THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Hawk]

Bill, those of us not brainwashed like you determine if an article is worth reading by first judging the source. If you would ever name and link your sources, no one would ever waste a second of their lives reading the liberal drivel you cut and paste.

Provide a link or post your own original thoughts. Ha ha , that second part is real funny.

Joe buddy, Where's my Emails ?

[Banned]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_R._Orszag

Yeah, he would be such an objective source.

[Banned]

Bill, those of us not brainwashed like you determine if an article is worth reading by first judging the source. If you would ever name and link your sources, no one would ever waste a second of their lives reading the liberal drivel you cut and paste.

Provide a link or post your own original thoughts. Ha ha , that second part is real funny.

Joe buddy, Where's my Emails ?

They are for friends. get it yet?

[f.sciarrillo]

This is how it will be for now on, Bill. Since I like to get more than one side of the story, I will not be reading anymore essays you post unless you give the source link with it. I want citations and I want sources of where you get your information from.

[Hawk]

Bill, those of us not brainwashed like you determine if an article is worth reading by first judging the source. If you would ever name and link your sources, no one would ever waste a second of their lives reading the liberal drivel you cut and paste.

Provide a link or post your own original thoughts. Ha ha , that second part is real funny.

Joe buddy, Where's my Emails ?

They are for friends. get it yet?

Are you saying that in public you only pretend to be my friend ?

[Banned]

Joe buddy, Where's my Emails ?

They are for friends. get it yet?

Are you saying that in public you only pretend to be my friend ?

I now find it hard to be friends to a total idiot. Why would you want to be friends with a Libertarian, they are racists and poison children as you so often posted.

[Hawk]

They are for friends. get it yet?

Are you saying that in public you only pretend to be my friend ?

I now find it hard to be friends to a total idiot. Why would you want to be friends with a Libertarian, they are racists and poison children as you so often posted.

I see, you have been a fucking phony all this time. I haven't changed any since you and I got along. The only thing that changed was I quit the band. Perhaps I should explain why I quit.
Now I got your number you phony asshole...

[Banned]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

[Hawk]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

I never called you or Libertarians racists. You personally were against cap and trade so yes, burning coal DOES increase Mercury and that DOES poision children.

Liberterians like yourself would support a privately owned business discriminating based on race.

Don't shoot the messenger. They are the facts that you cannot dispute can you ?. I guess you're pissed that I made your principles public.

[lonewolf]

Changing tax rates with the present tax code is PISSING INTO THE WIND and is nothing but a populist rallying cry.

A man makes $57, 000 a day, that's right, $57,000 a DAY (that's 20,805,000 a year). And he pays half in taxes as the man who makes $57,000 a YEAR. And they tell the man who makes $57,000 a year that is for HIS good that the man who makes $57,000 a day pays less than him.

And there are some Rockpage fools who believe that imbalance is good for themselves and defend it with words like, "they create jobs", which proves just how brain washed they are. They are hoarding trillions of dollars and much of it in off shore accounts. Wake up please.

Comments from the right ?

I don't give a shit what they create...the top 1% are paying 37% of the tax revenues. That man (Romney @ 15%) who makes $57,000 per day in reality pays $3,120,750 in taxes or roughly 550X more than the other guy making $57K.

If that's somehow not enough, then what is?

BTW, the 15% federal tax bracket for a single person after standard deductions starts at $41,000 of gross income and extends well beyond $57K. The $41,000 is taxed at an average rate of 8% and the other $16K is taxed at 15%. This comes out to about 10% overall on $57K...not 30% as you surmised.

Your numbers are pure unadulterated BULLSHIT.

[songsmith]

I would rather be water boarded than listen to the Kenyan lie.

Well, don't that put the dink in co-inky-dink! I'd rather waterboard you than listen to you dancing on the edge of sanity! How 'bout that!

bring it on ya little fuck

Vagina sore today?
Please have some sort of disclaimer ready for the part where I'm supposed to be intimidated.

