Coffee Party Movement

[lonewolf]

Doesn't this guy remind you of Smilin' Bob?

With just a hint of Christopher Walken

[JackANSI]

Doesn't this guy remind you of Smilin' Bob?

With just a hint of Christopher Walken

[songsmith]

The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act actually used reconciliation as intended, since it was

... Republican? --->JMS

[songsmith]

I think the purpose of the Coffee Party is to stop complaining that government is the cause of all your problems, and look who else has you by the curlies. Government is not going away just because your particular brand of whackitude isn't in fashion right now. Everybody can bitch all they want, and pretend the world's coming to an end, but as long as I have a vote, I have a say. If not enough people agree with you on your issues, maybe you're just wrong.--->JMS

Posted again. Call it trolling or whatever you like.
Apparently, it struck a nerve.

BTW, the Dems' healthcare bill is gaining momentum bigtime. Last week there weren't enough votes, but... while everybody was watching Massa ruin Beck's hopes of scoring a turncoat on live tv, Pelosi was hitting the Charlie Rose show and other upscale media. The latest poll says that most people oppose the plan... until they find out what's in it. Sure the leties are pissed because it's not lefty enough, but it's political hardball of the highest order. Ask Eric Massa, or Jim Bunning.
Pelosi claims she has the votes, maybe this time she actually does. It may actually get passed, and inflame the Tea drinkers... which is usually pretty entertaining. Invest in ammo manufacturers! --->JMS

[f.sciarrillo]

I am all for what is in it, now, as long as public funded abortion stay out. It is the cost that I do not like. I won't say what I think about the outcome over all, as it will just be said as trolling. But like I said, they keep public funded abortions out and get the cost down, I think it will be a good thing.

[lonewolf]

The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act actually used reconciliation as intended, since it was

... Republican? --->JMS

Unlike Obamacare, both parties voted for COBRA because it was a bipartisan compromise of sorts; however, since your reading comprehension skills seem to have taken leave, I'll repeat this and make it short:

The bill was sponsored by Dan Rostenkowski (democrat, IL) and originated in the 58% democrat controlled House of Representatives.

[lonewolf]

Pelosi claims she has the votes, maybe this time she actually does. --->JMS

When Pelosi has the votes, you will know it...she will immediately bring it to the floor for a vote. She won't give anybody time to change their mind.

[f.sciarrillo]

Pelosi claims she has the votes, maybe this time she actually does. --->JMS

When Pelosi has the votes, you will know it...she will immediately bring it to the floor for a vote. She won't give anybody time to change their mind.

Yup. The is because she knows that is the only chance she will have. I can't wait till November. It is going to be good, that is fore sure.

[RobTheDrummer]

I can't wait for this thing to pass. There's nothing I enjoy more than throwing my hard earned money at the filth of America. Really makes me feel good inside.

[witchhunt]

I can't wait till November. It is going to be good, that is fore sure.

Mmmm, turkey and pumpkin pie.

[f.sciarrillo]

I can't wait till November. It is going to be good, that is fore sure.

Mmmm, turkey and pumpkin pie.

Dude, how did you guess? Man, I love Thanksgiving Dinner. Tis da best fo shoe!

[f.sciarrillo]

I can't wait for this thing to pass. There's nothing I enjoy more than throwing my hard earned money at the filth of America. Really makes me feel good inside.

More than a cold beer on a hot summers day?

[RobTheDrummer]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

[f.sciarrillo]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

If things work out the way they are saying, there will be some of them who won't be able to afford Thanksgiving Dinner ... Now where is the stuffing?

[Flaw]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

i really need to fix the needle on this record player

[RobTheDrummer]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

i really need to fix the needle on this record player

What are ya trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say? What are you trying to say?

Maybe the government will buy you a new needle?

[songsmith]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

All poor people are on welfare, and all on welfare abuse the system?

Nice. That's Core Conservative Values in action, right there. That's why we MUST decrease the tax burden on the rich, and why we NEED to pay an executive so much... if we didn't, all our outsourcing and corporate corruption would be ruined! When are people going to learn that America is made up of two classes, the entitled conservative corporate patriots; and shitbags. Shitbags are supposed to pay for everything, like in the days of the robber-barons, when you worked in a coalmine for Andrew Carnegie, who paid you in scrip-paper you used to pay your rent on a shack he owned, plus a little food from his general store. He indentured all the shitbags until they died or the coal tapped out... then he bought them a library or a church-organ... and wrote it off on his taxes. Stupid working-class shitbag filth.
Next consrvative target: Grandma's. Grandma's are what's wrong with the country today. They suck up all the entitlements, like Social Security they paid little into, Medicare, and old-people vans. Grannies of the US: you should have worked harder, and planned better. While you useless old biddies were wasting your lives raising children and watching soap-operas, you could have been working for minimum wage (min-wage is another travesty of justice) or something useful for a rich guy. Your situation, -- elderly, sick, poor -- is your own fault, so stop complaining. At least the Grandpa's had the sense to work really hard and die sooner. --->JMS

[bassist_25]

It will be Thanksgiving from the government. Thanks for taking more of my money and giving it to shitbags who abuse the system...

Coming from a town in PA that has a prison and knowing both prison guards and having family who are prison guards, I know that there are a lot of corrections officers who are as big or even bigger pieces of human shit than the inmates. I don't like funding these people with my taxes.

HOWEVER...I know that not every corrections officer is scum.

Despite what the talking heads would have you believe, not every person without health care is a welfare queen. A lot of them work hard, probably more so than a lot of the people on here who talk like they've busted their asses all of thier lives. It's a term I believe the economists call the working poor. It's a problem from the managerial side too. With companies trying to remain competitive, health care is another added expense. Bumping everyone to part-time creates underemployment in the economy, and offering sub-par health converage to full time employees may create adverse selection with applicants who think they're getting a better deal by staying on COBRA until the economy picks up. The fact of the matter is that you're going to be hard pressed to find objective information from the think tanks on either the left or right about how many non-insured people are employed versus how many are teriminal reliefers, because the findings are going to ultimately hurt both sides' cases to a certain extent.

