What's your poison?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

I average a six-pack every two years, so when I drink a beer, it's usually either good ol' Yuengling or a darker aperitif craft beer.
I also enjoy the occasional sip of the Mule-kick, but just a sip or two. A recent trip to West Virginia introduced me to Apple Pie, a dangerous concoction of moonshine, honey, and apple cider that does not taste like it has any alcohol... but it's well over a hundred-proof. Beware, some people won't tell you how powerful it is, and a moonshine hangover is a painful, long-term malady.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/08/30 ... udy-finds/

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL

Not everyone has to have a beer in their hand to have a good time I guess is the point he's making!! Why is it when you tell someone you don't drink they look at you like you're a fucking leper? I drink one time a year...on my birthday. I usually have to choke down a beer or a shot because quite frankly I think it all tastes like turpentine. So kudos to you songsmith.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL
Not everyone has to have a beer in their hand to have a good time I guess is the point he's making!! Why is it when you tell someone you don't drink they look at you like you're a fucking leper? I drink one time a year...on my birthday. I usually have to choke down a beer or a shot because quite frankly I think it all tastes like turpentine. So kudos to you songsmith.

maybe because most non-drinkers say it like giving vegan moral superiority..

"oh...i never eat meat".

Y the freak not??

meat is not just one thing is it? its a whole range of items and tastes.

how do you feel about wine?every beer does not taste the same. tequila doesn't taste like scotch. and so on..

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

I can't say I'm a tee-totaler, so I don't say that. Simply put, I don't like being drunk, too pukey and sickening. I'm a musician, even when I drank regularly, I seldom paid for a drink, but it just wasn't my thing.
I actually like when people drink, but have no patience for drunks. That's just how it is.
Nobody ever said I was a saint (I never tried hard drugs, either), I had my vices... and those vices required me to keep my wits about me. Beergoggles are a terrible disease, and must be stopped in our lifetime. lol I always thought, "Sorry, I was drunk" was the flimsiest excuse ever.
Don't hate a brother because he keeps a handle on his sh*t!

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

songsmith wrote:I can't say I'm a tee-totaler, so I don't say that. Simply put, I don't like being drunk, too pukey and sickening. I'm a musician, even when I drank regularly, I seldom paid for a drink, but it just wasn't my thing.
I actually like when people drink, but have no patience for drunks. That's just how it is.
Nobody ever said I was a saint (I never tried hard drugs, either), I had my vices... and those vices required me to keep my wits about me. Beergoggles are a terrible disease, and must be stopped in our lifetime. lol I always thought, "Sorry, I was drunk" was the flimsiest excuse ever.
Don't hate a brother because he keeps a handle on his sh*t!

You are a saint (there somebody said it)

please get off the bully pulpit, i get my preaching on Sunday.

oh this is Sunday..thank you pastor songsmith

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Sunday Feb 12, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:
sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL
Not everyone has to have a beer in their hand to have a good time I guess is the point he's making!! Why is it when you tell someone you don't drink they look at you like you're a fucking leper? I drink one time a year...on my birthday. I usually have to choke down a beer or a shot because quite frankly I think it all tastes like turpentine. So kudos to you songsmith.
maybe because most non-drinkers say it like giving vegan moral superiority..

"oh...i never eat meat".

Y the freak not??

meat is not just one thing is it? its a whole range of items and tastes.

how do you feel about wine?every beer does not taste the same. tequila doesn't taste like scotch. and so on..

That's not a vegan that's a vegetarian. If you're going to rationalize your irrational thoughts....refrain from using analogies that don't even make sense please.

And actually you'll find that most non-drinkers are nothing like you just depicted. The guy simply said he has a 6 pack every great now and then. He never judged you or took a moral stance what-so-ever. Incidentally however that's exactly what you did. Neither one of us condemned drinking in any sense of the word, or acted in a 'superior', or 'holier than thou' manner. I don't drink because I think it tastes like shit. No other reason than that. If it tasted like Pepsi I'd be a raging alcoholic!!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

I think possibly someone is struggling with some guilt over their intake. I can totally understand that. I didn't mean to be preachy about it, I just have better things to do than deal with drunks, and I physically don't like being drunk... at no point did I tell anyone to stop drinking on my account, I make a part of my living from people drinking alcohol.
If someone does feel a pang of guilt about their vices, they should do something about it asap. Guilt really IS a poison! You either have to modify the vice, the guilt you feel about it, or both. It'll eat you alive, I've seen it a million times. I struggle sometimes, myself. The last thing anyone can call me is a saint. I just don't drink much.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL

And judging by your rambling posts, you probably drink a few before you post.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:
sstuckey wrote: Not everyone has to have a beer in their hand to have a good time I guess is the point he's making!! Why is it when you tell someone you don't drink they look at you like you're a fucking leper? I drink one time a year...on my birthday. I usually have to choke down a beer or a shot because quite frankly I think it all tastes like turpentine. So kudos to you songsmith.
maybe because most non-drinkers say it like giving vegan moral superiority..

