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[Banned]

It opened the year at around $3.05, went to the all time average high of $4.11 by July and then plummeted to an average price of $1.61 by year end.

In case anybody is interested, the average price of gasoline was $1.85 per gallon when Obama took office.

Hmmm, when Bush started, the ANNUAL AVERAGE price of gasoline was $1.46, and it started 2008 at $3.05? This means that the ANNUAL AVERAGE price of gasoline MORE THAN DOUBLED before 2008 even started.
MORE THAN DOUBLED.
MORE THAN DOUBLED.
Using YOUR fudgy numbers, by the time it hit it's peak, it had gone from $1.46 to $4.11, or a gain of $2.65. (281.506%)
Using Obama's starting point (when we were still feeling the effects of the collapse strongly, by your own previous assessments), call me when gasoline reaches $5.10 per gallon.
Wait don't call me then, either, unless you're comparing apples to apples.
Myth BUSTED.

Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.

Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.

Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.

Comrade stumpy loves his MYTHS.

[lonewolf]

It opened the year at around $3.05, went to the all time average high of $4.11 by July and then plummeted to an average price of $1.61 by year end.

In case anybody is interested, the average price of gasoline was $1.85 per gallon when Obama took office.

Hmmm, when Bush started, the ANNUAL AVERAGE price of gasoline was $1.46, and it started 2008 at $3.05? This means that the ANNUAL AVERAGE price of gasoline MORE THAN DOUBLED before 2008 even started.
MORE THAN DOUBLED.
MORE THAN DOUBLED.
Using YOUR fudgy numbers, by the time it hit it's peak, it had gone from $1.46 to $4.11, or a gain of $2.65. (281.506%)
Using Obama's starting point (when we were still feeling the effects of the collapse strongly, by your own previous assessments), call me when gasoline reaches $5.10 per gallon.
Wait don't call me then, either, unless you're comparing apples to apples.
Myth BUSTED.

My fudgy numbers come from the U.S. Dept. of energy.

I'd like to introduce to you another factor that you conveniently left out: TIME. When comparing apples to apples, you have to factor for time, which you did not. That means you are comparing apples to some other fruit, shall we say bananas?

Enlightened with this new information, you can go back and re-calculate the percentage increases on an annualized basis so that you are accurately comparing 8 years to 3 years. Give you a hint...multiply Bush percentage numbers by 3/8 or Obama numbers by 8/3.

[songsmith]

[I'd like to introduce to you another factor that you conveniently left out: TIME. When comparing apples to apples, you have to factor for time, which you did not. That means you are comparing apples to some other fruit, shall we say bananas?

Good point. You cannot say that Obama's gas prices are worse than Bush's YET.
Call me after Obama's second term.
Republican math is way easier than the real thing. All you have to do is ignore the parts you don't agree with.

[songsmith]

Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.

Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.

Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.

Comrade stumpy loves his MYTHS.

I love the smell of desperation and mental illness. Smells like...
Victory.

[f.sciarrillo]

Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.

Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.

Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.

All things that Johnny believes.

[lonewolf]

[I'd like to introduce to you another factor that you conveniently left out: TIME. When comparing apples to apples, you have to factor for time, which you did not. That means you are comparing apples to some other fruit, shall we say bananas?

Good point. You cannot say that Obama's gas prices are worse than Bush's YET.
Call me after Obama's second term.
Republican math is way easier than the real thing. All you have to do is ignore the parts you don't agree with.

I guess fractions are too hard.

Using YOUR fudgy numbers, by the time it hit it's peak, it had gone from $1.46 to $4.11, or a gain of $2.65. (281.506%)

To compensate 8 years for a 3 year period, that is 3/8 X 281.5% = 105.6%

Of course, that's on a one-month price spike, not on the whole year's average. I'd rather pay $4.11 for one month and $3.16 for the rest of the year than pay $3.56 all year.

Don't worry, we aren't even close to driving season yet. As we type, the June 2012 RBOB contract is at $3.17...add $0.70 to get the pump price and you get $3.87 which will sell for $3.899. The best is yet to come.

[Banned]

Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.

Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.

Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.

All things that Johnny believes.

