THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Banned]

One big ole JOHNNY FAIL!

Like every one of his posts!

[Banned]

Nobama the Kenyan might not be on the Georgia ballot this November:

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politic ... 18374.html

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/0 ... nta-court/

[Hawk]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

You were tolerated at gigs because nobody want to start a political argument with you in a bar. Nobody wanted to be embarrassed by association with your stupid political beliefs in public.

Are you getting lots of friendly calls from your buddies? Why not? It's not just me.

It is my real friends that tell me what's being said. So yeah, I'm getting calls. BTW I've never started a political discussion when I'm out, if someone else does, I might join in.

In fact when I was out a Libertarian told me that your Libertarian views are not correct, that I shouldn't really pay attention to your points. I think you call him a friend too.

I was talking to another libertarian (who called) yesterday, who dropped off facebook because of you and his arguments with you and your general lack of understanding beyond being self centered and adopting all things Libertarian that supports a self centered ego. Honestly, I feel sorry for you.

But hey, if it inflates your ego to say you "tolerated" me, I'm glad I helped.

[songsmith]

[No, YOU said that. What I am saying that every time government provides an incentive that involves easy money (which is all too often), people will flock to it and take advantage of it.

I'd like to prevent this kind of behavior, but the only way to stop it from happening is to keep government out of the easy money business in the first place.

There is a reason why low-income people can't buy a house. Politicians can't change that.

One big ole JOHNNY FAIL!

You still haven't acknowedged the undeniable FACT that lenders ALWAYS had the ability to say NO.
Like always, you believe the predatory lenders (and indeed, all business) are blameless, and only taking advantage of the government's lax standards. This means that if rape was suddenly not being prosecuted (through the paid influence of government by those who enjoy raping), everyone should then rape.
There IS a reason why poor people can't buy a house... but the banks MADE MONEY giving them the ability to do so. That's why they did it, not some evil government forcing them to. Can you not see how ridiculous that sounds?
The only way to stop it is to PROSECUTE it, and PUNISH it. That's government's role, and it's what I elect tem to do: Protect the people. You guys love to parrot the rightwing talkshow mantra of Constitutionalism, that government's only role is to protect us, well, this is what they're supposed to be protecting us FROM. It's not the government of, by, and for business, or the criminally-free market, or any commercial concern. It's supposed to be the government of the people, by the people, for the people.[/b]

[songsmith]

One big ole JOHNNY FAIL!

Like every one of his posts!

YAWN. Brilliant post, Dimmy. Just profound, as always.

[lonewolf]

[No, YOU said that. What I am saying that every time government provides an incentive that involves easy money (which is all too often), people will flock to it and take advantage of it.

I'd like to prevent this kind of behavior, but the only way to stop it from happening is to keep government out of the easy money business in the first place.

There is a reason why low-income people can't buy a house. Politicians can't change that.

One big ole JOHNNY FAIL!

You still haven't acknowedged the undeniable FACT that lenders ALWAYS had the ability to say NO.
Like always, you believe the predatory lenders (and indeed, all business) are blameless, and only taking advantage of the government's lax standards. This means that if rape was suddenly not being prosecuted (through the paid influence of government by those who enjoy raping), everyone should then rape.
There IS a reason why poor people can't buy a house... but the banks MADE MONEY giving them the ability to do so. That's why they did it, not some evil government forcing them to. Can you not see how ridiculous that sounds?
The only way to stop it is to PROSECUTE it, and PUNISH it. That's government's role, and it's what I elect tem to do: Protect the people. You guys love to parrot the rightwing talkshow mantra of Constitutionalism, that government's only role is to protect us, well, this is what they're supposed to be protecting us FROM. It's not the government of, by, and for business, or the criminally-free market, or any commercial concern. It's supposed to be the government of the people, by the people, for the people.[/b]

Perhaps you might even understand this analogy:

"Rape" was not only legal, it was encouraged by Congressional oversight and was made manifest through Fannie and Freddie. "The rapists" were told to go ahead and "rape" the "victims" because the "victims" were poor and needed to be "raped". To encourage "raping" the poor, Fannie/Freddie told the "rapists" that if they "raped" the "victims", they would guarantee that the "rapists" would not lose anything from "raping" them.

If they were really good "rapists", Fannie and Freddie even went so far as to buy the results from these "rapings".

Once word of this got out, lots of smart, opportunistic people decided to become "rapists".

After all, isn't everybody in America, including the poor, entitled to a nice "raping".

