THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[RobTheDrummer]

Well they can't say he's a racist....they can't say he's dumb....they can't attack his family....what do they do? Oh, blow up a big controversial sex story, that'll do it!

[f.sciarrillo]

Wasn't Gloria Allred the lawyer for that illegal immigrant who made that stuff up about Meg Whitman? She is a real credible witness.

[Banned]

The Cain accuser who works for the Obama administration has a history of workplace harassment charges.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accu ... 46066.html

[Banned]

"15 Statistics Which Prove That The U.S. Economy Is In Much Worse Shape Than Most Americans Think"

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv ... cans-think

#1 According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, America has lost an average of 15 manufacturing facilities a day over the last 10 years.

#2 Sadly, it looks like this trend is picking up momentum. During 2010, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day closed down in the United States.

#3 Since 2001, the U.S. has lost a total of more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities.

#4 There are way too few jobs and this is leaving a lot of people out in the cold. The average amount of time that a worker stays unemployed in the United States is now a whopping 39 weeks.

#5 Only 48 percent of all unemployed Americans are currently getting unemployment checks from the government. Early last year, that number was at 75 percent.

#6 There doesn't seem to be much hope that the job market will improve significantly any time soon. One recent survey found that 77 percent of all U.S. small businesses do not plans to hire any more workers.

#7 Without enough good jobs to go around, millions of Americans are losing their homes. Over the past four years, more than 100,000 homes in Las Vegas alone have been lost to foreclosure.

#8 As the economy struggles, new home sales continue to suffer as well. In fact, new home construction is poised to set a brand new all-time record low in 2011.

#9 As family budgets get tighter, Americans are saving less money and a significant percentage of them say that they have no extra money left to spend at this point. The savings rate in the United States in September was the lowest that it has been since December 2007, and according to one recent survey one-third of all Americans say that they have absolutely no spare cash to spend on anything right now.

#10 According to one recent survey, one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

#11 If you can believe it, extreme poverty is now at the highest level that the U.S. government has ever recorded. Today, more than one out of every seven Americans is living in poverty and more than 20 million of them are considered to be living in extreme poverty.

#12 State and local governments all over the country have gotten into massive debt problems. At this point, the municipal bond market in the United States is coming apart at the seams. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent article that appeared on biggovernment.com....

Moody’s Credit Rating Service just announced the ominous trend that credit quality in the municipal bond market is falling at the fastest rate since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008. Data released showed that 5.3 times as many municipal bonds were credit downgraded over the three last months than were upgraded.

#13 Today, more Americans than ever are relying on the government in order to survive. A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

#14 Young people in particular have been hit really hard by this economy. If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

#15 The "wealth gap" between older Americans and younger Americans continues to grow. According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greater than the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.

[f.sciarrillo]

The Cain accuser who works for the Obama administration has a history of workplace harassment charges.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-accu ... 46066.html

Get away with it once, why not try it again? I knew she was full shit.

[Banned]

"Only days after Freddie Mac sought a $6-billion cash lifeline from the Treasury Department, Fannie Mae is now chasing a $7.8-billion check in federal aid. Attributing its steep $5.1-billion third-quarter deficit to losses on derivatives and the persistent failings of the housing market, the government-controlled firm is furthering its heedless course to fiscal Armageddon — while draining the bank accounts of American taxpayers all along the way. "

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/po ... ederal-aid

And they have the nerve to ask for billions more of Americans tax dollars while they are giving out $millions in bonuses to their executives.

Where is the Occupy Freddie and Fannie???????????????

[songsmith]

"15 Statistics Which Prove That The U.S. Economy Is In Much Worse Shape Than Most Americans Think"

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv ... cans-think

Every single one of these stats concern the fault of business, not government.
Outsourcing is legal, and unregulated... in fact, there are tax loopholes for some which reward it. Lack of reinvestment in the workforce is the responsibilty of the businesses who are hoarding trillions of dollars and paying extraordinary executive salaries. High unemployment numbers are the result of outsourcing and profit-taking on the private side, and conservative-driven austerity measures on the public side: in short, you can't force cuts, then complain when they happen. Food stamp usage is up because the working class is becoming the poor class, not because of government, but because of the elite class.
Taxes and regulation are at their lowest points in more than half a century. State and local monies have dried up. Government is as small as it's going to get without turning over all control to business. Amid record corporate profits, record low taxes, record worker efficiencies, and record executive pay and benefit packages... where are the jobs that the "job creators" supposedly create?