"oh...i never eat meat".

Y the freak not??

meat is not just one thing is it? its a whole range of items and tastes.

how do you feel about wine?every beer does not taste the same. tequila doesn't taste like scotch. and so on..
That's not a vegan that's a vegetarian. If you're going to rationalize your irrational thoughts....refrain from using analogies that don't even make sense please.

And actually you'll find that most non-drinkers are nothing like you just depicted. The guy simply said he has a 6 pack every great now and then. He never judged you or took a moral stance what-so-ever. Incidentally however that's exactly what you did. Neither one of us condemned drinking in any sense of the word, or acted in a 'superior', or 'holier than thou' manner. I don't drink because I think it tastes like shit. No other reason than that. If it tasted like Pepsi I'd be a raging alcoholic!!

No, i think my first reference "vegan" is correct.

Many non-drinkers and vegans alike do say it with condescension maybe you don't notice because you're a non-drinker. have you ever noticed that many that are "saved" and "born again" also give airs. Not all, but enough to make note of it, not referring to you specifically.

You say you don't like alcohol but alcohol has a wide variety of taste..like saying i don't like meat but chicken doesn't taste like beef which doesn't taste like fish. So, out of curiosity there's no alcoholic beverage that you find tasteful?

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

f.sciarrillo wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL
And judging by your rambling posts, you probably drink a few before you post.

i drink for medicinal purpose only

CHICKSINGA · Post by **CHICKSINGA** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

I dont drink like I used to but I have many favs:

Winter - Glenlivet Scotch, Turkey American Honey & Estancia Pinot Noir

Summer - Margaritas & my "Beach drink" - Malibu Rum, Absolute, Peach schnapps, Orange juice & a dash of cranberry juice - sooo refreshing!!

But the best? Long Island Ice Tea made by Robin at Pelly's!! No one does it better!!!

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:
sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote: maybe because most non-drinkers say it like giving vegan moral superiority..

"oh...i never eat meat".

Y the freak not??

meat is not just one thing is it? its a whole range of items and tastes.

how do you feel about wine?every beer does not taste the same. tequila doesn't taste like scotch. and so on..
That's not a vegan that's a vegetarian. If you're going to rationalize your irrational thoughts....refrain from using analogies that don't even make sense please.

And actually you'll find that most non-drinkers are nothing like you just depicted. The guy simply said he has a 6 pack every great now and then. He never judged you or took a moral stance what-so-ever. Incidentally however that's exactly what you did. Neither one of us condemned drinking in any sense of the word, or acted in a 'superior', or 'holier than thou' manner. I don't drink because I think it tastes like shit. No other reason than that. If it tasted like Pepsi I'd be a raging alcoholic!!
No, i think my first reference "vegan" is correct.

Many non-drinkers and vegans alike do say it with condescension maybe you don't notice because you're a non-drinker. have you ever noticed that many that are "saved" and "born again" also give airs. Not all, but enough to make note of it, not referring to you specifically.

You say you don't like alcohol but alcohol has a wide variety of taste..like saying i don't like meat but chicken doesn't taste like beef which doesn't taste like fish. So, out of curiosity there's no alcoholic beverage that you find tasteful?

Not anything that isn't considered a girly drink. And since I'm not a chick, the alternative again, tastes like butt. When I was younger, I used to tolerate the taste, just to get to the buzz. But in response to your question...no. Alcohol just doesn't do it for me. I'm also not a big fan of the bar scene in general. Just isn't my thing is all, not a knock against anyone else that digs it. I went out for my birthday Saturday, and it didn't take me very long to remember why I don't like going to bars.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday Feb 13, 2012

sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:
sstuckey wrote: That's not a vegan that's a vegetarian. If you're going to rationalize your irrational thoughts....refrain from using analogies that don't even make sense please.

And actually you'll find that most non-drinkers are nothing like you just depicted. The guy simply said he has a 6 pack every great now and then. He never judged you or took a moral stance what-so-ever. Incidentally however that's exactly what you did. Neither one of us condemned drinking in any sense of the word, or acted in a 'superior', or 'holier than thou' manner. I don't drink because I think it tastes like shit. No other reason than that. If it tasted like Pepsi I'd be a raging alcoholic!!
No, i think my first reference "vegan" is correct.