[songsmith]

According to CBO, your source is a LIAR--I'm surprised he is still employed by the Post. He conveniently left out the part about how they guaranteed 3/4 of all private loans and MBS thru the secondary market. The secondary market just happens to be their raison d'etre. Nothing like a good omission...whoops! The new sub-prime cottage industry grew as a direct result of their encouragement to offer sub-prime loans to low income persons with the promise of these guarantees.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc120 ... reddie.pdf

Okay, I forget, is the CBO a good source today, or not? I could swear just a few weeks ago, you said it wasn't.
I'll just go ahead and assume that you're reiterating the part where I said they backed the toxic loans with the govt and people like AIG, whom the American people found out were "too big to fail," when we paid their tab. Under George W. Bush, I might add, in case you get fudgey on the timeline again.
Incidentally, the sub-prime cottage industry grew as a result of a lot of industry-paid bureaucrats looking the other way, as well as a 2000 relaxation of the rules, as we have fruitlessly and futilely discussed before. There is no reason to expect banks to give away free money, and the suggestion they would do so is beyond hilarious. There was, and is currently, no rule or law that forces banks to give a loan to anyone who doesn't deserve one. They gave those mortgages because A) they made billions in fees and bonuses, and B) they sold the risk to someone else, who sold it to someone else, who sold it to someone else, etc.
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were mentioned in my point... but they account for ONLY a fraction of the total. You are free to make the criminals out to be saviours, but reality is that lots of people got richer by bufu-ing the system, or changing the system to allow bufu-ing.. That isn't capitalistic morality at work, it's legalized theft. The money didn't disappear, it was given as a gift, and now the little guy has to bear the responsibility? I think not.

[lonewolf]

According to CBO, your source is a LIAR--I'm surprised he is still employed by the Post. He conveniently left out the part about how they guaranteed 3/4 of all private loans and MBS thru the secondary market. The secondary market just happens to be their raison d'etre. Nothing like a good omission...whoops! The new sub-prime cottage industry grew as a direct result of their encouragement to offer sub-prime loans to low income persons with the promise of these guarantees.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc120 ... reddie.pdf

Okay, I forget, is the CBO a good source today, or not? I could swear just a few weeks ago, you said it wasn't.
I'll just go ahead and assume that you're reiterating the part where I said they backed the toxic loans with the govt and people like AIG, whom the American people found out were "too big to fail," when we paid their tab. Under George W. Bush, I might add, in case you get fudgey on the timeline again.
Incidentally, the sub-prime cottage industry grew as a result of a lot of industry-paid bureaucrats looking the other way, as well as a 2000 relaxation of the rules, as we have fruitlessly and futilely discussed before. There is no reason to expect banks to give away free money, and the suggestion they would do so is beyond hilarious. There was, and is currently, no rule or law that forces banks to give a loan to anyone who doesn't deserve one. They gave those mortgages because A) they made billions in fees and bonuses, and B) they sold the risk to someone else, who sold it to someone else, who sold it to someone else, etc.
Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were mentioned in my point... but they account for ONLY a fraction of the total. You are free to make the criminals out to be saviours, but reality is that lots of people got richer by bufu-ing the system, or changing the system to allow bufu-ing.. That isn't capitalistic morality at work, it's legalized theft. The money didn't disappear, it was given as a gift, and now the little guy has to bear the responsibility? I think not.

The CBO is the worst there is at making future predictions, but dead nuts accurate at compiling past, historic numbers.

Most of them went into the business of selling sub-prime loans because of Fannie and Freddie's virtual guarantee. And why not? This guarantee allowed them to A) make billions in fees and bonuses, and B) sell the risk to someone else in the secondary market...i.e. Fannie and Freddie.

[songsmith]

Why would you want to be friends with a Libertarian, they are racists and poison children as you so often posted.

Good point! Your first one ever, and it was inadvertent!

[songsmith]

Most of them went into the business of selling sub-prime loans because of Fannie and Freddie's virtual guarantee. And why not? This guarantee allowed them to A) make billions in fees and bonuses, and B) sell the risk to someone else in the secondary market...i.e. Fannie and Freddie.

I see. What you're saying is, if you can screw people and get away with it, you should. After all, nobody is hurt, except the little worker guy. Nice to see the true nature of those conservative "values." You should shout that from the rooftops, I bet it would make you look pretty good with the elites. However, the part where you blame government for draconian oversight while stealing us blind is somewhat off-putting. Openly asking for more... probably too much, as you'll see this fall.

