard" debate, but I'm not a Kerry supporter and I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, I'm just trying to make an observation of the situation and do it objectively, politics aside. The man stepped on his dick. He should've apologized right away because of the way his words came out, but didn't. The GOPs are scrambling to use it to their advantage in this last week before mid-term elections but, news flash, the Dems have used it to distance themselves from the idiot. Republicans will still lose those seats but we will remain "stuck in Iraq" until the chief retard is either impeached or his term runs out.

Good news, Kerry can't do any more damage and Bush will be gone soon ... I just hope whoever wins the White House in '08 can figure out a way to clean up this incredible mess and get our troops the f@#k out of this 5,000-year-old war zone.

We don't belong there ...

r:>)

[Sapo]

I see, and Fox News is the truth. Fair and Balanced. And conservative (pronounced "right-wing extremist) talk-radio is only meant to entertainment. No propaganda there, huh? Those guys are just Bob and Tom in the afternoon, right? Wacky, laugh-a-minute zaniness meant to while away a boring workday. Look out, Howard Stern, here comes an Oxycontin-addicted hypocrite with his self-righteous rants and unnerving denial of anything un-Republican. Oh, he's being followed by a self-styled bully who invites people to "debate," then uses an auto-ducker to make his screaming seem louder. They both have numerous "handlers" who screen calls to insure they only get responses they covered in morning meeting. On the other channel, a magnanimous "no-spin" champion who seldom strays from the party line, other than the occasional unwanted advance on a female producer.
Don't take me seriously because I give them funny names. Take me seriously because they polarize voters... to the other side. America isn't voting Democrat because of the so-called Liberal media, they're business as usual. Talk radio hosts piss people off... enough to vote differently. ----------->JMS

Dude you are way too angry. Its gonna burn you out. seems like your real issues are with talk radio. listen to air america and npr...that should cheer you up. btw, truth is the truth...its just that the media puts whatever spin they want on it...if they cover it at all. the first amendment is great but it does require us as citizens to think critically and independently.

[Banned]

I see, and Fox News is the truth. Fair and Balanced. And conservative (pronounced "right-wing extremist) talk-radio is only meant to entertainment. No propaganda there, huh? Those guys are just Bob and Tom in the afternoon, right? Wacky, laugh-a-minute zaniness meant to while away a boring workday. Look out, Howard Stern, here comes an Oxycontin-addicted hypocrite with his self-righteous rants and unnerving denial of anything un-Republican. Oh, he's being followed by a self-styled bully who invites people to "debate," then uses an auto-ducker to make his screaming seem louder. They both have numerous "handlers" who screen calls to insure they only get responses they covered in morning meeting. On the other channel, a magnanimous "no-spin" champion who seldom strays from the party line, other than the occasional unwanted advance on a female producer.
Don't take me seriously because I give them funny names. Take me seriously because they polarize voters... to the other side. America isn't voting Democrat because of the so-called Liberal media, they're business as usual. Talk radio hosts piss people off... enough to vote differently. ----------->JMS

We all get it. You do not like conservatives and hate conservative radio show jocks. But they are up front, they tell you they are conservatives. If you were a conservative you would agree with some of what they say.

(ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN) have news readers who are 90% liberal, and that 90% was from one of their own surveys. These spin heads do not tell you that they are liberal. All their freinds and co-workers are liberal so they think the same way all their associates think, so they say they are middle of the road. NOT.

The ratings of the above mentioned TV news shows have been declining for years. The New York Times just reported a 8% circulation loss for the last year, as well as most large city (which almost all are extremely liberal) newspapers.

The Fox Morning show which is only on cable, has a larger rating than some of the free TV alphabits morning shows. Many people are getting sick of their liberal agendas being shoved on them and turn to Fox. Fox is gaining every rating period. Why?? The alphabits are not objective nor middle of the road as they profess.

You like Fox, you lean conservative.

You like Wolf Blitzer, you lean liberal.

[songsmith]

Okay, let's go over this again.
Me= incredibly conservative on issues like Affirmative Action, gun control, immigration, eminent domain, hunting & such, offshore & Alaskan oil drilling, and others. Libertarian on issues like beans, search and seizure, property use, and others. Liberal on a woman's choice, seperation of church and state, corporate/government hanky-panky, and others.
For instance, I do not support gay marriage (con), but have no problem with gay people per se. Put your weiner wherever you like, I'm really completely unconcerned. I'm not gay, but I can see how people are gay. However, I am married, and I want that to be a hetero thing only.
See? I consider the issue, then make my decision based on my personal views, education, and scope. I'm not affiliated with any political party, because I see that as a group of people who either join to benefit one another financially, or to pat one another on the back for agreeing.
As for being angry... many Rockpagers have known me for many years... I'm talkative, animated, smart-assed, annoying, obsessed, overly enthusiastic, glib, boorish, lazy, goofy, and a lot of other things, but very few people have ever seen me really truly angry. Just frustrated. That's what people see. Like I said, I'm really enjoying this political stuff, moreso than I ever did as a young guy... who'd have thought there'd be a spirited political debate on the website that brought on my Internet addiction. -------->JMS