There were WMD's in Iraq .. Proof found ..

[Hawk]

Bill, I am starting to think that you are for the top 5% class supporting the lower 95% class.

This is a capitalist country, we get rich by working for it. There is no reason why some one who spent their whole life getting where they are should through it all to the people who are to lazy to get off their ass and look for a job.

Look at statics - There are more families on food stamps and welfare now with this admin than any other admin in history. They are truly the welfare admin ..

This admin is for nothing but spreading the wealth, Marxist, and having people depend on government for everything. I am not like that. I do not agree with it, I will not support it .. I work to support my family and myself, not some one who is too lazy to work. Mind you, I know there are people who do need to be on it. Those I don't have a problem, it is the lazy that I have a problem with ..

You're changing the subject. You don't like the deficit (although you had no problem with it when GW took it to 10 Trillion, which makes NO SENSE to me ) I explained how the tax cuts to the rich add to the deficit and then you make up some shit about how I think the top % should support the rest...bull.

I never said the top 5% should support anyone. I say they should pay their fair share of taxes.

If you check your statistics, rarely does a laborer get rich. Yet the rich get richer because of the laborers.

I hate the lazy as well. Where did I ever say otherwise ?

Welfare and food stamps increased. No kidding, all the jobs were outsourced during the Bush Administration. Why didn't the job rate increase under the Bush tax cuts you want moire of ? THE JOBS LEFT ! That's why there are more welfare people. They are not ALL lazy.

Without the stimulus there would be a lot more people on welfare.

Explain Obama's Marxist programs please.

You still have NO answers for my questions ? Why is that ?

[Hawk]

Do you think if GW told the truth - We believe Iraq has some small stockpiles of chemical weapons that Ronald Reagan helped them create in order to protect themselves from Iran - we would have went to war ?

So Frank, was it worth all the deaths a destruction (the small stockpile) ?

I dare you to tell me why you never complained about GW taking it to $10 Trillion ?

If the tax cuts work so well, where were all the jobs Bush created ?

If we took these tax cuts and put them back where they were, it would help reduce the deficit. Isn't that what you want ?

Here are some dramatic facts that sum up how the wealth distribution became even more concentrated between 1983 and 2004, in good part due to the tax cuts for the wealthy and the defeat of labor unions: Of all the new financial wealth created by the American economy in that 21-year-period, fully 42% of it went to the top 1%. A whopping 94% went to the top 20%, which of course means that the bottom 80% received only 6% of all the new financial wealth generated in the United States.

Now tell me why the top % need more tax cuts ?


I'll add this to the questions about your thread title page.

Did GW Bush claim there were large stockpiles of WMD including both chemical and nuclear weapons and the ongoing building of nuclear weapons ? If the answer is "yes", then the wiki documents say Bush was WRONG ! Correct or incorrect ?

OR, Did he tell the USA there might be a small stockpile of chemical weapons ? If this is what Bush actually told us, then the wiki documents do prove him right . Correct or incorrect ?

Which story did Bush tell us Frank ?

[nakedtwister]

Did ypu hear about the old man that had a heart attack while on vacation with his family?

[Hawk]

Did ypu hear about the old man that had a heart attack while on vacation with his family?

Yes I did. Couldn't have been a Republican. Republicans have no heart. And most don't have enough brains to think for themselves.

The ones who can think just spin everything to suit themselves.

And you have the 's like Palin.

And of course the Republicans who were against the stimilus and against earmarks until they can claim that they personally brought monies to YOUR district all by them self. think Shuster , well, all of the Republicans in congress.

And the rest just the 's and the 's.

Which makes the Democrats

[f.sciarrillo]

Typical liberal speech. When a person doesn't agree with them they can't think for themselves. Yawn, I am so tired of hearing that stupidity.

There is a reason why the polls are so low for the Dems. I guess you would say that over 70% of the country can't think for themselves. Anyone who doesn't agree with socialism, taxing the businesses out of business, not agreeing with healthcare over taking, not agreeing with over taking the auto industry, not agree with spending 2/3 of the money we make on lazy people who refuse to get a job, not agreeing with bail outs. And especially listening to people telling us that we are too stupid to know what is good for us, or telling what to do. Yeah, I guess the all these people just can't think for themselves. Is that going to the new campaign slogan for 2012?

Did you hear about the people spending welfare checks on vacations to Las Vegas? Too lazy to work, but not too lazy to spend my tax money on a family trip ...

I still haven't decided who I am voting for next Tuesday. I do know it will not be a Dem, that is for sure ..