[Hawk]

Why would you want to be friends with a Libertarian, they are racists and poison children as you so often posted.

Good point! Your first one ever, and it was inadvertent!

[lonewolf]

Most of them went into the business of selling sub-prime loans because of Fannie and Freddie's virtual guarantee. And why not? This guarantee allowed them to A) make billions in fees and bonuses, and B) sell the risk to someone else in the secondary market...i.e. Fannie and Freddie.

I see. What you're saying is, if you can screw people and get away with it, you should. After all, nobody is hurt, except the little worker guy. Nice to see the true nature of those conservative "values." You should shout that from the rooftops, I bet it would make you look pretty good with the elites. However, the part where you blame government for draconian oversight while stealing us blind is somewhat off-putting. Openly asking for more... probably too much, as you'll see this fall.

Where did I say any such thing? Reading comprehension FAIL!

All I did was paraquote you to maybe get thru that thick skull of yours.

All i said was that the Fannie/Freddie guarantee prompted many people to go into the sub-prime mortgage market. I never said anything about them being right, wrong or otherwise.

I am also saying that it would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED had Fannie/Freddie not encouraged it with their guarantee. A guarantee that was created in response to directives from politicians on both sides of the aisle to encourage mortgages for low-income buyers...you know...people who simply couldn't afford a house any other way...and apparently for good reason.

[Hawk]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

[whitedevilone]

Words without action are meaningless.

Shhhhhhh.....Bill lives in a world of social justice and nimrods behind the counter making $18 an hour.He's not interested in action....just lip service.

Personal attacks without substance. Can't you guys move beyond that ? If you lack the ability to discuss specifics and can only throw insults, why post at all ? Oh yeah...that IS all you can do.

The president listed multiple ideas for legislation last night. Try being specific.

Billy,Billy,Billy.You hear what you want to hear when your boy speaks and i hear something completely different.I live in the real world and have ZERO time to battle you on the internet.Mostly because i could care less what your views are.But to call every little remark that doesn't sit well with you a "personal attack"is F#@king silly.Get a grip Sally.

[Hawk]

Shhhhhhh.....Bill lives in a world of social justice and nimrods behind the counter making $18 an hour.He's not interested in action....just lip service.

Personal attacks without substance. Can't you guys move beyond that ? If you lack the ability to discuss specifics and can only throw insults, why post at all ? Oh yeah...that IS all you can do.

The president listed multiple ideas for legislation last night. Try being specific.

Billy,Billy,Billy.You hear what you want to hear when your boy speaks and i hear something completely different.I live in the real world and have ZERO time to battle you on the internet.Mostly because i could care less what your views are.But to call every little remark that doesn't sit well with you a "personal attack"is F#@king silly.Get a grip Sally.

So, "Shhhhhhh.....Bill lives in a world of social justice and nimrods behind the counter making $18 an hour.He's not interested in action....just lip service. [/ wasn't a personal attack ? Oh....I thought it was. How could I have made such a grievous error ? Sorry man ! You fooled me as good as phonyjoe did.

[Hawk]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

Okay Joe, new day...I'm over it. I wish you the best.

If anyone takes my verbal rudeness too seriously, don't. I don't take yours seriously either. Joe just caught me off guard with his friendliness when we were together vs. what he said here. Whether he meant what he said or not is irrelevant, all is cool with me.

[songsmith]

Most of them went into the business of selling sub-prime loans because of Fannie and Freddie's virtual guarantee. And why not? This guarantee allowed them to A) make billions in fees and bonuses, and B) sell the risk to someone else in the secondary market...i.e. Fannie and Freddie.

I see. What you're saying is, if you can screw people and get away with it, you should. After all, nobody is hurt, except the little worker guy. Nice to see the true nature of those conservative "values." You should shout that from the rooftops, I bet it would make you look pretty good with the elites. However, the part where you blame government for draconian oversight while stealing us blind is somewhat off-putting. Openly asking for more... probably too much, as you'll see this fall.

Where did I say any such thing? Reading comprehension FAIL!

All I did was paraquote you to maybe get thru that thick skull of yours.

All i said was that the Fannie/Freddie guarantee prompted many people to go into the sub-prime mortgage market. I never said anything about them being right, wrong or otherwise.

