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If Japan didn't want to invoke the wrath of the USA, all they needed to do was leave us alone.SuffrInLys wrote:wonder what the little children looked like when we did the same thing in japan to end world war two for them.....
but look from all angles, watch shows on the history channel and cnn that tell the opposite side of the story and how we are looked at from other view points.
If you read or watch analyses of Truman's decision to drop the bomb, you will find that most agree that it saved lives with its outcome. The estimates reach over a million that would have died in an otherwise necessary land invasion of Japan. US lives were estimated at 100,000 minimum in a land invasion. The fact that ONE NUKE WASN'T ENOUGH to make them surrender is proof enough that invasion was the only alternative in a war that otherwise would have gone on indefinitely.
The history channel is good, but the Communist News Network is just a collection of anti-USA secular-progressives.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
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CredoSpeek
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I agree
Suffrin I agree with you !!! How many of the people in those pics will come back to life at the moment Saddam dies? I hope all of your answers will be none, this will do nothing for those people or for the families of those people , they are all dead and will be dead always and forever! And it's a fact that when a criminal is executed for the murder of another the family of the innocent victim feels worse and needs more therapy after the execution, Capital punishment is a 4th grade act of revenge. Stop the killing , ALL of the killing. Love and peace m brothers, that's what I pray for.
Re: I agree
You've got to be kidding. When the scumbag criminal is killed, he will never kill again. That's enough for me.CredoSpeek wrote:Suffrin I agree with you !!! How many of the people in those pics will come back to life at the moment Saddam dies? I hope all of your answers will be none, this will do nothing for those people or for the families of those people , they are all dead and will be dead always and forever! And it's a fact that when a criminal is executed for the murder of another the family of the innocent victim feels worse and needs more therapy after the execution, Capital punishment is a 4th grade act of revenge. Stop the killing , ALL of the killing. Love and peace m brothers, that's what I pray for.
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bassist4life2004
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SuffrInLys wrote:i know this is going to piss someone off but,
wonder what the little children looked like when we did the same thing in japan to end world war two for them
not saying he didn't get what he deserved (in my opinion he did) but who are any of us to judge?
ye (country) who is without sin... you know the rest!
we kill people like this everyday and we feel there is a justifiable reason. who is to say that we are not disagreed with by other countries and are looked at the exact same way by them as we look at saddam?
all i can say is God forbid any other country gaining enough power to hold our country accountable for the death of innocent lives that we have caused.
i did not try to start a war here so i am not going to reply to anyone that takes it that way.. but look from all angles, watch shows on the history channel and cnn that tell the opposite side of the story and how we are looked at from other view points.
Yea, the only difference there is that Japan started war with us, killed hundreds of people without provocation. We ended that war the only way it could have been ended. Unless the Kurds who were killed in this mass genocide flew planes over Baghdad and killed hundreds of people in that city, i dont see how it could have been justified.
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A few comments on this ......First Thanx Rob for showing those images...We as Americans always see the clean version of these atrocities...rarely unedited photos or unbiased versions of other types of media make it to the American people...We as a country need to see these things to truely understand what our Troops are fighting against and why they believe in what they're fighting for...As a former soldier I support all of our troops where ever they happen to be serving and am extremely proud of them....Our troops get crucified in the media in their own country for making Iraqi prisoners wear womens underwear and take pics of them in a naked pyramid, but they don't seem to care when Americans are getting dragged through the streets by Iraqi trucks or contractors are being captured and beheaded....I don't particularly think Bush made a good decision by going into Iraq but the fact is The US is there... If we leave too quickly Iran and Syria will destroy what's left and spread even more hatred toward the US....I'm going way too far with this so I'll finish up by saying Saddam got what he deserved and hopefully the country can be Stabilized asap so our troops can come home with their families where they belong.
