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Hurricane wrote:I hate when sit in drummers have to play with there pants off, leaving a bacon strip on my seat. :oops:
Speaking off which,he's my pet peeve and it just happened over a week ago,we were playing with The Murder Junkies and lo and behold we show up at The 31st Street Pub,then we were told that they brought no gear and would be using OUR gear.All of our gear except guitars.So as soon as we were done I dragged my gear of the stage and took it right out the door.The one guitarist came running over and was like whaa,whaa whaa and I said to him kindly "Too fucking bad,bring your own fucking gear next time" but the kicker was that the drummer used our kit and he likes to play COMPLETELY nude,and Rick(our drummer) freaked the fuck out.Because Dino (Murder Junkies)after one part of the show decides to show everyone in the audience that he can put 3 DRUMSTICKS up in his ass at the same time,then pull them out and sit right back down on the drum throne.As soon as they were done Rick went back in the back and got a bucket of bleach water and dumped it on his throne. The moral of the story is: DON'T AGREE TO PLAY WITH THE MURDER JUNKIES BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND DON'T BRING GEAR.
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How about when the sound guy makes the kick drum fifty times louder than anything else in the whole band just for the sole purpose of showing off is subwoofer penis.
this is ultra stupid for sure; and with scooped mids can be the kiss if death. :x
I hate when sit in drummers have to play with there pants off, leaving a bacon strip on my seat.
that mf'er would be licking his ass sweat off of my seat before I started playing... :twisted:

How a bout when a sound guy is clearly not paying attention to the band and doest boost a guitar lead??? NOT PAYING ATTENTION.... I understand this also falls on the guitarists to have adequate equipment and swiching channels BUT COME ON; if u can mix the vocals at 130db I think u can push a lead if it needs some help


Another pet peeve of mine is when a sound engineer runs our band and puts all kinds of reverb on my vocals. Nice warm reverb on Zeppelin, Counting Crows, Disturbed, Daughtry, Kiss, Stray Cats, Staind, Hendrix, Nirvana, country, southern rock, classic rock, modern rock is cool...


in our genre of music IT :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: ING SUCKS!!!!!!! Dont mix my vocals with TONS of hall reverb 20 db above the band. Mesas and Ampegs and Diezels dont have the boomy delayed sound, so mixing the vocals this way makes the vocals and drums sound ultra cheesy. The vokills are SUPPOSED to sound like a blowtorch not a scented candle. To run a death, grindcore, deathgroove band, I think u should listen to a reasonably good recording to understand the nuiances of the music.

I am going to mow my grass and try to avoid leaving a strip of bacon on my tractor. :shock:
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Plastered Bastards wrote:
Hurricane wrote:I hate when sit in drummers have to play with there pants off, leaving a bacon strip on my seat. :oops:
after one part of the show decides to show that he can put 3 DRUMSTICKS up in his ass at the same time,then pull them out and sit right back down on the drum throne
I didn't know that RobTheDrummer played for The Murder Junkies. :lol:
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Scooping the Mids. Last week we played a 4 band bennie on Sunday after our own show on Saturday. So I played soundman all day. Two of the other guitarists played through my rig which was already set up. Worked just fine.

The second band's guitarist HAD to use his own stuff. Turns out it was a Mesa Triple and Marshall 1960. Should sound amazing!

How sad that my $400 Line 6 pedal board and bottom of the barrel Fender 2x12 blew that Mesa away.

Now I'm not saying for a second that my rig is better than a Recto. No way in hell. Turns out this guy used an EQ pedal. And took away everything between 250hz and 1.2K. I couldn't even believe it was possible that a $2000+ amp could make such a horrendous sound. The treble was peircing. I actually muted the PA channel several times and it made almost no difference in overall mix from where I was sitting.