I am also saying that it would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED had Fannie/Freddie not encouraged it with their guarantee. A guarantee that was created in response to directives from politicians on both sides of the aisle to encourage mortgages for low-income buyers...you know...people who simply couldn't afford a house any other way...and apparently for good reason.

What you're saying (for the second time) is that if the govt guarantees loans for some people, they should be taken advantage of for profit. I.E, it's okay to rape a woman if she wears a miniskirt, she's asking for it, and you want to, so it's okay. She ENCOURAGED it. Again, more of that conservative "morality" rearing it's ugly head.
Blame government all you want, but that money didn't go to government. It didn't go to the average US citizen, to whom it belonged. It went to Wall Street. You can make the correlation between the govt trying to help people get houses and banks ripping us off for trillions, you can say out loud that government forced banks to give away free money (that's the Fox-media version, I hear it alot), but the fact that you're saying it doesn't make it true, or correct, or morally right.
Morality FAIL. Factual FAIL. Historical rewrite FAIL. Priority FAIL. Media gullibility FAIL.

[lonewolf]

I see. What you're saying is, if you can screw people and get away with it, you should. After all, nobody is hurt, except the little worker guy. Nice to see the true nature of those conservative "values." You should shout that from the rooftops, I bet it would make you look pretty good with the elites. However, the part where you blame government for draconian oversight while stealing us blind is somewhat off-putting. Openly asking for more... probably too much, as you'll see this fall.

Where did I say any such thing? Reading comprehension FAIL!

All I did was paraquote you to maybe get thru that thick skull of yours.

All i said was that the Fannie/Freddie guarantee prompted many people to go into the sub-prime mortgage market. I never said anything about them being right, wrong or otherwise.

I am also saying that it would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED had Fannie/Freddie not encouraged it with their guarantee. A guarantee that was created in response to directives from politicians on both sides of the aisle to encourage mortgages for low-income buyers...you know...people who simply couldn't afford a house any other way...and apparently for good reason.

What you're saying (for the second time) is that if the govt guarantees loans for some people, they should be taken advantage of for profit. I.E, it's okay to rape a woman if she wears a miniskirt, she's asking for it, and you want to, so it's okay. She ENCOURAGED it. Again, more of that conservative "morality" rearing it's ugly head.
Blame government all you want, but that money didn't go to government. It didn't go to the average US citizen, to whom it belonged. It went to Wall Street. You can make the correlation between the govt trying to help people get houses and banks ripping us off for trillions, you can say out loud that government forced banks to give away free money (that's the Fox-media version, I hear it alot), but the fact that you're saying it doesn't make it true, or correct, or morally right.
Morality FAIL. Factual FAIL. Historical rewrite FAIL. Priority FAIL. Media gullibility FAIL.

No, YOU said that. What I am saying that every time government provides an incentive that involves easy money (which is all too often), people will flock to it and take advantage of it.

I'd like to prevent this kind of behavior, but the only way to stop it from happening is to keep government out of the easy money business in the first place.

There is a reason why low-income people can't buy a house. Politicians can't change that.

One big ole JOHNNY FAIL!

[songsmith]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

Stunned? Really? Surprising. His true personality is spattered all over every post he makes. I learned... tolerate him at your own risk.

[Banned]

I'm supposed to forget you call me and other Libertarians, like your former band mates, racists and child poisoners?

I tolerated you as long as politics did not come up to see good blues music. Since I no longer have to tolerate you in person, good riddance to rubbish.

Its people like you that have ruined this country and I don't have to like any of you.

Do you realize how many times you sat at a table with my wife and I ? While you pretended to be a friend ? Whether it was in an empty room with another band or in many situations, you were invited to share Cathy and my table.

I think phonies are lower than any snake that crawls in the grass. I'm a bit stunned to find out what an ass you actually are.

At least with me, everyone knows where I stand and where they stand with me, unlike phony users like you.

Am I hurt ? Yeah, I'll get over it while you will always remain a fake, a pretender, a phony and now everyone else is on notice via your own post that you are not to be trusted.

good one phonyjoe...

You were tolerated at gigs because nobody want to start a political argument with you in a bar. Nobody wanted to be embarrassed by association with your stupid political beliefs in public.

Are you getting lots of friendly calls from your buddies? Why not? It's not just me.