My point is that the system is broken, and I'd trust Stevie Wonder behind the steering wheel of a car more than anyone who thinks it's fine and dandy. I honestly don't know if Obamacare and the Dems' plan is the answer. However, the two-step alternate from the other side of the aisle doesn't offer much solution: 1. Don't get sick unless you're independently wealthy 2. Get tort reform, which of course supports the long-standing rightwing agenda that anyone with "Esq." or "J.D." behind their name is obviously evil. It's going to be interesting to see how things play out.

BTW, I took the Coffee Sphere survey if anyone wants to compare their sphere.

[RobTheDrummer]

Wow, I didn't realize I was a piece of shit....

Anyways, what I said is that people who ABUSE the system. Your generalizing of my words johnny and paul is like grade school stuff......anyways, if just one person abuses the system and I have to pay for that one person, I feel like I'm being ripped off. I never said all welfare recipients were bums, I said the shitbags that abuse the system. I think we do need some form of help for people, its just that it's way too easy for people to manipulate. What do you think the healthcare bill will be?

You guys don't have to be assholes because you disagree with my statements....geesh.

Oh and I know shitbag officers too.....

[BloodyFingers]

Rum Party for me or The redneck yact club life is to short to waste Hot women Hot Bikes,Trucks, Cars JEEPS etc,Cold Drinks and Gooooood Friends screw the rest Maggot Brain

Now this is living, you forgot great music and smoke.!!! LOL

[zman1200]

Maggot Brain I think George Clinton got it covered Rum party meeting tonight.sorry I started early

[RamRod 1]

Maggot Brain I think George Clinton got it covered Rum party meeting tonight.sorry I started early

Yeah, sounds like you did. I just regret that I wasn't On Board!

[bassist_25]

Wow, I didn't realize I was a piece of shit....

You guys don't have to be assholes because you disagree with my statements....geesh.

I was illustrating a point that it is easy to generalize based upon a narrow sociological schema. I was infering that you weren't one of the douchebag corrections officers, though I know that many are.

Anyways, what I said is that people who ABUSE the system. Your generalizing of my words johnny and paul is like grade school stuff......anyways, if just one person abuses the system and I have to pay for that one person, I feel like I'm being ripped off. I never said all welfare recipients were bums, I said the shitbags that abuse the system. I think we do need some form of help for people, its just that it's way too easy for people to manipulate.

If that was your point, then I apologize. You do often paint things with two brushes - one with black and one with white. However, if you do want to help those truly in need you're going to have to accept the fact that you're going to also be subsidizing those system abusers - and there will always be system abusers no matter how much welfare reform there is. It is the theory of social loafers and free riders within a collective system. Likewise, I have no problem with my taxes paying your wages, and I accept the inevitable reality that they also pay the shitbags' wages.

We all already subsidize people's health coverage. If you're healthy, you're subsidizing someone else who is a member of your insurance company who requires monthly medication. True, that person probably has higher premiums, but the cost is still spread out amongst all of the consumers of that insurance company's coverage. Structural and financial issues aside, what's the philosophical difference between subsidizing health care through premiums versus subsidizing it through taxes? That's not really directed at Rob but is more of a rhetorical question to everyone.

As far as what the bill is going to contain, I guess we'll wait and see what gets passed if anything gets passed. I think Obama's adherence to keeping everyone happy is going to ultimately be his undoing and will probably make what once was a fairly decent bill be a rather weak piece of legislation that ends up throwing a bunch of money down the drain without any tangible results. Hopefully I'm wrong, though.

[songsmith]

What B25 said. In any group, there will be abusers, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not a viable alternative. Even among the gainfully-employed, there are guys who skate, and are perfectly willing to let you do their work... it's human nature, and it sucks. But that doesn't mean you shut down the company and fire everyone.
The thing about the people who abuse the system is, they always pay in some way... there's always a price to be paid for everything. Donee's might get a bigscreen on the welfare dime, but they pay with their self-esteem... they don't enjoy the things you and I take for granted, like respect and admiration from others. Your average welfare recipient doesn't want you to know he's on welfare, because unless that person is obviously unable to work, it says, "I am a loser." And everyone knows it.
I applied once. I had no work, lived alone in a tiny one-room apt., and was stealing apples to stay alive. I wanted desperately to find work, but it just wasn't there. I dragged my sorry ass over to the welfare office, sat in the waiting room, and when they called my name in front of all those other people, my face got hot, and I put my head down and walked to the desk where everyone could hear my intake interview, and what a loser I was. My voice cracked the whole time, and when it was done, I was turned down because I made $405 the month before, and the limit was $400. I walked back home because I couldn't put gas in my car. It was utterly soul-crushing.
I don't want to support drug-addled miscreants any more than you do, Rob, but there are kids in the equation, too, and their situations aren't their fault. I'm not coming down hard you, personally, just the general idea that if you can't afford the necessities of life (medical care is usually a necessity), you don't deserve to live. It's social Darwinism, survival of the fittest, and if that's the rule of humanity, the predator-prey relationship, then one can't complain when the table are turned. You can't blame the wildebeest when they kick the shit out of the lion.
It's nature's way. --->JMS

[f.sciarrillo]

There is a difference between needing the help and abusing the system. I am sure we all know what those differences are? If not then go past a low income housing project in your 75 pinto and look at the people on welfare, the ones sitting out front with new clothes on them and their eight kids, a new car and a case of beer (corona at that) beside them. I am sure you will then get the idea.