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SuffrInLys
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alright i guess i lied
a few state that japan started it with us and they got what they deserved.. did iraq attack us and i missed it?
i was must have been misinformed.. i was under the impression that a terrorist cell attacked us which had no allegiance to any particular nation.
the town that he destroyed by the way was housing a group that was planning to assasinate him.
so we attacked a country because a very small percentage of the people were housed there were involved in a terrorist group. he attacked a town in the same manner as to him these were terrorists.
i support the soldiers fighting.. they are doing a job they are told to do.
i don't support the decision that had us go there and most of the troops that i talk to that served over there seem to agree. most of the ones i talk to state that by the time we got there it was too late and that alone made it necessary for us to be there but now most of them aren't even doing anything that can't already be done by iraq's own troops. they also state that a large number of troops they trained would take that training and the weapons and turn around and use them on americans
as i have posted before it would be like if another country waged a war with the US because the mob (which could be considered a terrorist group) is based in the US. they don't like the mob so they would destroy a whole country to try to get to them instead of the relatively small group of people who comprise it.
a few state that japan started it with us and they got what they deserved.. did iraq attack us and i missed it?
i was must have been misinformed.. i was under the impression that a terrorist cell attacked us which had no allegiance to any particular nation.
the town that he destroyed by the way was housing a group that was planning to assasinate him.
so we attacked a country because a very small percentage of the people were housed there were involved in a terrorist group. he attacked a town in the same manner as to him these were terrorists.
i support the soldiers fighting.. they are doing a job they are told to do.
i don't support the decision that had us go there and most of the troops that i talk to that served over there seem to agree. most of the ones i talk to state that by the time we got there it was too late and that alone made it necessary for us to be there but now most of them aren't even doing anything that can't already be done by iraq's own troops. they also state that a large number of troops they trained would take that training and the weapons and turn around and use them on americans
as i have posted before it would be like if another country waged a war with the US because the mob (which could be considered a terrorist group) is based in the US. they don't like the mob so they would destroy a whole country to try to get to them instead of the relatively small group of people who comprise it.
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CredoSpeek
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smart guy
Suff you seem to be an exception around here... but I willl warn you after watching these yahoos you are wasting your time, they are all " holier than thou's" everydecision the current administration has made is perfectly correct and EVERYBODY else is wrong ! I do not support right, left , or any other direction I support sensibility and intelligence and I pray for all of you to get things right with your maker before the wrath comes down on you, Conservatives are the " GOD party " yet they kill and then gat excited about killing and wanna celebrate it etc.... sounds to me like GOD is your cover when you wanna be right and your patsy when you wanna do wrong! Look in the mirror fellows long and hard...
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CredoSpeek
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Russ
Russ Russ Russ, you would feel differently if one of your children were on death row for a crime they didn't commit but were found guilty anyway, I know you will fire back some ridiculous response but remembr be careful what you wish, I will pray for your ignorance and only hope that you can receice forgiveness for your willingnes to kill your fellow man.
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Credo, I like your style! The RP status quo needs shaken up a bit.
BTW, has anybody tried one of the new Rickenbacker 4004 bass models? The 4001 and 4003 are classics, so I'm curious about the new generation.
BTW, has anybody tried one of the new Rickenbacker 4004 bass models? The 4001 and 4003 are classics, so I'm curious about the new generation.
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AMEN!rreihart wrote:I only wish the US would adopt a similar stance when it comes to death row inmates. Execution within 30 days of your final failed appeal. Why make us pay for them to take up space?
you get one appeal. If found guilty the second time.. off ya go. I extremely support this measure for convicted child molesters. And I'm not talking some pansy ass shit like Lethal injection... slap them in the chair, hook the wires up to his nuts and let that kid's parents be the one to crank it up to 11 and throw the switch.
The person below me enjoys a good spanking.
Re: Russ
I think people making it to death row for crimes they didn't commit are a thing of the past.CredoSpeek wrote:Russ Russ Russ, you would feel differently if one of your children were on death row for a crime they didn't commit but were found guilty anyway, I know you will fire back some ridiculous response but remembr be careful what you wish, I will pray for your ignorance and only hope that you can receice forgiveness for your willingnes to kill your fellow man.
I will pray that your typing skills, grammar and spelling improve. I would be ashamed to be a fellow alumnus of yours if I saw how poorly you communicate.
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CredoSpeek
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what
What do my typing skills have to do with your desire to kill people with such enthusiasm? murder is murder no matter what the venue.
A few words about 100 people who were not killed.
They very easily could have been killed, it was forcefully argued that they should have been killed and if most of us had our way, they likely would have been killed. After all, they were convicted criminals, perpetrators of a sickening cavalcade of rapes, robberies and murders.
So why should any of us have favored any of them with our tears of sympathy? Let's strap them down, plug them in, inject them and eject them from life among the living. There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't.
Unless you count the fact that they were innocent. Didn't do the crimes for which they did the time. Judicial error, corrupt cops, incompetent defense lawyers, tampered evidence - hey, it happens.
