Decriminalization considered

[bsaller]

There is a statistic somewhere that states that 1 out of every 3 Americans in jail is drug related. Seems to me that the only thing drug laws do is make criminals out of millions of American citizens.

Take away all the wasted money on drug interdiction efforts, local and state and federal policing, and also drug incarceration, you would be able to start balancing the budget.

What would happen if they stopped the drug laws? People would do drugs. How is that a different outcome than what is going on now, people do drugs now. The outcome would be BILLIONS in savings and thousands of lives not wasted with criminal records.

Not to forget the millions of dollars that the dealers won't get. I'd as soon pay a fair price plus tax. That's better than $100.00 for a dime bag!!

[metalchurch]

There is a statistic somewhere that states that 1 out of every 3 Americans in jail is drug related. Seems to me that the only thing drug laws do is make criminals out of millions of American citizens.

Take away all the wasted money on drug interdiction efforts, local and state and federal policing, and also drug incarceration, you would be able to start balancing the budget.

What would happen if they stopped the drug laws? People would do drugs. How is that a different outcome than what is going on now, people do drugs now. The outcome would be BILLIONS in savings and thousands of lives not wasted with criminal records.

I forget exactly how many, but there's a fair amount of people in prison for less than 1oz. of weed. Now some of that may be coupled with a parole voilation, but still it's fuckin bullshit.
People are gonna smoke pot either way, and those who dont aren't just gonna start up because it is legal....well some of them will, but not enough to make a difference really.

What I dont care for are random piss tests at work. Someone can lose their job/career for something they do at home on their own time which has nothing to do with their work ethic or performance at work.
Now I can see if someone is visibly intoxicated/under the influence, damaging company property, or straight up being a dick head, so that's warranted in my opinion, but to hit them with a random is bullshit and un called for in my opinion.

There's alot that surround this subject that just sucks, and I hate to even complain cause there's nothing that I can do to change it, unless I get the choice to vote on it if this come to fruition..

[RobTheDrummer]

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

[BloodyFingers]

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much guys. It would be nice but I just don't see it happening. Obama might try but I doubt it will make it thru congress. You forgot about that bunch of old cronees.

[bsaller]

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

No, the statistics where about weed, I rememeber cause I about shit when I heard the figure. It was on NatGeo channel. The show was about growing weed for medicinal purposes.
Some of the most luscious buds I've ever seen! 17%-20% THC. The stuff we smoked back in the day was 3%-10% THC

[metalchurch]

I saw that one also. And the History chanel was had a show entirely about Marijuana as well with alot of facts, tidbits, and buds.
I'm sorry to hear that your weed sucked so bad back then
I remember hearing about how good it was, guess not.

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

Nothing wrong with any drug if you ask me bro.
It's all about moderation and self control. Gotta know when to say when.
To me those who cant...fuck em....Population control, and survival of the fittest.

The way I look at it is, as long as I'm a productive member of society and I dont cause problems and hurt anyone else in the process, then I should be able to do what in the fuck I want to do in my own household.
But I guess I'm a bad person because I like to catch a buzz?
(This isnt directed at you Rob, I'm speaking toward drug laws, and people who look down on Everyone who uses)

To me drugs are no worse than alcohol. It's all about moderation and knowing how to handle your shit. sure can you die faster if you arent careful? Yes.
Just gotta remember to moderate.
Also, I generally stay at home as opposed to going out. Not that I cant handle going out, because I have. I just dont get the urge to rob old ladies, or whatever else to supply my habit, or go on murderous rampages, because I feel the need to.
Maybe I'm one of the few who they call a functioning addict? Whatever the case I dont know? All that I know is that I'm livin the way I want t the moment and I'm quite happy. Who can condemn someone for that?
What can ya do right? I'll quit when I'm ready to quit, or when my liver shuts down

[RobTheDrummer]

I saw that one also. And the History chanel was had a show entirely about Marijuana as well with alot of facts, tidbits, and buds.
I'm sorry to hear that your weed sucked so bad back then
I remember hearing about how good it was, guess not.

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

Nothing wrong with any drug if you ask me bro.
It's all about moderation and self control. Gotta know when to say when.
To me those who cant...fuck em....Population control, and survival of the fittest.

The way I look at it is, as long as I'm a productive member of society and I dont cause problems and hurt anyone else in the process, then I should be able to do what in the fuck I want to do in my own household.
But I guess I'm a bad person because I like to catch a buzz?
(This isnt directed at you Rob, I'm speaking toward drug laws, and people who look down on Everyone who uses)

To me drugs are no worse than alcohol. It's all about moderation and knowing how to handle your shit. sure can you die faster if you arent careful? Yes.
Just gotta remember to moderate.
Also, I generally stay at home as opposed to going out. Not that I cant handle going out, because I have. I just dont get the urge to rob old ladies, or whatever else to supply my habit, or go on murderous rampages, because I feel the need to.
Maybe I'm one of the few who they call a functioning addict? Whatever the case I dont know? All that I know is that I'm livin the way I want t the moment and I'm quite happy. Who can condemn someone for that?
What can ya do right? I'll quit when I'm ready to quit, or when my liver shuts down

I mean, weed is ok in my book, however there are drugs out there that take control of people's lives. They can't use in moderation because they are addicted.

[metalchurch]

Sure they are more addictive, but not everyone who uses them becomes addicted.
Use in moderation and exhibit a little self control and you can make it another day to enjoy another buzz. Thats the way I look at it anyway.

Alot of the more elicit drugs are glamourized as being killers do detract people from using them, and rightly so, because there's a reason so many people are dying from them in the first place.
I've lost many friends from overdoses, car crashes, murders, and whatever else, and that only makes me more careful and aware of what I'm doing and how much I'm doing.