[Banned]

"15 Statistics Which Prove That The U.S. Economy Is In Much Worse Shape Than Most Americans Think"

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv ... cans-think

Every single one of these stats concern the fault of business, not government.
Outsourcing is legal, and unregulated... in fact, there are tax loopholes for some which reward it. Lack of reinvestment in the workforce is the responsibilty of the businesses who are hoarding trillions of dollars and paying extraordinary executive salaries. High unemployment numbers are the result of outsourcing and profit-taking on the private side, and conservative-driven austerity measures on the public side: in short, you can't force cuts, then complain when they happen. Food stamp usage is up because the working class is becoming the poor class, not because of government, but because of the elite class.
Taxes and regulation are at their lowest points in more than half a century. State and local monies have dried up. Government is as small as it's going to get without turning over all control to business. Amid record corporate profits, record low taxes, record worker efficiencies, and record executive pay and benefit packages... where are the jobs that the "job creators" supposedly create?

Nice spin. Now try and prove it.

[songsmith]

Okey-dokey:

"15 Statistics Which Prove That The U.S. Economy Is In Much Worse Shape Than Most Americans Think"

#1 According to U.S. Representative Betty Sutton, America has lost an average of 15 manufacturing facilities a day over the last 10 years.

The government doesn't close down manufacturing facilities, the businesses who own them do. They do that for several reasons, the most common being cheap overseas labor, especially early in the "last 10 years." I'd also ask, since the Bush Tax Cuts have been in effect the whole decade, where are the jobs they produced?

#2 Sadly, it looks like this trend is picking up momentum. During 2010, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities a day closed down in the United States.

This is pure editorializing and conjecture on the part of the writer (SPIN), but I refer you to the answer for #1, and ask if executive salaries went up or down during 2010. I'd also point out that low middle-class pay means nobody has any money to buy anything, we're being squeezed on essentials like food, utilities, and fuel.

#3 Since 2001, the U.S. has lost a total of more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities.

"Since 2001." You're not looking closely enough at the spin happening here. Obama took over in early 2009. Neocon "free-marketeer" ideology and corporate suits sent jobs away, government simply enforces rules.

#4 There are way too few jobs and this is leaving a lot of people out in the cold. The average amount of time that a worker stays unemployed in the United States is now a whopping 39 weeks.

You, yourself have repeated the mantra, "Government does not create jobs." So, if gov't doesn't create jobs, where are the jobs that job creators are getting special privileges in return for?

#5 Only 48 percent of all unemployed Americans are currently getting unemployment checks from the government. Early last year, that number was at 75 percent.

The government doesn't close down manufacturing facilities, the businesses who own them do. I'd also ask, since the Bush Tax Cuts have been in effect the whole decade, where are the jobs they produced?

#6 There doesn't seem to be much hope that the job market will improve significantly any time soon. One recent survey found that 77 percent of all U.S. small businesses do not plans to hire any more workers.

What was I saying about record high executive salaries, record efficiency, and low offshore labor costs? Do you doubt this?

#7 Without enough good jobs to go around, millions of Americans are losing their homes. Over the past four years, more than 100,000 homes in Las Vegas alone have been lost to foreclosure.

Why Las Vegas? Is the government mad at Las Vegas in particular? Isn't that Harry reid's home state? Don't you think t's because banks handed out lots of cash to people didn't deserve it, then sold the loans and the risk involved, then betted that the whole thing would implode? No gov't involved here.

#8 As the economy struggles, new home sales continue to suffer as well. In fact, new home construction is poised to set a brand new all-time record low in 2011.

What part of "the middle class doesn't have any money left" are you having problems comprehending? Banks took the bailout money and used it on bonuses and acquistions of other banks, instead of floating it out. You can't get a mortgage unless you're in the elite class.

#9 As family budgets get tighter, Americans are saving less money and a significant percentage of them say that they have no extra money left to spend at this point. The savings rate in the United States in September was the lowest that it has been since December 2007, and according to one recent survey one-third of all Americans say that they have absolutely no spare cash to spend on anything right now.

See every response #'s 1-8. You're saying that gov't is responsible for people not having money. Government doesn't provide most of our paychecks. Business does. Blame the class war, not government, for the mess.

#10 According to one recent survey, one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

Again, one more time: Government does not fire you. Government does not outsource you. Government ALLOWS business to do so. Business pays most of us. We are at their mercy, and they are free to conduct business however they like, except when they break laws. Pay has been stagnated since the Reagan era for the middle and lower class. Other than the minimum wage (which you don't even support), there is nothing gov't can do to force business to pay a living wage.

#11 If you can believe it, extreme poverty is now at the highest level that the U.S. government has ever recorded. Today, more than one out of every seven Americans is living in poverty and more than 20 million of them are considered to be living in extreme poverty.

How many times in one article can the same faulty reasoning be used? Government cannot keep business from outsourcing, cannot force reinvestment in a larger workforce, cannot force business to increase pay to keep people out of poverty. Blame the job-creators, blame the boardroom.