This is how the scenario has unfolded, 100 times now, since capital punishment was reinstated in the 1970s. Indeed, according to the Death Penalty Information Center, it was just this week that a man named Ray Krone became No. 100. Sentenced to die for the 1991 murder of a cocktail waitress in Phoenix, the former postal worker was instead set free on Monday. DNA evidence says the chance that Krone committed the crime is one in 1.3 quadrillion. There are 15 zeroes in a quadrillion.
That should be - probably won't be, but should - more than enough impetus for the nation to rethink its lust for capital punishment. Granted, the majority that supports the policy is shrinking, but it's still a majority. As a nation, we remain hooked on this relic of frontier justice; it seems to satisfy some primal need for judgment, unambiguous and final.
It's the finality that is the problem.
After all, you can debate the death penalty on several fronts. Religious people frequently cite their faith in arguing for it - and against it. Some observers challenge it on grounds of fairness, the fact that statistically, capital punishment falls disproportionately upon those who are poor, or male, or black. Others dispute the credibility of those assertions.
But there's one aspect of the death penalty upon which both supporters and opponents must agree: When it's done, it's done. Once an error is committed, there's no taking it back.
For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can acknowledge that simple, undeniable truth - yet still support capital punishment. But somehow, they do. Indeed, they do with enthusiasm. We countenance few barriers to this shameful national pastime. On the contrary, we happily execute the mentally retarded and the emotionally unstable. We execute those who were just children when they committed their crimes and those whose lawyers failed to provide them a defense. You say you found G-d while you were in prison? Good deal. Let us send you to meet Him.
At the end of 2000, the population of Death Row was 3,593. Convicted murderers, all.
We say, with Orwellian logic, that we must kill killers as proof of our respect for the sanctity of life. But what about the sanctity of Ray Krone's life? What about the sanctity of 99 other innocent lives that survived Death Row? What about the sanctity of those that did not?
Hey, you know as well as I do that we've already executed people for crimes they didn't commit. We just don't know their names - yet. Do the math. Almost 770 people have been put to death in this country in the past 25 years. And for every seven killed, one has been exonerated. With an error rate that high, do you really think every mistake was caught, every innocent set free? Are you willing to bet a life on it? Should you even have that right?
Or isn't it time to call the death penalty the atavistic failure it is? Time to unplug the chair, send the gurneys back to the hospital and make life in prison without possibility of parole the harshest punishment in our legal arsenal. That way, if you make a mistake, you can at least give a man back what's left of his life.
You may disagree, but I warn you: I have many reasons to believe I'm right. A hundred of them, in fact. And counting.
Russ would you like these ods if your child were on deck?
A few words about 100 people who were not killed.
They very easily could have been killed, it was forcefully argued that they should have been killed and if most of us had our way, they likely would have been killed. After all, they were convicted criminals, perpetrators of a sickening cavalcade of rapes, robberies and murders.
So why should any of us have favored any of them with our tears of sympathy? Let's strap them down, plug them in, inject them and eject them from life among the living. There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't.
Unless you count the fact that they were innocent. Didn't do the crimes for which they did the time. Judicial error, corrupt cops, incompetent defense lawyers, tampered evidence - hey, it happens.
This is how the scenario has unfolded, 100 times now, since capital punishment was reinstated in the 1970s. Indeed, according to the Death Penalty Information Center, it was just this week that a man named Ray Krone became No. 100. Sentenced to die for the 1991 murder of a cocktail waitress in Phoenix, the former postal worker was instead set free on Monday. DNA evidence says the chance that Krone committed the crime is one in 1.3 quadrillion. There are 15 zeroes in a quadrillion.
That should be - probably won't be, but should - more than enough impetus for the nation to rethink its lust for capital punishment. Granted, the majority that supports the policy is shrinking, but it's still a majority. As a nation, we remain hooked on this relic of frontier justice; it seems to satisfy some primal need for judgment, unambiguous and final.
It's the finality that is the problem.
After all, you can debate the death penalty on several fronts. Religious people frequently cite their faith in arguing for it - and against it. Some observers challenge it on grounds of fairness, the fact that statistically, capital punishment falls disproportionately upon those who are poor, or male, or black. Others dispute the credibility of those assertions.
But there's one aspect of the death penalty upon which both supporters and opponents must agree: When it's done, it's done. Once an error is committed, there's no taking it back.
