a lot of really great points here. i appreciate your detailed response.. goes to the heart of the matter.bassist_25 wrote:Is it crap then? Isn't music supposed to move people? You're confusing technical proficiency with cultural significance.gosteelers wrote:
but lots of stuff that is popular that's moves people is really crap.
If you can sing in key, you have talent. If you can play in time, you have talent. However, the artistic value of using those talents is subjective and even critical theory analysis can't produce any objective measurement of its "goodness" or "badness"take for instance current crapola kids crazy about today.. uhh for instance black-eyed pissants? they suck LARGE imo, no talent no nothing borne
How are the Black Eyed Peas less talented than the Outlaws? The music of the Outlaws is, for all definitions and purposes, quite simplistic when compared to classical, baroque, jazz, or any myriad of Eastern music that's based on semi-tone scales when compared to Western music's half-tone scale. A lot of the people who play that type of music look down on rock music, along with other types of pop and folk music, the same way you look down at the Black Eyed Peas. Check out Wynton Marsalis; he's one of the biggest elitists to ever play jazz and thinks that rock music is crap. Hell, Segovia thought the electric guitar was just a gimmicky toy.
For better or for worse, music's a business. If you don't market your music in one way or another, who the hell is going to hear you? No, it's not focus groups and market research, but you are marketing when you play a live show if the idea is to get people to hear your music and buy your album. If a certain band from Liverpool hadn't marketed themselves on The Ed Sullivan show a couple decades ago, the face of popular music in America would probably be quite different.in a corporate boardroom full of lawyers scored "lottery" largely due to marketing efforts.
Maybe so or maybe not - Either way, just about every generation or cohort thinks the new generation or cohort are wrong. At least that's my pop sociology theory. And what exactly is real talent and soul?kids don't know sh^t these days!they have no clue what real talent/soul
Yes, but you have two choices. You can accept that some people just like crap, or you can be a Sideshow Bob and try and shove high culture down everyone's throats.it's just not all about personal preference. a lot of people like crap.
I used to turn my nose up at the style that I'm currently playing. You can ask our singer. I auditioned for a project he had before bad daZe, and I literally, flat-up said that I wasn't interested because I didn't find the music technically challenging enough as a bass player. Long story short, I ended up playing that style of music in this current project. I learned that my timing wasn't as good as I thought it was. My technique wasn't as clean as I thought it was. My tone was nowhere as good as I thought it was. My backing vocals...well, they were nonexistant prior to joining. I might of thought that I was playing "simplistic" music, but I had to get the mechanics of my playing down.guess i am trying to get in the head of prof musicians.. see what you see. maybe that is impossible
I've played a range of music in my career, some of it probably thought of as crapola. However, I've learned something valuable from each and every playing situation that I've ever been in.
some stuff is crap.. but i have trouble defining it. crap has no "soul" .. like pop crap like the "back street boys" stuff that was borne not of real love/lust for the "tune" but from the boardroom of the corporate attorney! your post did make me think about it because i can't quite put my finger on crap.. but i know it when i hear it
i was hoping you'd maybe give me a more objective/technical explanation from the perspective of a prof musician. just what is "crowded"?? 