Many non-drinkers and vegans alike do say it with condescension maybe you don't notice because you're a non-drinker. have you ever noticed that many that are "saved" and "born again" also give airs. Not all, but enough to make note of it, not referring to you specifically.

You say you don't like alcohol but alcohol has a wide variety of taste..like saying i don't like meat but chicken doesn't taste like beef which doesn't taste like fish. So, out of curiosity there's no alcoholic beverage that you find tasteful?
Not anything that isn't considered a girly drink. And since I'm not a chick, the alternative again, tastes like butt. When I was younger, I used to tolerate the taste, just to get to the buzz. But in response to your question...no. Alcohol just doesn't do it for me. I'm also not a big fan of the bar scene in general. Just isn't my thing is all, not a knock against anyone else that digs it. I went out for my birthday Saturday, and it didn't take me very long to remember why I don't like going to bars.

Kudos, Steve. I'm not a fan of the bar scene either. I went to the Newburg Firehall on Saturday to listen to my dad's band play. That was the first time I been to a bar in months, and I drink diet pepsi all night. I have no desire to drink anything with alcohol in it anymore.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Tuesday Feb 14, 2012

Usually i just have a couple three four glasses of red wine each day. When out beer seldom hard stuff.

Sipping a nice cab right now.

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:a six pack every other year...what's the point?

like saying i have a coke every decade..lol ..why?? even bother

why do teetotalers feel so empowered by their abstinence? numerous studies show those that have 2 drinks a day live longer healthier lives. i take a drink like most take statins or their meds ..every day and on time LOL
Not everyone has to have a beer in their hand to have a good time I guess is the point he's making!! Why is it when you tell someone you don't drink they look at you like you're a fucking leper? I drink one time a year...on my birthday. I usually have to choke down a beer or a shot because quite frankly I think it all tastes like turpentine. So kudos to you songsmith.

+1.5

Drinking isn't something somebody HAS to do to have fun. I, for one, drink once in a great while myself, once every so often. I don't drink more often for 3 reasons...

1) As Steve said, the taste of most alcohol isn't worth it. Yes, I WILL do a shot if you sit it in front of me with intention for me to drink it. But that's being courteous, thankful, and looking at the after-thought of what it'll do with a little time, not the taste

2) Even though I've ever had 1 hangover, that feeling of unease still, to this day, doesn't feel that great to me. It's not my thing

3) I have many more important things to put my money toward, such as bills, food, and other such necessities. I could probably go buy a few bottles, but then I'll be going to work drunk and VERY hungry

Besides... Being sober in a room full of drunks is some of the best entertainment that you don't have to buy!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

Hey Jetcity, how about this? FUCK YOU. I don't drink anymore, I don't come off like a saint or a vegan, and I don't begrudge anyone their alcohol. Drinking almost cost me my family, and I quit after realizing I had a serious problem. If you want to drink, that's fine. I don't want to, so don't come at me with the "you think that you are better than me because you are sober" bullshit.

Again, NoSurrender...wanna drink? Go drink a tall cold bottle of Go Fuck Yourself.

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

ToonaRockGuy wrote:Hey Jetcity, how about this? FUCK YOU. I don't drink anymore, I don't come off like a saint or a vegan, and I don't begrudge anyone their alcohol. Drinking almost cost me my family, and I quit after realizing I had a serious problem. If you want to drink, that's fine. I don't want to, so don't come at me with the "you think that you are better than me because you are sober" bullshit.

Again, NoSurrender...wanna drink? Go drink a tall cold bottle of Go Fuck Yourself.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

I'd like to extend a congrats to ToonaRockGuy for one....recognizing a problem.....and two overcoming said problem. Those things are never easy to do. So well done.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

ToonaRockGuy wrote:Hey Jetcity, how about this? FUCK YOU. I don't drink anymore, I don't come off like a saint or a vegan, and I don't begrudge anyone their alcohol. Drinking almost cost me my family, and I quit after realizing I had a serious problem. If you want to drink, that's fine. I don't want to, so don't come at me with the "you think that you are better than me because you are sober" bullshit.

.

Good to hear things worked out for the best. Wasn't referring to specifically to you in my post, sorry for the misunderstanding. You are right that alcohol ABUSE must be avoided, and use of alcohol should be responsible.

I never over drink, and never drive after drinking.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/08/30 ... udy-finds/

In your sad, sad attempt to belittle non-drinkers, you post this steaming pile of gazelle shit. I'd like the opportunity to point out why this 'medical study' is riddled in cow dung.