For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can acknowledge that simple, undeniable truth - yet still support capital punishment. But somehow, they do. Indeed, they do with enthusiasm. We countenance few barriers to this shameful national pastime. On the contrary, we happily execute the mentally retarded and the emotionally unstable. We execute those who were just children when they committed their crimes and those whose lawyers failed to provide them a defense. You say you found G-d while you were in prison? Good deal. Let us send you to meet Him.
At the end of 2000, the population of Death Row was 3,593. Convicted murderers, all.
We say, with Orwellian logic, that we must kill killers as proof of our respect for the sanctity of life. But what about the sanctity of Ray Krone's life? What about the sanctity of 99 other innocent lives that survived Death Row? What about the sanctity of those that did not?
Hey, you know as well as I do that we've already executed people for crimes they didn't commit. We just don't know their names - yet. Do the math. Almost 770 people have been put to death in this country in the past 25 years. And for every seven killed, one has been exonerated. With an error rate that high, do you really think every mistake was caught, every innocent set free? Are you willing to bet a life on it? Should you even have that right?
Or isn't it time to call the death penalty the atavistic failure it is? Time to unplug the chair, send the gurneys back to the hospital and make life in prison without possibility of parole the harshest punishment in our legal arsenal. That way, if you make a mistake, you can at least give a man back what's left of his life.
You may disagree, but I warn you: I have many reasons to believe I'm right. A hundred of them, in fact. And counting.
Russ would you like these ods if your child were on deck?
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AtoMikEnRtiA
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.. i just think that Saddam Hussein has been an entertaining world character for some time now, CredoSpeak -- other than Hussein's case, I am anti-capital punishment.. I agree, who are we to say who lives and who dies?
the only reason i supported hussein being hung, was for my own sadistic self -- you better believe im going to find video footage of that man dropping.. and when i do, i'll download it and have it forever..
i just wish they would have sent him to new york - and used a crane to drop him instead of the ball on new years - and time it so that as soon as his neck snaps at the noose, it would be midnight...
the only reason i supported hussein being hung, was for my own sadistic self -- you better believe im going to find video footage of that man dropping.. and when i do, i'll download it and have it forever..
i just wish they would have sent him to new york - and used a crane to drop him instead of the ball on new years - and time it so that as soon as his neck snaps at the noose, it would be midnight...
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Rick
Bassist 25, I am a RICK MAN !!! I wouldn't play anythinh else EVER !! I recommend them to anyone who asks.
Atomic I am atleast happy to know that you don't promote killing, I mean I have been accused on this forum of having a GOD complex by people who out the right side of their mouth talk of the correctness of killing for what they think is wrong doing, Lets let God decide who goes and when.
Atomic I am atleast happy to know that you don't promote killing, I mean I have been accused on this forum of having a GOD complex by people who out the right side of their mouth talk of the correctness of killing for what they think is wrong doing, Lets let God decide who goes and when.
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I think of it in the way that the man got what he deserved. He killed hundreds of thousands of people to become what he was, he forced the people of his country to live if fear, he killed anyone who spoke out against him, and the tried to take over other countries for no reason what so ever.
Also agree that they should have the less than thirty days rule for executions here in the states as well. In fact; they should take it one step further: If you are found guilty and sentenced to death, and exhausted all your appeal processes, the sentence should be carried out the same day of the last appeal loss. There should be no more of this sitting on death row for twenty years and living off the tax payers money.
Also agree that they should have the less than thirty days rule for executions here in the states as well. In fact; they should take it one step further: If you are found guilty and sentenced to death, and exhausted all your appeal processes, the sentence should be carried out the same day of the last appeal loss. There should be no more of this sitting on death row for twenty years and living off the tax payers money.
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SuffrInLys
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A one in seven chance is pretty high to be the murderer of an innocent man. I know I would never be able to have anything to do with that.
How is it that no one ever talks about the Indians?
You are all pissed because he killed people to get where he is now. HAHA! You think he is the only one? From the begining of time this has happened and rarely ever is anyone judged on it. Look at the blood on American hands through out the past. Anyone here realize this country shouldn't be ours? It should still belong to Native Americans who we tortured, enslaved, and massacured all in the name of greed!
Alot of you didn't comment on that last post I wrote so I am hopefully assuming that it made a shard of sense to ya.
But other than that alot of you one here spit shit out about leveling the entire country of Iraq because of the extremely small percentage of terrists who live there. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN SADDAM!