#12 State and local governments all over the country have gotten into massive debt problems. At this point, the municipal bond market in the United States is coming apart at the seams. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent article that appeared on biggovernment.com....

Moody’s Credit Rating Service just announced the ominous trend that credit quality in the municipal bond market is falling at the fastest rate since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008. Data released showed that 5.3 times as many municipal bonds were credit downgraded over the three last months than were upgraded.

State and local government are feeling the effects of hard-right-enforced austerity measures... an assault on "Big Government." This is laughably silly: The same people screaming for less government (like biggovernment.com) are criticizing what's left for being ineffective.
Biggovernment.com, Moody's, and Lehman Bros., are all businesses.

#13 Today, more Americans than ever are relying on the government in order to survive. A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

I forget, is this bad or good, in the context of your argument? Does the fact that so many Americans are on the dole support your hate for government programs, or an indication that business has sent all the jobs away to China? Are those receiving assistance lazy drug-addicted losers, or victims of outsourcing?

#14 Young people in particular have been hit really hard by this economy. If you can believe it, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

How is government responsible for that?

#15 The "wealth gap" between older Americans and younger Americans continues to grow. According to an analysis of Census Bureau data done by the Pew Research Center, the median net worth for households led by someone 65 years of age or older is 47 times greater than the median net worth for households led by someone under the age of 35.

The Pew data is coming under fire for being inaccurate, due to the shift away from pension-based retirement plans that older Americans followed vs. the 401(k) plans we use now. 401(k)'s are considered in your net worth your whole career, while pensions are not considered in your net worth until they mature. Add to that the "Good Ol' Boy" factor, and the undeniable fact that seniors were able to work one job for decades (and younger workers seldom do, so seniority pay is involved), as well as 401(k) losses in 2007-2009, and you see why that data is skewed. Most older folks are having a rough time, too.

There you go, Joe. The entire article you posted was spun statistics, largely based on the OPINION that government is responsible for the financial crisis.

[Banned]

No facts, just liberal spin. BTW, I did not like big government before the Kenyan lied his way into office. I did not start all this in 2009. I wanted W impeached for spending like a democrat.

[f.sciarrillo]

Man shot at "Occupy Burlington" protest

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-573 ... n-protest/

When will the lefties finally say this is not a "peaceful" rally?!?!?

[songsmith]

No facts, just liberal spin. BTW, I did not like big government before the Kenyan lied his way into office. I did not start all this in 2009. I wanted W impeached for spending like a democrat.

I'm not sure what you think I should have said. The entire article is a way of saying things suck. We all know that! Not exactly a news flash. It's not "worse than we think," because we know how bad it is.

Which parts of my responses are spin? Spell it out for me.

And seriously, the Birther thing, still?

[Banned]

No facts, just liberal spin. BTW, I did not like big government before the Kenyan lied his way into office. I did not start all this in 2009. I wanted W impeached for spending like a democrat.

I'm not sure what you think I should have said. The entire article is a way of saying things suck. We all know that! Not exactly a news flash. It's not "worse than we think," because we know how bad it is.

Which parts of my responses are spin? Spell it out for me.

And seriously, the Birther thing, still?

When I see a real birth certificate. When multiple forgery experts point out 27 errors with the fake document the White House released, how could anyone believe it? The Statist thing, really? Do you seriously believe everything the State tells you?

[songsmith]

I believe the "State" long before I believe you, and there's nothing you can do about it.

BTW, how many more birth certificates does joe need to see? If he had a video of his actual birth, showing the Hawaiian scenery outside the window, the date on the calendar, and the Pope signed off on it's authenticity, joe would rather believe some blogger, because joe knows what joe knows.
Disclose these "experts," or be prepared to deal with the same reputation and respect that we give 9/11 Truthers and Holocaust Denyers.

[Banned]

Just one REAL one.

[songsmith]

...And another one down, and another one down, another one bites the dust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2rDVrmNg

Future copies of Rick Perry's book "Fed Up," will now be titled, "F'ed-Up."

You guys are going to be stuck with Mitt Romney. Even McCain did better than him among Republicans in 2008. I predict a bunch of REALLY frustrated hardliners are going to try to bring down the entire process, under the guise of "restoring" something, maybe "liberty," or "Founding Fathers-" something. It'll be ugly.
I'm not so sure Romney will pick a Palin-esque running mate to try and win the base (like McCain did), but he'll definitely get more opposition from the hard-right than he will from the Dems.
That, combined with the circus of stupidity and inexperience created by the debates (the media hasn't had to crucify anyone, they're hangiing themselves), and Obama's campaign is getting easier as time goes by.
It's simple. While Obama is unpopular, the GOP candidates continually prove their inabilities over and over. Like the 2008 election, all Obama has to do is... give them enough rope.

[Banned]

Who are "you guys"?