That is his daily prayer.

[songsmith]

To compensate 8 years for a 3 year period, that is 3/8 X 281.5% = 105.6%

Of course, that's on a one-month price spike, not on the whole year's average. I'd rather pay $4.11 for one month and $3.16 for the rest of the year than pay $3.56 all year.

Don't worry, we aren't even close to driving season yet. As we type, the June 2012 RBOB contract is at $3.17...add $0.70 to get the pump price and you get $3.87 which will sell for $3.899. The best is yet to come.

Somehow, you're managing to pro-rate bullcrap. Gasoline prices are lower now than they were in July of 2008. By a fair margin. Gasoline prices started at a lower point and peaked at a higher point under Bush, too. The rest is switcheroo. You guys are really something sometimes.

[Banned]

“The rate of unemployment in the United States has exceeded 8 percent since February 2009, making the past three years the longest stretch of high unemployment in this country since the Great Depression. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the unemployment rate will remain above 8 percent until 2014. The official unemployment rate excludes those individuals who would like to work but have not searched for a job in the past four weeks as well as those who are working part-time but would prefer full-time work; if those people were counted among the unemployed, the unemployment rate in January 2012 would have been about 15 percent. Compounding the problem of high unemployment, the share of unemployed people looking for work for more than six months—referred to as the long-term unemployed—topped 40 percent in December 2009 for the first time since 1948, when such data began to be collected; it has remained above that level ever since.”

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/unemployment/ ... z1makTEZer

[lonewolf]

To compensate 8 years for a 3 year period, that is 3/8 X 281.5% = 105.6%

Of course, that's on a one-month price spike, not on the whole year's average. I'd rather pay $4.11 for one month and $3.16 for the rest of the year than pay $3.56 all year.

Don't worry, we aren't even close to driving season yet. As we type, the June 2012 RBOB contract is at $3.17...add $0.70 to get the pump price and you get $3.87 which will sell for $3.899. The best is yet to come.

Somehow, you're managing to pro-rate bullcrap. Gasoline prices are lower now than they were in July of 2008. By a fair margin. Gasoline prices started at a lower point and peaked at a higher point under Bush, too. The rest is switcheroo. You guys are really something sometimes.

I knew it! Fractions are too hard.

So you are saying is that there is a consumer advantage to paying an average of $3.56 per gallon in one year versus paying an average of $3.24 per gallon in another (adjusted for inflation)?

But of course, its an honor and privilege to pay more for gasoline whilst Obama is president...the gas is blessed!

*pokes gas can containing blessed gasoline*

BTW, gasoline prices have ALWAYS been lower than they were in July of 2008...it was a spike that lasted all of one month. Statistically, its as significant as when the Much Maligned Mark Malone held the Steeler record for the longest TD pass---as a receiver.

[Banned]

Obamunism and big government statism:

"Today, an astounding 48 percent of all Americans are considered to be either "low income" or are living in poverty.....

Back in 1967, 97 percent of all U.S. men with a high school degree between the ages of 30 and 50 had jobs. Today, that figure is down to 76 percent....

The percentage of "low income jobs" just continues to climb. Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs."

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... can-worker

[songsmith]

So you are saying is that there is a consumer advantage to paying an average of $3.56 per gallon in one year versus paying an average of $3.24 per gallon in another (adjusted for inflation)?

But of course, its an honor and privilege to pay more for gasoline whilst Obama is president...the gas is blessed!

*pokes gas can containing blessed gasoline*

BTW, gasoline prices have ALWAYS been lower than they were in July of 2008...it was a spike that lasted all of one month. Statistically, its as significant as when the Much Maligned Mark Malone held the Steeler record for the longest TD pass---as a receiver.