Here, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmhdnZavIIQ

[f.sciarrillo]

Newt hinted that Marco Rubio would be his running mate at the debate tonight. Like I said from the beginning. The running mates will either be Marco Rubio or Chris Christy. The more these go on, the more unlikely it will be a newt-romney ticket.

[Banned]

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

You were tolerated at gigs because nobody want to start a political argument with you in a bar. Nobody wanted to be embarrassed by association with your stupid political beliefs in public.

Are you getting lots of friendly calls from your buddies? Why not? It's not just me.

It is my real friends that tell me what's being said. So yeah, I'm getting calls. BTW I've never started a political discussion when I'm out, if someone else does, I might join in.

In fact when I was out a Libertarian told me that your Libertarian views are not correct, that I shouldn't really pay attention to your points. I think you call him a friend too.

I was talking to another libertarian (who called) yesterday, who dropped off facebook because of you and his arguments with you and your general lack of understanding beyond being self centered and adopting all things Libertarian that supports a self centered ego. Honestly, I feel sorry for you.

But hey, if it inflates your ego to say you "tolerated" me, I'm glad I helped.

So your former band mates were not your "real" friends. Who is the phony? getting lots of calls from them? The "libertarian" you talk about that we know is not really a libertarian. Ask him. Ask him what he thinks of your politics. Ask him what he thinks when you call Libertarians racists and child poisoners.

I support the freedom and liberty of the libertarian ideology. Its just sad that you see that as self centered, but you are so brainwashed you are incapable of independent thought outside of what your liberals masters tell you to think.

People like you allowed and aided this corrupt government to ruin this country. You disgust me.

[Hawk]

You were tolerated at gigs because nobody want to start a political argument with you in a bar. Nobody wanted to be embarrassed by association with your stupid political beliefs in public.

Are you getting lots of friendly calls from your buddies? Why not? It's not just me.

It is my real friends that tell me what's being said. So yeah, I'm getting calls. BTW I've never started a political discussion when I'm out, if someone else does, I might join in.

In fact when I was out a Libertarian told me that your Libertarian views are not correct, that I shouldn't really pay attention to your points. I think you call him a friend too.

I was talking to another libertarian (who called) yesterday, who dropped off facebook because of you and his arguments with you and your general lack of understanding beyond being self centered and adopting all things Libertarian that supports a self centered ego. Honestly, I feel sorry for you.

But hey, if it inflates your ego to say you "tolerated" me, I'm glad I helped.

So your former band mates were not your "real" friends. Who is the phony? getting lots of calls from them? The "libertarian" you talk about that we know is not really a libertarian. Ask him. Ask him what he thinks of your politics. Ask him what he thinks when you call Libertarians racists and child poisoners.

I support the freedom and liberty of the libertarian ideology. Its just sad that you see that as self centered, but you are so brainwashed you are incapable of independent thought outside of what your liberals masters tell you to think.

People like you allowed and aided this corrupt government to ruin this country. You disgust me.

I don't pretend to be any ones friend. If undercoverjoe called me and said he needed the shirt off my back I would deliver it personally.

I want The Hawks to do well because that's the way I am.

Libertarians ARE NOT RACISTS ! But they would allow privately owned business open to the public to discriminate based on race. Quit drawing silly conclusions.

undercoverphonyjoe (NOT Libertarians) said he is against more regulations relative to coal burning. That puts more Mercury in the water / fish and poisons all of us but is most dangerous for children. You're welcome to drink rain water if you think we have enough coal burning regulations.

[shredder138]

So your former band mates were not your "real" friends. Who is the phony? getting lots of calls from them? The "libertarian" you talk about that we know is not really a libertarian. Ask him. Ask him what he thinks of your politics. Ask him what he thinks when you call Libertarians racists and child poisoners.

I support the freedom and liberty of the libertarian ideology. Its just sad that you see that as self centered, but you are so brainwashed you are incapable of independent thought outside of what your liberals masters tell you to think.

People like you allowed and aided this corrupt government to ruin this country. You disgust me.

Grow up, you selfish, old piece of shit.

Hawk, you'd give this asswipe the shirt off your back. You must be a saint.

[Banned]

How can Nobama say he is not the foodstamp President?

If his plan was to destroy the economy and make the populous dependent on a socialistic government, he has succeeded.

http://news.investors.com/Article/59899 ... -obama.htm

[Banned]

Giving the shirt off your back is a very Libertarian thing to do. Libertarians want Americans to keep more of their hard earned money and be charitable to those in need.