As for not complaining about Bush spending so much, I felt the about him like you feel about Barry. I liked him, and I miss him. I would pick him over Obama any day. In fact, with so many so many other people with the polls. So I guess I'm not the only one who can see through obama's bs.

[Hawk]

Do you think if GW told the truth - We believe Iraq has some small stockpiles of chemical weapons that Ronald Reagan helped them create in order to protect themselves from Iran - we would have went to war ?

So Frank, was it worth all the deaths a destruction (the small stockpile) ?

I dare you to tell me why you never complained about GW taking it to $10 Trillion ?

If the tax cuts work so well, where were all the jobs Bush created ?

If we took these tax cuts and put them back where they were, it would help reduce the deficit. Isn't that what you want ?

Here are some dramatic facts that sum up how the wealth distribution became even more concentrated between 1983 and 2004, in good part due to the tax cuts for the wealthy and the defeat of labor unions: Of all the new financial wealth created by the American economy in that 21-year-period, fully 42% of it went to the top 1%. A whopping 94% went to the top 20%, which of course means that the bottom 80% received only 6% of all the new financial wealth generated in the United States.

Now tell me why the top % need more tax cuts ?


I'll add this to the questions about your thread title page.

Did GW Bush claim there were large stockpiles of WMD including both chemical and nuclear weapons and the ongoing building of nuclear weapons ? If the answer is "yes", then the wiki documents say Bush was WRONG ! Correct or incorrect ?

OR, Did he tell the USA there might be a small stockpile of chemical weapons ? If this is what Bush actually told us, then the wiki documents do prove him right . Correct or incorrect ?

Which story did Bush tell us Frank ?

Come on Frank...let me see you think for yourself.

[Hawk]

Typical liberal speech. When a person doesn't agree with them they can't think for themselves. Yawn, I am so tired of hearing that stupidity.

There is a reason why the polls are so low for the Dems. I guess you would say that over 70% of the country can't think for themselves. Anyone who doesn't agree with socialism, taxing the businesses out of business, not agreeing with healthcare over taking, not agreeing with over taking the auto industry, not agree with spending 2/3 of the money we make on lazy people who refuse to get a job, not agreeing with bail outs. And especially listening to people telling us that we are too stupid to know what is good for us, or telling what to do. Yeah, I guess the all these people just can't think for themselves. Is that going to the new campaign slogan for 2012?

Did you hear about the people spending welfare checks on vacations to Las Vegas? Too lazy to work, but not too lazy to spend my tax money on a family trip ...

I still haven't decided who I am voting for next Tuesday. I do know it will not be a Dem, that is for sure ..

There is no doubt that the majority of voters expected Obama to fix everything in two years. I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher. In our country, everyone wants to take a pill and be better tomorrow.

Qouting Frank:
There is a reason why the polls are so low for the Dems. I guess you would say that over 70% of the country can't think for themselves. Anyone who doesn't agree with socialism, taxing the businesses out of business, not agreeing with healthcare over taking, not agreeing with over taking the auto industry, not agree with spending 2/3 of the money we make on lazy people who refuse to get a job, not agreeing with bail outs. And especially listening to people telling us that we are too stupid to know what is good for us, or telling what to do. Yeah, I guess the all these people just can't think for themselves. Is that going to the new campaign slogan for 2012?

This just shows how well the right wing propaganda machine worked.

The auto industry was saved and much of the money has been paid back.
The health care cost is out of control and no one but Obama had the guts to take it on. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

What taxes have been raised on business since Obama became President Frank ? Back up your statement.

2/3 of your income on the lazy ? Of the 10% out of work Frank, how many are lazy ?

GW Bush created TARP.

Troubled Asset Relief Program - TARPWhat Does Troubled Asset Relief Program - TARP Mean?
A government program created for the establishment and management of a Treasury fund, in an attempt to curb the ongoing financial crisis of 2007-2008. The TARP gives the U.S. Treasury purchasing power of $700 billion to buy up mortgage backed securities (MBS) from institutions across the country, in an attempt to create liquidity and un-seize the money markets. The fund was created by a bill that was made law on October 3, 2008 with the passage of H.R. 1424 enacting the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. The Treasury will be given $250 billion immediately, and the President must certify additional funds as they are needed. The additional funds will be distributed as $100 billion, and then as the final $350 billion is given, Congress has the right to not approve the additional amounts.

Obama became president after Tarp in 2009.

[f.sciarrillo]

They do that with every Pres. Quick fix for everything, but two years and making it worse is not what was expected ..