Blah-blah-blah-spin-spin-blah-blah-dodge-blah-blah-sidestepping-blah-blah. Feel free to post what you hear on your media, it's their job to fill mushy heads full of cherry-picked figures that make them feel superior... but the price of gasoline started at a lower price, and peaked at a much higher price. In addition, at the time YOU, specifically, used the bottled-water analogy... that gasoline was STILL cheaper than bottled water, per gallon. If it's high now, it was higher then. Pick a side.
Also,you're completely ignoring the economic destruction that crashed the price in fall 2008. Statistically, it was historic, Duh. Focusing on the crash side of pricing like it was a good thing is SO Fox News.
You can massage numbers all you want in your favor. If I quoted the century-average for the price of gasoline, it might be 75 cents or lower. So what?
This all boils down to a flagging interest in neoconservatism. Last misinformational throes of a losing strategy. Rhetoric from the right is going to to be screaming like a teakettle this summer, because there's little future for the former Tea Party. They're trying to re-litigate the birth-control issue (using men-only, no less) that we solved in the early 70's, at the latest. They're posing the Keystone XL pipeline as a "job-creator" by incorrectly saying there's an oil shortage in America (there isn't, and never was). They're painting a falling unemployment rate and cracking stock market as economic collapse. Getting Gaddafi, bin Laden, Al Awlaki, and other terrorists is now poor foreign policy. Fox News escapades result in high ratings... for Jon Stewart. Wedge-issue after wedge-issue is getting down-voted in the public arena.
This is desperate posing by someone who stuck their neck out for an ideology that failed. The honorable thing to do, but so is going down with your ship.

[Hawk]

Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.

Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.

Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.

All things that Johnny believes.

The best economy in decades is true ! The top companies and the top % ARE making RECORD PROFTIS. Where's the trickle down we have been promised since Reagan ?

[Hawk]

Obamunism and big government statism:

"Today, an astounding 48 percent of all Americans are considered to be either "low income" or are living in poverty.....

No Shit ? !!. Top companies ARE making record profits RIGHT NOW ! Their economy is GREAT ! So who's fault is it that the laborer is getting screwed ? The ones who run an undercover class war on the middle class. The one per-centers...

[hicksjd9]

The rich are hoarding the money. To assume that the rich have America's best interest in mind is beyond laughable.

[lonewolf]

So you are saying is that there is a consumer advantage to paying an average of $3.56 per gallon in one year versus paying an average of $3.24 per gallon in another (adjusted for inflation)?

But of course, its an honor and privilege to pay more for gasoline whilst Obama is president...the gas is blessed!

*pokes gas can containing blessed gasoline*

BTW, gasoline prices have ALWAYS been lower than they were in July of 2008...it was a spike that lasted all of one month. Statistically, its as significant as when the Much Maligned Mark Malone held the Steeler record for the longest TD pass---as a receiver.

Blah-blah-blah-spin-spin-blah-blah-dodge-blah-blah-sidestepping-blah-blah. Feel free to post what you hear on your media, it's their job to fill mushy heads full of cherry-picked figures that make them feel superior... but the price of gasoline started at a lower price, and peaked at a much higher price. In addition, at the time YOU, specifically, used the bottled-water analogy... that gasoline was STILL cheaper than bottled water, per gallon. If it's high now, it was higher then. Pick a side.
Also,you're completely ignoring the economic destruction that crashed the price in fall 2008. Statistically, it was historic, Duh. Focusing on the crash side of pricing like it was a good thing is SO Fox News.
You can massage numbers all you want in your favor. If I quoted the century-average for the price of gasoline, it might be 75 cents or lower. So what?
This all boils down to a flagging interest in neoconservatism. Last misinformational throes of a losing strategy. Rhetoric from the right is going to to be screaming like a teakettle this summer, because there's little future for the former Tea Party. They're trying to re-litigate the birth-control issue (using men-only, no less) that we solved in the early 70's, at the latest. They're posing the Keystone XL pipeline as a "job-creator" by incorrectly saying there's an oil shortage in America (there isn't, and never was). They're painting a falling unemployment rate and cracking stock market as economic collapse. Getting Gaddafi, bin Laden, Al Awlaki, and other terrorists is now poor foreign policy. Fox News escapades result in high ratings... for Jon Stewart. Wedge-issue after wedge-issue is getting down-voted in the public arena.
This is desperate posing by someone who stuck their neck out for an ideology that failed. The honorable thing to do, but so is going down with your ship.

That and $3.70 will get you a gallon of gas.