Socialists want a huge, bloated, corrupt government to steal the property of its citizens and then they will return a very small amount to those whom they decide are jumping the the hoops they set up.

Bill, are you turning Libertarian?

[f.sciarrillo]

ABC’s Jake Tapper Informs George Stephanopoulos: Obama ‘Can’t Run’ on His Achievements Because ‘They’re Not Popular’

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes ... z1kg3TB7of

[songsmith]

Perhaps you might even understand this analogy:

"Rape" was not only legal, it was encouraged by Congressional oversight and was made manifest through Fannie and Freddie. "The rapists" were told to go ahead and "rape" the "victims" because the "victims" were poor and needed to be "raped". To encourage "raping" the poor, Fannie/Freddie told the "rapists" that if they "raped" the "victims", they would guarantee that the "rapists" would not lose anything from "raping" them.

If they were really good "rapists", Fannie and Freddie even went so far as to buy the results from these "rapings".

Once word of this got out, lots of smart, opportunistic people decided to become "rapists".

After all, isn't everybody in America, including the poor, entitled to a nice "raping".

Here, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmhdnZavIIQ

Yes, Jeff, everyone is entitled to be "raped." And yes, I understand your point, that if certain people want to "rape," and can get away with "rape," they should, because other people "need raping."
Rape is wrong, and outright evil. Taking advantage of people is the entitlement of the elite who are able to do it, and you believe they SHOULD do it, then blame someone else for relaxing the rules. It's all complete class-warfare bullshit from somebody who isn't even in that class, but I DO understand you. Perhaps too well... I had hoped you had at least SOME integrity and morality, but I'm just an optimist when it comes to people. Just remember, your ideology gives people the ability to bend you over a stump, too, and karma doesn't believe in lube.
Enjoy.

[lonewolf]

Perhaps you might even understand this analogy:

"Rape" was not only legal, it was encouraged by Congressional oversight and was made manifest through Fannie and Freddie. "The rapists" were told to go ahead and "rape" the "victims" because the "victims" were poor and needed to be "raped". To encourage "raping" the poor, Fannie/Freddie told the "rapists" that if they "raped" the "victims", they would guarantee that the "rapists" would not lose anything from "raping" them.

If they were really good "rapists", Fannie and Freddie even went so far as to buy the results from these "rapings".

Once word of this got out, lots of smart, opportunistic people decided to become "rapists".

After all, isn't everybody in America, including the poor, entitled to a nice "raping".

Here, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmhdnZavIIQ

Yes, Jeff, everyone is entitled to be "raped." And yes, I understand your point, that if certain people want to "rape," and can get away with "rape," they should, because other people "need raping."
Rape is wrong, and outright evil.

Don't tell me--tell the government--it was their idea. Also, replace your word "SHOULD" with "WILL". If they CAN do it, they WILL do it--its just another variant of Murphy's Law.

Since you seem to have had yet another reading comprehension FAIL:

I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.

That sink in yet? Maybe not:

I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.
I never said or believed that they SHOULD do it.

In this case, banks were FORCED to do it or pay PENALTIES.

You DO understand what an analogy is, right?

The federal government's Murphy's Law rate will always approach 100%--especially when they are trying to "help". That's why they should get out of the "helping" business and return to their assigned duties under the Constitution. The fewer opportunities they have to screw up, the better off we all are. This particular epic screw up was a long time in the making:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

Notice I said "the federal government"...
both parties are equal-opportunity, bi-partisan fuck ups.

[songsmith]

How can Nobama say he is not the foodstamp President?

If his plan was to destroy the economy and make the populous dependent on a socialistic government, he has succeeded.

http://news.investors.com/Article/59899 ... -obama.htm

These guys got their "foodstamps," too. Things are SO tough for them...