PLEASE KIDS>>>> Don't scoop the mids. That's where all the volume and punch live.
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Plastered Bastards wrote:
Hurricane wrote:I hate when sit in drummers have to play with there pants off, leaving a bacon strip on my seat. :oops:
Speaking off which,he's my pet peeve and it just happened over a week ago,we were playing with The Murder Junkies and lo and behold we show up at The 31st Street Pub,then we were told that they brought no gear and would be using OUR gear.All of our gear except guitars.So as soon as we were done I dragged my gear of the stage and took it right out the door.The one guitarist came running over and was like whaa,whaa whaa and I said to him kindly "Too fucking bad,bring your own fucking gear next time" but the kicker was that the drummer used our kit and he likes to play COMPLETELY nude,and Rick(our drummer) freaked the fuck out.Because Dino (Murder Junkies)after one part of the show decides to show everyone in the audience that he can put 3 DRUMSTICKS up in his ass at the same time,then pull them out and sit right back down on the drum throne.As soon as they were done Rick went back in the back and got a bucket of bleach water and dumped it on his throne. The moral of the story is: DON'T AGREE TO PLAY WITH THE MURDER JUNKIES BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND DON'T BRING GEAR.
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you would think with all of the money they've made off of GG Allin's namesake...that they could afford gear and probably a fucking crew to haul it around.
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And I'd guarantee that said naked drummer was so unattractive he had no business taking his pants off in the first place.
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Bag wrote:
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Hurricane wrote:I hate when sit in drummers have to play with there pants off, leaving a bacon strip on my seat. :oops:
after one part of the show decides to show that he can put 3 DRUMSTICKS up in his ass at the same time,then pull them out and sit right back down on the drum throne
I didn't know that RobTheDrummer played for The Murder Junkies. :lol:

Rob just taught him the trick. Rob can take three drumsticks from a butterball turkey and still sit down and run double kick.
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stratobastard27 wrote:Scooping the Mids. Last week we played a 4 band bennie on Sunday after our own show on Saturday. So I played soundman all day. Two of the other guitarists played through my rig which was already set up. Worked just fine.

The second band's guitarist HAD to use his own stuff. Turns out it was a Mesa Triple and Marshall 1960. Should sound amazing!

How sad that my $400 Line 6 pedal board and bottom of the barrel Fender 2x12 blew that Mesa away.

Now I'm not saying for a second that my rig is better than a Recto. No way in hell. Turns out this guy used an EQ pedal. And took away everything between 250hz and 1.2K. I couldn't even believe it was possible that a $2000+ amp could make such a horrendous sound. The treble was peircing. I actually muted the PA channel several times and it made almost no difference in overall mix from where I was sitting.

PLEASE KIDS>>>> Don't scoop the mids. That's where all the volume and punch live.
Is this scooping the mids thing mainly a guitarist no-no? Cause a bassist with a mid heavy setup, especially on a single 15" speaker, just makes my head hurt....

For bass these are my peeves...

I can't stand bassists that have nothing but mids (sorry!). Put more watts behind it, shelf at <=50hz with 3db/octave, cut anything subaudible or below your cabinet's range <=28hz.

Add more speakers for volume and throw. Volume comes from moving more air.

Never make your rig do something it can't.

If you only have 1 or more 15", get a 2x10 to go with it at least, thats where you'll pick up some definition and punch without having to make everyone's ears ring and feel wore out from overloading them with mid frequencies.

Its called an "equalizer" not a "lopsider".

Unless you're playing metal, dub, or outdoors, leave the 18" at home.

Unless you're crazy or absolutely need it, leave the B&C 21" at home.

Never play a small club with a folded horn.

If you can limbo between your strings and fret board, it may be time to tighten the truss rod a tad.


Borrowing/sharing equipment peeves:

Always bring your own equipment. I can tell if I can trust you just by one look at you, nothing you say will change that. If I let you borrow my rig for a song or two, don't fiddle with the knobs, in fact don't even look at them, the knobs are where they are for a reason.

Do not beat on my strings like they are yours, you have no idea how much they may actually cost. I will destroy them myself thank you very much.


General peeves..

Always give the sound guy the choice: Pre or Post EQ, don't make it for him. You're exempt from this when mic'ing the cabinet.