Those who abstain from drinking tend to be in a lower socioeconomic class because drinking can be expensive, especially in social settings such as pubs and bars. People who don’t have a lot of disposable income are generally thought to have more stressors in life, which leads to stress-related illnesses. Quality of life may also be lacking, so they may not be able to afford the healthiest food or the best health care.

So then it's not the alcohol that leads to the longer life....it's the money, or lack there of, which leads to the lower quality of life. i.e. food, health care, etc. etc. That whole paragraph belongs in a study on the quality of life of between those with money and those that are in poverty. Those couple of sentences have no relevance between the correlation of drinkers to non-drinkers.

Moderate drinking, defined as one to three drinks per night, could lead to prolonged life, especially if the drink of choice is red wine, which has be thought to improve heart health and circulation. A few drinks also improves sociability. Sociability could help health because people who are isolated don’t have as many people around to step in or notice when drinking gets out of hand. Being social is vital for maintaining mental and physical health. People who aren’t social have a greater risk of depression, Time says.

Again the silly misconception that non-drinkers don't have a social life or know how to have a good time. Therefore 'we' are social outcasts who live isolated lives. Again look at the posts of those that don't drink. The majority of them still go to the bars, they just drink non-alcoholic drinks. I personally don't go to the bar, but that doesn't mean I'm isolated from the world!!! I have an active social life, and a lot of friends I hang out with. Again that's a preposterous statement, and basically says drinkers have more fun than non-drinkers. But my favorite part of that douche-laden paragraph, is where they point out that non-drinkers don't have as many people around to point out the drinking is getting out of control. Ummmmm....if we don't drink.....how in the hell is that a problem? That really makes no fuckin sense.

Alcoholics Anonymous has a theory that many people in their groups who currently abstain from drinking used to be hard-core alcoholics who have already incurred health problems associated from their previous drinking.

Okay now I'm confused. How is that an example of drinkers living longer lives than non-drinkers? All they did was basically point out that hard-core alcoholics are more likely to incur health problems due to the heavy drinking.

Over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years.

This clearly doesn't take into consideration the people that died prior to the age of 55-65 in alcohol related incidences. Such as D.U.I. which by the way accounts for 32% of all traffic related deaths nationwide. Now I'd like to see a survey (backed by actual statistics) that show the percentage of people that drink vs those that don't, that MAKE it to the age of 55.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

I find it interesting case study that non-drinkers feel compelled to reply on a light thread about preference of alcoholic beverage.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

jetcitywoman wrote:I find it interesting case study that non-drinkers feel compelled to reply on a light thread about preference of alcoholic beverage.

Actually the thread was entitled "What's your poison?" and I posted mine. I didn't however realize it HAD to be alcohol!! My bad.

I did however find inclined to stand up for songsmith, when a simple reply about drinking 6 beers every couple years, turned into him being some alcohol bashing, social outcast, with a holier than thou mentality....when clearly the only one passing judgement was yourself. I know the dude can handle his own when it comes to debates, as we have gone toe to toe on a couple of topics, (by the way I still think I won that battle over online gambling but we don't need to go there)

But also personally took some offense to what you wrote based on an related episode I had to deal with recently. And if nothing more than getting it off my chest, it's cool to know there is some people out there that are like me and don't have to be drunk to have fun. I'm not weird, i'm not a social outcast, and I'm not as much of a minority as I thought. And even though your pathetic article says I won't be blowing out 100 candles, because I don't have my daily glass of wine, I'm okay with that.

jetcitywoman · Post by **jetcitywoman** » Wednesday Feb 15, 2012

sstuckey wrote:
jetcitywoman wrote:I find it interesting case study that non-drinkers feel compelled to reply on a light thread about preference of alcoholic beverage.
Actually the thread was entitled "What's your poison?" and I posted mine. I didn't however realize it HAD to be alcohol!! My bad.

I did however find inclined to stand up for songsmith, when a simple reply about drinking 6 beers every couple years, turned into him being some alcohol bashing, social outcast, with a holier than thou mentality....when clearly the only one passing judgement was yourself. I know the dude can handle his own when it comes to debates, as we have gone toe to toe on a couple of topics, (by the way I still think I won that battle over online gambling but we don't need to go there)

But also personally took some offense to what you wrote based on an related episode I had to deal with recently. And if nothing more than getting it off my chest, it's cool to know there is some people out there that are like me and don't have to be drunk to have fun. I'm not weird, i'm not a social outcast, and I'm not as much of a minority as I thought. And even though your pathetic article says I won't be blowing out 100 candles, because I don't have my daily glass of wine, I'm okay with that.

"What's your poison" is a well known euphemism referring to alcoholic beverage.