[songsmith]

Back in 1967, 97 percent of all U.S. men with a high school degree between the ages of 30 and 50 had jobs. Today, that figure is down to 76 percent....

Back in 1967, Lyndon Baines Johnson was president. A Democrat.

The percentage of "low income jobs" just continues to climb. Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs. Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs."

First, since when do poor people work jobs? They're all on welfare, aren't they? Aren't your valuable tax dollars paying for their video games, cellphones, and methamphetamine?
Secondly, what do you think is going to happen to worker-pay when jobs are outsourced to slave-labor countries, dummy? What do you think is the outcome of union-busting? What is your expected result when an executive can take several hundred times the average wage, and gets bonuses for laying-off guys like YOU?
Burning down the apartment building and complaining about the homeless. Pretending you're not posting from a cardboard box over a steam grate.
Obama didn't sign your pink-slip. A "job-creator" did.

[songsmith]

That and $3.70 will get you a gallon of gas.

Not in July 2008. You'd have needed 69 more cents, around here.

[lonewolf]

That and $3.70 will get you a gallon of gas.

Not in July 2008. You'd have needed 69 more cents, around here.

Yes, and THAT and $3.70 will also get you a gallon of gas.

That brief period only lasted 1 or 2 fillups and then shot down to $1.70 by year end.

Now, you can look forward to $3.70 & up until further notice.

[songsmith]

Stick with that, dude. We'd expect nothing less.
Prices were very high all summer long, which is what led to the crash you're ignoring, but you have to cling to what you're told, and nothing else, so you run with that.

[songsmith]

$16 million bonus. For a month's work. It's good to be in the one-percent in 2012! Former Tea Party candidate, too.

http://money.msn.com/investing/hp-ceos- ... on-bonanza

[lonewolf]

Stick with that, dude. We'd expect nothing less.
Prices were very high all summer long, which is what led to the crash you're ignoring, but you have to cling to what you're told, and nothing else, so you run with that.

Awww, look, Obama had his own peak too...isn't that nice! Not quite as high, but just about! I guess we'll just forget about that, huh? How convenient! Only missed by 4 cents! Not bad for novice oil man, eh?

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/18/gaso ... 2011-peak/

The main difference is that we won't get a repeat of that cliff on the left of the chart. Nowhere to go but up! Along with cereal, bread, meat, cheese, poultry, vegetables, jeans, socks, shoes....and, heh, heh, heh....GOLD!

Oh well, that's what happens when you borrow way, way too much money and have to print your own private stash of dollars. It still finds its way into the economy even though there is "officially" low inflation. Keynesian smoke & mirrors.



http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

[Banned]

Stick with that, dude. We'd expect nothing less.
Prices were very high all summer long, which is what led to the crash you're ignoring, but you have to cling to what you're told, and nothing else, so you run with that.

Awww, look, Obama had his own peak too...isn't that nice! Not quite as high, but just about! I guess we'll just forget about that, huh? How convenient! Only missed by 4 cents! Not bad for novice oil man, eh?

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/18/gaso ... 2011-peak/

The main difference is that we won't get a repeat of that cliff on the left of the chart. Nowhere to go but up! Along with cereal, bread, meat, cheese, poultry, vegetables, jeans, socks, shoes....and, heh, heh, heh....GOLD!

Oh well, that's what happens when you borrow way, way too much money and have to print your own private stash of dollars. It still finds its way into the economy even though there is "officially" low inflation. Keynesian smoke & mirrors.



http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

Don't worry, the brainwashed will chug gallons of kool-aid and come up with some kind of spin to distract us from the facts.

[songsmith]

Awww, look, Obama had his own peak too...isn't that nice! Not quite as high, but just about!

Still spinning. Give up, you're making yourself look silly now. Even more than normal. Still doesn't reflect a fucking peak price, does it, Mr. Wizard? You see what you're told to see, it hurts your brain not to.



You are the new joe.

[songsmith]

$16 million bonus. For a month's work. It's good to be in the one-percent in 2012! Former Tea Party candidate, too.

http://money.msn.com/investing/hp-ceos- ... on-bonanza