When playing out with other bands, top billed is top billed. Usually the top billed has their name on top of the list in a much bigger font (or it will be worded like: Jo Mama /w, with, or featuring Jo Papa.) that show bill is NOT the play order! If top billing is in question, those who set the gig up and invited anyone else are generally top billed.

Have your sound guy (this applies to DJ's too) start with the mains volume low and work up, not start at really f-in loud and work up to INSANELY F-IN LOUD. I might want to talk to that chick over there without screaming in her ear, that is, if she can still hear at all anymore. You are not Spinal Tap, Disaster Area, or The Who. You are playing in a local bar for crying out... quietly! I won't stick around if I can't conversate. Call me weird, I guess.
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I have two pet peeves when working with sound guys who don't know how we like to sound and take matters into their own hands.

One is when they feel they need to have so much reverb on the vocals (and, sometimes, the instruments) that we sound like we are in a cave. We have had this happen a couple times and it was so much that is sounded like an echo coming back at us a second later. One guy even had it in the monitor mix and drove us crazy. Many sound guys feel they need to do this especially when we play Another Brick In The Wall for some reason.

The other is when my bass mix through the mains is absolutely nothing like my stage mix and does not sound like I usually do even after I tell them what it should be. I like when you can hear every note and not low, distorted and muddy sounding. I don't think that is too much to ask.

One pet peeve about audience members is when somebody yells out something like Ozzy (or other band or song) and after you politely say, "They are good or that song is good but I am sorry we do not play that." and during and after every song for the next two hours they keep yelling and asking for the same thing you said you don't know.
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I hate it when someone asks me to use my bass rig AFTER I tear it down and almost pack it up. Well let me be more specific, I hate letting anybody use any of my stuff but ESPECIALLY after I tear down and pack up. How do these people practice if they don't have any freakin equipment?

I hate when bands have to cuss on stage every 2 seconds to seem like their tougher or something

but heres the one that always amazes me to no end....

Whenever a band bitches to the crowd to tell them to get inside or stand right up front for their set EVEN THOUGH THEY STOOD OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT THE WHOLE TIME UNTIL THEIR SET!
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EyesOfAnguishbassist wrote:
Whenever a band bitches to the crowd to tell them to get inside or stand right up front for their set EVEN THOUGH THEY STOOD OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT THE WHOLE TIME UNTIL THEIR SET!
Yep. That's retarded for sure, and it happens alot.

I swear ALOT! I'm not trying to be tough, I'm just a guttermouth. I think if done properly it's beatiful. George Carlin and Richard Pryor both mastered this. Even Sam Kinison was pretty good at it, but sometimes he wasd annoying.
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DirtySanchez wrote:
EyesOfAnguishbassist wrote:
Whenever a band bitches to the crowd to tell them to get inside or stand right up front for their set EVEN THOUGH THEY STOOD OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT THE WHOLE TIME UNTIL THEIR SET!
Yep. That's retarded for sure, and it happens alot.

I swear ALOT! I'm not trying to be tough, I'm just a guttermouth. I think if done properly it's beatiful. George Carlin and Richard Pryor both mastered this. Even Sam Kinison was pretty good at it, but sometimes he wasd annoying.
Vulgarity is just a part of our show.
Its not that I have a thing against cussing, I cuss all the time, its just IMO some bands are annoying with it. I remember seeing you guys a few times and I never thought you went overboard with it, and besides, you ARE tough. :twisted:

I just remember seeing this one band and the dude said and I quote " GET THE FUCK IN HERE, YOUR MISSING OUT ON THE HEAVIEST FUCKING BAND HERE TONIGHT!" to people outside and throughout their set you could just tell he got off to saying the F word several times and he didn't even use it at cool times, he just rambled about how F-ING HEAVY and good they were lol.
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DirtySanchez wrote:
EyesOfAnguishbassist wrote:
Whenever a band bitches to the crowd to tell them to get inside or stand right up front for their set EVEN THOUGH THEY STOOD OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT THE WHOLE TIME UNTIL THEIR SET!
Yep. That's retarded for sure, and it happens alot.
Welcome to playing all ages shows. All of the stupid scene kids are retarded like that. Their flatbill hats may be on too tight...or maybe their multi-colored Chiodos hoodie only looks good out in the sun...I don't know.