I know you blame W for all the ills of this country, but do you really think the Kenyan is doing a good job?

[lonewolf]

The government is lying about the consumer price index by using fuzzy new ways of calculating it. If you use the 1980 formula, the consumer price index is over 10%...funny thats about where it was in 1980 as well. Thanksgiving dinner will cost about 13% more than last year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gold-offe ... 3.html?l=1

The consumer price index is similar to the inflation rate, except that it reflects the change in a broad basket of consumer prices rather than a growth in money supply with respect to GDP.

[songsmith]

Who are "you guys"?

I know you blame W for all the ills of this country, but do you really think the Kenyan is doing a good job?

"You guys" are conservatives, including you. Ron Paul (R).

And I think Obama is doing a pretty good job, when you factor in opposition like no other president ever faced. From "you guys."
"You guys" who think the people who caused the financial crisis should get even fewer rules, and even more money. "You guys" who make a one-term Obama presidency a priority over jobs and debt. "You guys" who supported Bush/Cheney, then Palin, then The Donald, then Newt, then Bachmann, then Christie, then Perry, and now Cain.
Yes, joe, I know you're a Ron Paul (R) supporter. I've said in this thread that if I was forced at gunpoint, I'd vote for Huntsman. He, the Easter Bunny, and Ron Paul share similar chances of actually winning.

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"You guys" who make a one-term Obama presidency a priority over jobs and debt.

A priority to save this country. If the Kenyan has not already ruined it beyond repair.

Obama is the king, supreme ruler, the Ayatollah of Rocknrolla of DEBT. W Bush was, but the Kenyan will waste the same amount of our money in half the time it took W.

[songsmith]

"You guys" who make a one-term Obama presidency a priority over jobs and debt.

A priority to save this country. If the Kenyan has not already ruined it beyond repair.

Obama is the king, supreme ruler, the Ayatollah of Rocknrolla of DEBT. W Bush was, but the Kenyan will waste the same amount of our money in half the time it took W.

Not even going there with you. It's like explaining harmony to a deaf music critic.


Still waiting for you to tell us who the "handwriting experts" are who can prove Obama is Kenyan by birth. Hint: They don't exist, US astronauts actually DID land on the moon, and the Tooth Fairy was your mom.

[f.sciarrillo]

...And another one down, and another one down, another one bites the dust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUA2rDVrmNg

Future copies of Rick Perry's book "Fed Up," will now be titled, "F'ed-Up."

You guys are going to be stuck with Mitt Romney. Even McCain did better than him among Republicans in 2008. I predict a bunch of REALLY frustrated hardliners are going to try to bring down the entire process, under the guise of "restoring" something, maybe "liberty," or "Founding Fathers-" something. It'll be ugly.
I'm not so sure Romney will pick a Palin-esque running mate to try and win the base (like McCain did), but he'll definitely get more opposition from the hard-right than he will from the Dems.
That, combined with the circus of stupidity and inexperience created by the debates (the media hasn't had to crucify anyone, they're hangiing themselves), and Obama's campaign is getting easier as time goes by.
It's simple. While Obama is unpopular, the GOP candidates continually prove their inabilities over and over. Like the 2008 election, all Obama has to do is... give them enough rope.

It has already been said, I seen it on CNN, that Obama is afraid of Romney. It will be interesting to see how it turns out with them two. I think Romney wil pick Rubio or Christy as his running mate.

[f.sciarrillo]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... land_camp/

Man murdered at occupy Oakland (California) rally. Gee, this is getting to be pretty bad. Where are all the liberal news media people saying about how bad it is? Oh wait, there are none! You never seen a tea party rally get like this!!

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"You guys" who make a one-term Obama presidency a priority

A priority to save this country. If the Kenyan has not already ruined it beyond repair.

Obama is the king, supreme ruler, the Ayatollah of Rocknrolla of DEBT. W Bush was, but the Kenyan will waste the same amount of our money in half the time it took W.

Still waiting for you to tell us who the "handwriting experts" are who can prove Obama is Kenyan by birth.

Here is one.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=357621

A quick search and you will find many more. They can only prove the certificate was a forgery. Who knows where he was born? How did an 18 yr old in Hawaii get a Connecticut SS number, could you explain that one, mr. i believe everything the state tells me?

[Banned]

More Obama Corporatism:

"Reporting from Washington—
Over the last year, the Obama administration has aggressively pushed a $433-million plan to buy an experimental smallpox drug, despite uncertainty over whether it is needed or will work.

Senior officials have taken unusual steps to secure the contract for New York-based Siga Technologies Inc., whose controlling shareholder is billionaire Ronald O. Perelman, one of the world's richest men and a longtime Democratic Party donor."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 3298.story

It seems, if you donate money to Obama, you get millions and millions of US tax dollars in return.

Occupy the White House!