How is it that no one ever talks about the Indians?
You are all pissed because he killed people to get where he is now. HAHA! You think he is the only one? From the begining of time this has happened and rarely ever is anyone judged on it. Look at the blood on American hands through out the past. Anyone here realize this country shouldn't be ours? It should still belong to Native Americans who we tortured, enslaved, and massacured all in the name of greed!
Alot of you didn't comment on that last post I wrote so I am hopefully assuming that it made a shard of sense to ya.
But other than that alot of you one here spit shit out about leveling the entire country of Iraq because of the extremely small percentage of terrists who live there. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN SADDAM!
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AtoMikEnRtiA
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Aren't all murder victims... somewhat innocent.. I mean if they weren't "innocent".. they wouldn't be "victims", technically speaking.. Look at the Notorious BIG -- he killed Tupac Shakkur, Tupac was a "victim" because he didn't do anything -- well later on down the road, BIG got killed by Tupac's people... BIG was killed for killing Tupac, therefore he's not a "victim".. he's simply.. a "loser"SuffrInLys wrote:A one in seven chance is pretty high to be the murderer of an innocent man. I know I would never be able to have anything to do with that.
Fuck the indians -- they have reservations, casinos, and now they own the Hard Rock Corporation and all that shit that came with it. I think all the "set asides" we gave them in the past 175 years makes up for the fact that we forced them to walk to Oklahoma barefoot in the winter..SuffrInLys wrote:How is it that no one ever talks about the Indians?
Technically, the Indians didn't have flags.. No flag, no country. We stole that shit fair and squareSuffrInLys wrote:You are all pissed because he killed people to get where he is now. HAHA! You think he is the only one? From the begining of time this has happened and rarely ever is anyone judged on it. Look at the blood on American hands through out the past. Anyone here realize this country shouldn't be ours? It should still belong to Native Americans who we tortured, enslaved, and massacured all in the name of greed!
Im not gonna lie.. I didn't read it -- can I get the dummy cards?SuffrInLys wrote:Alot of you didn't comment on that last post I wrote so I am hopefully assuming that it made a shard of sense to ya.
SuffrInLys wrote:But other than that alot of you one here spit shit out about leveling the entire country of Iraq because of the extremely small percentage of terrists who live there. YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN SADDAM!
They don't eat pork.. and for that, they should die...
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bassist_25
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Re: Rick
Agreed, Ric has consistently put out quality instruments and have never cheapened their line with budget models, ala Fender and Gibson.CredoSpeek wrote:Bassist 25, I am a RICK MAN !!! I wouldn't play anythinh else EVER !! I recommend them to anyone who asks.
Actually, the casino prosperiety is only a myth. Only a small number of tribes have pulled themselves out of poverty with gaming.Fuck the indians -- they have reservations, casinos, and now they own the Hard Rock Corporation and all that shit that came with it. I think all the "set asides" we gave them in the past 175 years makes up for the fact that we forced them to walk to Oklahoma barefoot in the winter
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Leaked cell phone footage of Saddam taking the plunge. It's not great quality-who knows if this is even the actual footage, but what the hell. If you're overly sensitive to this kind of thing, don't watch.
http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?auto ... &p=59122&s
http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?auto ... &p=59122&s
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SuffrInLys
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If you read my posts earlier I am not saying that he didn't deserve it. I am just not in favor of the death penalty and I can see past the hate for this person and see that our government has done things equally as bad and sometimes worse and that our precious leaders that we hold so dear could be hung on the same accord.
Reservations would be the equivalent of owning a state then having someone come in and kill everyone in it, claim it as their own, and then force you to go to your bedroom and never leave it. But its cool though cause on your way in the door they hand you a deck of cards and a bottle of wiskey!
Reservations would be the equivalent of owning a state then having someone come in and kill everyone in it, claim it as their own, and then force you to go to your bedroom and never leave it. But its cool though cause on your way in the door they hand you a deck of cards and a bottle of wiskey!
i have become anger .... i have become wrath
i don't know, in my heart of hearts i believe it is justified. honestly. i believe he deserved it. please don't jump me on this but for some reason it's still a little sad to watch sombodys final seconds of life. even his for some reason. he was evil. i don't know why i feel bad for him. he did horrific things to people and if anybody ever deserved it, it was him. just kind of sad to watch. oh well -back to grimmbass' new thread!