The only times it is acceptable to hang in the parking lot is for beer bonging and/or drug use in the parking lot. That can be done between sets...
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hmmm, Mine are....

When the musicians in a band get all bent outta shape cause they sound like shit in the mix... this goes with the scooping the mids.. and other things... If you sound like shit on stage your gonna sound like shit out front just louder.. Just cause us soundmen have decent P.A. systems dont mean we can work magic and perform miracles. ..

When the lead singer has no mic control, or aims the mic right at the monitors. Or when singers cup the mic. sheesh.. if you want to sound like a megaphone.. then get a magaphone. Or when they come to a part where there is some screamin.. and then they eat the mic.. then they wonder why the people in the crowd say .. i can only hear him when he screams... Oh well... tell him to learn some mic technique.

I hate these bands that bitch and bitch about the soundguys and how bad of a job they did, when all the problems that the soundman had all night, was coming from the bands lack of experience, in some shape or form...

Then you have these guys that turn up so damn loud, you cant get a good mix... Then i feel like a dickhead when i go tell them to turn down a lil... and all im trying to do is save their mix. Then the guy gets louder... so loud i gotta take him outta the mix to even try and salvage a good sound. It is the soundmans job to make it sound as best as possible, and if it sounds better with you outta the mix cause your too damn loud.. so be it. .. If your gonna be that much of an idiot,, you shouldnt even be in a band..

Dont get me wrong... I learned the hard way...I used to be the guy with the scooped mids... and the 3 year old guitar stings... and the turn everything up to 11 guy.. But i got tired of sounding like shit.. I started taking peoples advise. I just started messing with my knobs untill I started hearing people in the crowd and the sound guys tell me that my tone is great... So i went with what was working and i havent had a issue since.

Guys with wireless systems... Yeah they are neat lil gadgets. But they do require some set up.. very rarely will you get one outta the box and it be perfectly set up for any pa. system... most of the upper end ones have a tiny lil gain screw inside either the receiver or the mic itself.. Some wireless mics are too hot !! so you gotta tame them a lil.

Then you have the issue of going to far away.. what happens is a delay occurs.. and the vocals dont match the music.. It might be ok out in the mix... idk I have never been out there when this occured.. but it sure does mess the band up... I have found myself yelling hey come back!!! a few times... haha

Singers with lyric sheets.. There ok if your leaning.. But that is the key word here.... LEARN !! Be the master of your craft.. If your gonna call yourself a singer be good at it in all aspects. The whole band takes the time to learn every note, every riff, every hammer-on, every solo note, every build up and break down, every drum part, every bass line, and all you gotta do is learn 3 verses to a song... come on !!!! We had a guy sing for us once that had lyric sheets for songs he sang for 5 years. I think someone smoked to many pappy pipes. That would be like me messing the same guitar part up for 5 years.

Guys that miss practice... We had this one guy for 3 months, but we only practiced for 2 months collectively. He used the "im sick with diarrea, its comming out both ends" excuse twice in 3 weeks... we called him back to give him another day that we could practice.. and he was outside shovelin snow... Now I dont know about you but if im throwin up and shittin myself... im surely not going outside to shovel some snow.. Hey maybe the guy was really sick, guess i'll never know... but if your good enough to shovel snow, your good enough to come to practice. I dont devote my time for the hell of it.... If I show up for pracitce, I expect you to. If I come and I know my parts, I expect you to come and know ur parts.