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[Colton]

Joe, you seem to have this delusion that most people have willpower.

[metalchurch]

No, I'm sayin they don't.

[RobTheDrummer]

Sure they are more addivtice, but not everyone who uses them becomes addicted.
Use in moderation and exhibit a little self control and you can make it another day to enjoy another buzz. Thats the way I look at it anyway.

Alot of the more elicit drugs are glamourized as being killers do detract people from using them, and rightly so, because there's a reason so many people are dying from them in the first place.
I've lost many friends from overdoses, car crashes, murders, and whatever else, and that only makes me more careful and aware of what I'm doing and how much I'm doing.

I know a lot of people whose lives were destroyed by using drugs, legal or not. Same thing with alcohol, sure it's legal, but there are a lot of people that have no self control. I don't care if weed is legalized, but saying all drugs should be legal, that's a different story all together. that's all i'm saying.

[metalchurch]

Yeah I know Rob, I'm sorry if you thought that I was implying otherwise.
I'm all for everything, but that might not be good I guess.
It doesnt really matter to me either way, cause I'll continue to do what I want to do, but it would make it easier thats for sure.
I'm done with this subject now, cause you all probably think I'm on drugs or something...

[witchhunt]

It's always the biggest thing on the sign. cosmetics...sundries...DRUGS

[bassist_25]

The stuff we smoked back in the day was 3%-10% THC

Beau = The You Should Have Been There Smoker

[Banned]

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

No, the statistics where about weed, I rememeber cause I about shit when I heard the figure. It was on NatGeo channel. The show was about growing weed for medicinal purposes.
Some of the most luscious buds I've ever seen! 17%-20% THC. The stuff we smoked back in the day was 3%-10% THC

Bo, how did you measure the content?

[lonewolf]

There are rationalizations for every sort of human behavior.

My favorite ones, though, are the rants of the common pothead and the many wonderful qualities of the hemp plant.

[RobTheDrummer]

Crack, Meth, and Heroine should never be legal. Period. They fuck people up too bad. People will sell everything they have, and everything their friends have just to get that high from that shit. I can't say I want more people doing them. If you know it's legal, then a lot more people would be prone to trying, and some of these drugs take one time and you are hooked.

[bsaller]

Don't forget that drug related, also means heroine, cocaine, meth, pills, and other crime caused by drug usage and abuse.

No, the statistics where about weed, I rememeber cause I about shit when I heard the figure. It was on NatGeo channel. The show was about growing weed for medicinal purposes.
Some of the most luscious buds I've ever seen! 17%-20% THC. The stuff we smoked back in the day was 3%-10% THC

Bo, how did you measure the content?

I didn't measure the content. The NatGeo program told me. Altough, one time a friend of mine came in from Texas with some homegrown. We did a doobie from Eldorado to 4 Dee's. When I sat down at the bar I couldn't feel my ass! I knew that had to be in the 15%-20%!!!

[bsaller]

The stuff we smoked back in the day was 3%-10% THC

Beau = The You Should Have Been There Smoker

I think I threw that out in '96' after the flood. I do still have my " A Childs Garden of Grass" though.

[lonewolf]

We did a doobie from Eldorado to 4 Dee's. When I sat down at the bar I couldn't feel my ass! I knew that had to be in the 15%-20%!!!

That's an awful long walk.

[songsmith]

There are rationalizations for every sort of human behavior.

My favorite ones, though, are the rants of the common pothead and the many wonderful qualities of the hemp plant.

I take it you are a non-drinker as well?--->JMS

[lonewolf]

There are rationalizations for every sort of human behavior.

My favorite ones, though, are the rants of the common pothead and the many wonderful qualities of the hemp plant.

I take it you are a non-drinker as well?--->JMS

What do you think that was in my glass when we went to see your band at that bar? Don't answer that.

I am an ex-pothead (understatement) and a social drinker who doesn't bother rationalizing drinking.

I would like to know how many potheads smoke weed purely for its flavor and smoking pleasure? (here's where I find out who the Rockpage liars are, lol)

[HurricaneBob]

I would like to know how many potheads smoke weed purely for its flavor and smoking pleasure? (here's where I find out who the Rockpage liars are, lol)

Different kinds of pot offer different flavors, you didnt know this? From the mellow browns to the sweet tasting mean green skunk, im not goint to sit around filling my hookah with ragweed, wheres the pleasure in that?
No lies here, there's pleasure in smoking the good flavors with the added bonus of the buzz.

[bassist_25]

If you know it's legal, then a lot more people would be prone to trying, and some of these drugs take one time and you are hooked.

I don't know, Rob. Do you have evidence to back that up? I don't either. I think most reasonably intelligent people know that crack is bad for you. Will it being legal make people try it just because they can? I don't know that either. People continued to drink and go to speekeasys when prohibition was around.

I really don't care either way, as I've never had the urge to slam some heroin or smoke a little crack. I would, however, like to see all of the gangs and low-lifes have their power taken away from them, since there's obviously a demand for their product. Then again, decriminalizing that stuff creates a whole host of other problems. There's never an easy solution.

[songsmith]

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I am an ex-pothead (understatement) and a social drinker who doesn't bother rationalizing drinking.

I would like to know how many potheads smoke weed purely for its flavor and smoking pleasure? (here's where I find out who the Rockpage liars are, lol)

I am, as always, pulling your chain.
It's like being an ex-cigarette-smoker. Once you see what you're doing, you SEE what you're doing. Carry on, then.--->JMS