Be sure to watch The Daily Show on Wednesday, Obama is going to be on. Yes, I will watch it. I like Jon Stewart ...

[Hawk]

They do that with every Pres. Quick fix for everything, but two years and making it worse is not what was expected ..

Be sure to watch The Daily Show on Wednesday, Obama is going to be on. Yes, I will watch it. I like Jon Stewart ...

It would be worse (as I have already pointed out to you in detail with facts and quotes) that things would be worse if he had not done what he has done so far.

Come on Frank, try to answer the questions. Do you disagree with the CBO ? Do you think if the jobs in the auto industry were gone we'd be better off if we kept the bail out money and higher unemployment ?

[f.sciarrillo]

The auto industries could have filed for bankruptcy and still stayed in business and the people would still be working. There are numerous companies that did that.. I feel the main reason why the government helped was for the unions and not the others. It is no secret that unions usually support the democrats ..

As for the cbo, I am going to look in to that more before I make a statement on it ...

[Hawk]

Why was TARP created Frank ?

A financial crisis, go figure.

How could we have had a financial crisis with GW Bush ? The tax cuts were creating millions of jobs. The deregulation of the banking industry was allowing banks to (not be responsible for their own loans) sell the mortgages to insurance companies. The rich had their tax cuts and could spend those $Millions on building a great economy!
With the Republicans having everything they wanted why did we need TARP Frank ? I don't get it ?

The tax cuts and de-regulation worked so well, let's try it again ! Good mantra Frank...

[f.sciarrillo]

The deregulation on the banks was from the dems. You seem to forget that they were the ones in power of congress and were forcing banks to loan to people who shouldn't have had the loan to begin with. They screwed up then helped them with our tax money ..

[Hawk]

The auto industries could have filed for bankruptcy and still stayed in business and the people would still be working. There are numerous companies that did that.. I feel the main reason why the government helped was for the unions and not the others. It is no secret that unions usually support the democrats ..

As for the cbo, I am going to look in to that more before I make a statement on it ...

As I explained, people felt comfortable buying a car (a huge investment) because the government backed them. And some of the money has already been repaid.

What are the companies you speak of that went bankrupt and succeeded ? Did they have the same foreign compitition. Were their products average cost $20,000 ? What parallels did they have with the auto industry ?

[Hawk]

The deregulation on the banks was from the dems. You seem to forget that they were the ones in power of congress and were forcing banks to loan to people who shouldn't have had the loan to begin with. They screwed up then helped them with our tax money ..

That's a spin Frank. Deregulation allowed banks to sell off their bad loans bundled with good loans. If there was NO de-regulation, and each bank was responsible for their own loans, would they have made so many bad ones ? NO ! The deregulation occurred before the democrats had any congressional power. I will search for a date.

[f.sciarrillo]

Look at the air line industry and you will find that a couple of them have filed for bankruptcy. There are others, I don't have time right now to look for them all. But I know there were a number of companies ...

Also look at the hundreds of banks that collapsed over the past couple of years, if you want to see if a crisis would come from a melt down of a bank ..

[Hawk]

The deregulation on the banks was from the dems. You seem to forget that they were the ones in power of congress and were forcing banks to loan to people who shouldn't have had the loan to begin with. They screwed up then helped them with our tax money ..

That's a spin Frank. Deregulation allowed banks to sell off their bad loans bundled with good loans. If there was NO de-regulation, and each bank was responsible for their own loans, would they have made so many bad ones ? NO ! The deregulation occurred before the democrats had any congressional power. I will search for a date.

Here you go Frank:

So why did the banks collapse?


In 2000, outgoing Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) attached a 262-page rider to an appropriations bill to deregulate derivatives trading and other complicated financial instruments like collateral debt obligations.

This was the effective nail in the coffin for the FDR-era Glass-Steagall Act, which put into place a number of banking regulations and created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The purpose of the Glass-Steagall Act was to prevent a repeat of the crash of 1929.

[Hawk]

Also look at the hundreds of banks that collapsed over the past couple of years, if you want to see if a crisis would come from a melt down of a bank ..

They collapsed because of de-regulation thanks to Phil Gramm.

Again for your education:

So why did the banks collapse?

In 2000, outgoing Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) attached a 262-page rider to an appropriations bill to deregulate derivatives trading and other complicated financial instruments like collateral debt obligations.

This was the effective nail in the coffin for the FDR-era Glass-Steagall Act, which put into place a number of banking regulations and created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The purpose of the Glass-Steagall Act was to prevent a repeat of the crash of 1929.

[Hawk]

Why was TARP created Frank ?