We had this one guy once.. a singer.. haha... and I gave him a list of only 5 songs to learn. well he came to practice and didnt know one of em... And he had two weeks to learn em.... I learned all my guitar parts in two weeks. I was just like.. what the F**K did you do for the last two weeks.. Pull your head outta your old lady's ass and learn your parts... "but I dont have time I work 12 hours a day"... HEY you know that hour thats between dinner time and when wheel of fourtune comes on... I know you worked hard all day.. but if you cant devote one hour a day to your music and your band... you shouldnt even be in a band. Hell i work 10 and 12 hour days all the time... but I show up knowing my parts. and you never hear me whinin about it.. hey thats life.. you gotta do what you gotta do.. if its not right for you then do somethin else. NO HARD FEELINGS.. Unless you keep wastin my time... Oh and Jason... Relax this has nothing at all to do with you... hahaha.. I'm just bitchin about my past experiences. Besides your new and i dont think you could ever be as bad as some of these guys... Dont prove me wrong !@! hahaha

One more... Guys that dont learn the songs right... Now im not saying play it exacly like the record..in fact i encourage you never to do that.. but at least get in the ballpark...... ok thats enough ... peace, dreams, and streetz
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The person who says "Play (Name song/band here)".

"Ah, sorry man. Don't play that one."

"Aw, come on. It's just "Na, nana, na. You know it. I'll sing it.".

'Cause...ya...that's goin' to happen.

Others:

The dumb bastard that grabs your mic for ANY reason.

Next, the equally-as-dumb, though more obnoxious, freak who thinks
it's cool to go up and do some guttural, incomprehensible whatever
into a mic in between a band's songs. Might think he's the man, but
everyone in the room is saying "Get him away from that". The more
often it's done, the more he's despised.

The goof who may be too drunk to realize just how much he's risking
his life because he "knows" what needs tweaked on your board, whether
he's EVER actually seen/used/touched a board before that moment.

Basically, as has been stated, anyone touching any gear.

From the band/sound guy end. Too much gear for a room. The 10x20
room does NOT need yer big ol' can-only-be-moved-via-large-UHaul
subs to fill things out. Just goin' to muddy ya up.

Unfortunately, there are still a few sound guys/bands around who think
it terms of what was needed 20 years ago. Technology's come a long
way.

Venue owners who think a band is their jukebox; "Oh, I don't like that song.
Can you play it later and can you move these earlier? I really like those
songs". Hmm....not likely. Moving a tune is not totally out of the question...
but come on.

Another that I've seen more than has ever happened personally. A band
that asked to open for someone then bolts as soon as their set is done.
Granted, there are times they may have someplace else they need to be,
or a totally valid reason to not stick around, and I'll give anyone leeway,
but still. I've often said that one of the cool things with the hardcore crowd
is when one band ends, you'll usually find it right up front when the next
band is playing. 'At's pretty cool.

Right along these lines are, during benefits/multi-band shows, the band
that shows up right when they're in line to play, then take off right after.
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- Sound guys that don't work with the band to help them sound their best. Even veterans want to hear advice from the ears at the back of the room. If something sounds like ass, let us know.

- Band members who noodle or soundcheck on a part of song that the band doesn't know or want to play. If someone hears you play 5 seconds of "Sweet Home Alabama", they'll assume the whole band knows the song and will hound you all night.

- The Rule of Women: The one night that your girlfriend/wife decides to come to a show is the only night when women in the audience will be hanging all over you.
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Ha...this thread has taught me way too much about drummers :)
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seems I forgot some:


Feedback/sound Peeves:

Soundpersons who can't find the source of feedback in less than 10 seconds. Its not that hard really, even if you have >20 mics going at once. If you are having this trouble, they make really cheap feedback destroyers that will do an acceptable job.

Guitarists who think that just because feedback isn't there while your playing means the problem is solved. Its still there, wearing out your audience's ears, coloring your sound, and generally making you look like a douche.

People who don't listen to their soundperson when they say to "turn it down". Your soundperson shouldn't have to write a 30 page dissertation on the topic. He might know what he is talking about, after all, you are paying him for this.