In 2010:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies ... 45634384/1

http://www.economist.com/node/18836886

And last year:
http://www.compdatasurveys.com/2011/10/ ... g-back-up/

The terrible, terrible democratically-elected government also loaded plenty of tax credits and loopholes into the system, so the poverty-stricken upper-class can create all those service-sector jobs we needed, and the capital gains tax rate (which they use to pay less taxes by percentage than the middle class) is HALF of what it was during Reagan's glorious reign.
The requirements for foodstamps hasn't changed under Obama. More people qualify, because job-creators are creating jobs overseas, or simply laying guys like you off so they can get a low-tax bonus check. Your pink-slip didn't have Big Bad O's name on it, nor did the bonus check that went to your former employer's top fatcat.
One more instance of the firebug who burned down the apartment building bitching about the homeless problem. I get to use that analogy alot, because you bitch about the homeless alot. You'd think the fact that you're out there in the cardboard box over a steam-grate would leave you a little more sympathetic to others in the same position, but the opposite of empathy is sociopathy, and that's where your head is. Fear not, you'll be in the 1% very soon, and we'll all have to kiss your ass, won't we?
As for the positively ludicrous assertion that Obama ruined the economy, please Google "George W. Bush." You seem to have forgotten 8 entire years, a banking-industry debacle, $4.50 gasoline, runaway insurance & healthcare prices, and a worldwide economic collapse. All of which you defended maniacally. You also cannot seem to see a Congress held hostage by some rightwing grandstanders who are employees of the fatcats who did all the damage, whose main desire is to RETAKE CONTROL above all else, so they can DO IT ALL SOME MORE.

[Banned]

How is asking for Bush to be impeached the same as "defended maniacally"?

Only in an insane mind.



stumpy, ignoring truth and making up his own reality to get his point across....

[songsmith]

Oh that underachieverjoe! Spends the vast majority of his time defending G-Dub against those Marxists who hated America by pointing out that Iraq was the wrong country for Al Qaeda, calls us all left-wingers for questioning the Patriot Act, and then when the wingnuts FINALLY figure out that Bush is destroying the economy and bleeding us all dry, makes ONE negative reference, and expects us all to forget everything prior.
What's the rarest bird in the US?
A conservative who admits voting for George W. Bush. You'd think that, in addition to George Bush's failed presidency never actually happening, nobody ever supported him. Well, I sure as hell didn't vote for him!
Hey, joe, I think I finally found you a job! You sit in your office, and every hour, you open a little door, stick your head out, and say, "Cuckoo!"

[Banned]

Come on out tonight and see the Hawks. Support local music. We'll talk.

[Merge]

Am I the only one that sees what politics has done to all of you??

[KeithReynolds]

Am I the only one that sees what politics has done to all of you??

NOPE.

[RobTheDrummer]

Am I the only one that sees what politics has done to all of you??

NOPE.

Coming from the man that started this thread!!!!

[KeithReynolds]

Yep. I did it for a couple reasons.
One, the political bullshit was RUINING the site. So you guys got your own place to keep it contained.
TWO, people were actually leaving the site because it was largely politcal threads.
It was good for both sides that it was mostly centralized. You guys can go nuts in here. Call eachother cocksmackers all day for all I care. I rarely even check in on the thread.
Its just sad that friendships are lost because of shit NO ONE has the power to control. Who gives a fuck what you think about abortion or tax on imported fruit...play your guitar and STFU.

How many times have I actually said anything political?? BESIDES something like "politicians are all liars".
Politics is NOT something that goes over too well when discussed between a group different people. It usually results to exactly what has happened.

Just because its not something IM personally into, doesnt mean you guys cant enjoy it...if thats what YOU like.
Maybe your presidential candidate boyfriends should take that advice too. Everyone wants to run things how they PERSONALLY feel. Totally discounting what others think.

All of you would be much better off if the politics had never entered conversation.

[RobTheDrummer]

I know why ya did it Keith! I'm just fucking with ya!

[songsmith]

Well, you both realize the majority of the craziness comes from one source. That one source gets backed into a corner by his own tenuous grip on reality, and lashes out at the people who tolerate him. He was basically harmless until he tried to poison an old friendship with one of the mods of this board, and now he's involved in taking the Hawk out of The Hawks.
I just absolutely REFUSE to back down from him, and it works. He gets personal, I get personal. Bullies only respond to bullying, and I'm not even a little intimidated by his psychoses. A troll is just a troll, and he long ago squandered what respect he is due. Metalrules got ridden out of here on a rail. Aja. The Reason. Nosurrender. Several others. Rockpage puts up with him because he goes to gigs, and nothing more. I say "enough."
As contentious as things get with Lonewolf, he and I still see eye-to-eye on many things, he's a musician. Same with fsciarillo, onegun, Rob The Drummer, and whitedevilone. I can have an everyday conversation with them in real-life. Not UC. He expects me, and everyone else, to step off at his command.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
The political thread is a microcosm of political thought in America. There are those who feel that only THEY have the authority to define every nuance of society. FUCK Authority. Telling me how I have to think and what I have to do for you gets you NOTHING, except maybe my middle-finger. I'm especially going to vehemently deny any power to crazy people, and that is why we're discussing this right now. Boot the bad-guy, and watch the tenor of this thread go mellow immediately.