A financial crisis, go figure.

How could we have had a financial crisis with GW Bush ? The tax cuts were creating millions of jobs. The deregulation of the banking industry was allowing banks to (not be responsible for their own loans) sell the mortgages to insurance companies. The rich had their tax cuts and could spend those $Millions on building a great economy!
With the Republicans having everything they wanted why did we need TARP Frank ? I don't get it ?

The tax cuts and de-regulation worked so well, let's try it again ! Good mantra Frank...

Frank ?

[f.sciarrillo]

The deregulation on the banks was from the dems. You seem to forget that they were the ones in power of congress and were forcing banks to loan to people who shouldn't have had the loan to begin with. They screwed up then helped them with our tax money ..

That's a spin Frank. Deregulation allowed banks to sell off their bad loans bundled with good loans. If there was NO de-regulation, and each bank was responsible for their own loans, would they have made so many bad ones ? NO ! The deregulation occurred before the democrats had any congressional power. I will search for a date.

Here you go Frank:

So why did the banks collapse?


In 2000, outgoing Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) attached a 262-page rider to an appropriations bill to deregulate derivatives trading and other complicated financial instruments like collateral debt obligations.

This was the effective nail in the coffin for the FDR-era Glass-Steagall Act, which put into place a number of banking regulations and created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The purpose of the Glass-Steagall Act was to prevent a repeat of the crash of 1929.

This is a cool read..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... ing_bubble

[f.sciarrillo]

Why was TARP created Frank ?

A financial crisis, go figure.

How could we have had a financial crisis with GW Bush ? The tax cuts were creating millions of jobs. The deregulation of the banking industry was allowing banks to (not be responsible for their own loans) sell the mortgages to insurance companies. The rich had their tax cuts and could spend those $Millions on building a great economy!
With the Republicans having everything they wanted why did we need TARP Frank ? I don't get it ?

The tax cuts and de-regulation worked so well, let's try it again ! Good mantra Frank...

Frank ?

The tax cuts that Bush had, I feel was a similar play of Reagan. He lowered taxes and brought prosperity to the country. You were a Carter supporter, so I know you don't believe that

[Hawk]

That's a spin Frank. Deregulation allowed banks to sell off their bad loans bundled with good loans. If there was NO de-regulation, and each bank was responsible for their own loans, would they have made so many bad ones ? NO ! The deregulation occurred before the democrats had any congressional power. I will search for a date.

Here you go Frank:

So why did the banks collapse?


In 2000, outgoing Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas) attached a 262-page rider to an appropriations bill to deregulate derivatives trading and other complicated financial instruments like collateral debt obligations.

This was the effective nail in the coffin for the FDR-era Glass-Steagall Act, which put into place a number of banking regulations and created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The purpose of the Glass-Steagall Act was to prevent a repeat of the crash of 1929.

This is a cool read..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o ... ing_bubble

So what's your point ?

[f.sciarrillo]

You like history, so I thought you would want to read on the housing bubble and collapse.

[Hawk]

Why was TARP created Frank ?

A financial crisis, go figure.

How could we have had a financial crisis with GW Bush ? The tax cuts were creating millions of jobs. The deregulation of the banking industry was allowing banks to (not be responsible for their own loans) sell the mortgages to insurance companies. The rich had their tax cuts and could spend those $Millions on building a great economy!
With the Republicans having everything they wanted why did we need TARP Frank ? I don't get it ?

The tax cuts and de-regulation worked so well, let's try it again ! Good mantra Frank...

Frank ?

The tax cuts that Bush had, I feel was a similar play of Reagan. He lowered taxes and brought prosperity to the country. You were a Carter supporter, so I know you don't believe that

Yes Frank, let's look at the facts. Reagan did cut taxes, then he increased taxes to the middle class. Reagan's economic plan DOUBLED the deficit ! Bush followed his plan to a T and got the same results ! And you want more of the same ?

[Hawk]

You like history, so I thought you would want to read on the housing bubble and collapse.

I did, it came under Bush's watch. created by deregulation while he had a republican congress.

[Hawk]

Fox claimes Obama was responsible for job losses in Ohio - even though Bush was still president.

Fox now blaming Obama for job losses that occurred before he was elected
June 16, 2010
Fox & Friends twice falsely reported that Ohio has lost 400,000 jobs "under the Obama administration," and advanced the claim that as a result, Obama "has a lot of 'splaining to do." In fact, the 400,000 figure includes job losses that occurred for two years before Obama took office in the midst of a deep recession.

Is this where you get your facts Frank ?