Guitarist Peeves:

Remember when you're standing 2 feet in front of your amp that your ears are not on your knees. If you want to hear how loud you really are and what you really sound like, get your ears down to cabinet level. Or get a kick-back cabinet. Something.
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Jimi Hatt wrote:-
- Band members who noodle or soundcheck on a part of song that the band doesn't know or want to play. If someone hears you play 5 seconds of "Sweet Home Alabama", they'll assume the whole band knows the song and will hound you all night.
Ya, this is even worse when someone in the crowd yells a song and one of
you start playing it. Then it's "See, he/she knows it". Soundcheck, I don't
necessarily mind it. But during a show, not so good. Unfortunately, we've
prolly all done it at one time or another.
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VENTGtr wrote:The person who says "Play (Name song/band here)".

"Ah, sorry man. Don't play that one."

"Aw, come on. It's just "Na, nana, na. You know it. I'll sing it.".

'Cause...ya...that's goin' to happen.
I love that...

I either just point those people/requests to you (heheh, yes I take great pleasure in doing that) or one of the following:

"Sorry man, My guitar can only go from A to G#, last time I tried to tune to the key of "Nanana" I pulled something in my groin area."

"I didn't bring the right bass for that song, sorry."

Its amazing to me sometimes how mystical an instrument really is to some people...
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JackANSI wrote:
VENTGtr wrote:The person who says "Play (Name song/band here)".

"Ah, sorry man. Don't play that one."

"Aw, come on. It's just "Na, nana, na. You know it. I'll sing it.".

'Cause...ya...that's goin' to happen.
I love that...

I either just point those people/requests to you (heheh, yes I take gret pleasure in doing that)
'Anks buddy. KNEW IT! Must say, the girl wanting to hear "Sunday Bloody
Sunday" then showing her "skills" with beer bottle and promises of a trade
made a compelling case.


or one of the following:
JackANSI wrote:"Sorry man, My guitar can only go from A to G#, last time I tried to tune to the key of "Nanana" I pulled something in my groin area."

"I didn't bring the right bass for that song, sorry."
Ya, the simple of phrase "Ya. Nickelback. Um, that's in Drop D tuning.
We don't use that." has fended off more of those that it should. LOVE IT!
And, yes, that was the cheap Nickelback shot.
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stratobastard27 wrote:Turns out this guy used an EQ pedal. And took away everything between 250hz and 1.2K. I couldn't even believe it was possible that a $2000+ amp could make such a horrendous sound. The treble was peircing. I actually muted the PA channel several times and it made almost no difference in overall mix from where I was sitting.
That's just sad. I wish people would take some time to educate themselves on what it takes to have a good mix, starting from the stage. I don't mean that you need to have a degree in audio engineering - God knows that I'm not an expert on sound reinforcement - but at least try to take a bigger look at the picture. As Phil said a few posts above, it all starts with the stage mix. Some cats think that $30k worth of PA equipment is going to shit to wine, but that's completely false reasoning, because quality PA gear is supposed to be AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.

I'm glad to see that there are a lot of people on board with the no scooped mids thing. Actually, I didn't realize that it was such a long-reaching problem. I'm thinking that there needs to be some sort of formal organization to combat this problem.

Hmmm... ;)
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Have to wonder, how many of us (Speaking guitar-wise, specifically),
when time allows, go out in front of the PA and take a quick listen?
Obviously, optimally during soundcheck.

Really, if you know what you're listening for, or expecting to hear,
you'll probably know what to adjust in your backline.

I normally need to adjust to bring in a bit more highs once we're all
playing. How much depends on the room, etc.

Guess this is all part of the veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrring off topic, eh?
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people who don't turn down when i tell them to (me being a sound guy). When I tell someone to turn down, it's because A: you sound like shit, B: i have exceded my sound dB limit, and need to cut back anyway i can, if you do not turn down, i will cut sound anyway i can, and that is usually at the expense of every other instrument, and if that still doesn't solve it, the singer gets turned down. Listen to your sound guy, he's doing his best for YOU! Heed his advice.
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General, non-music-related pet peeve: People who feel they must blow their noses in a restaurant/any public dining area. WTF?!? How 'bout I just mosey up to your table and fart?

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