Bullshit!

[sstuckey]

I'd have to say that first and foremost... Jet, you must've received too many hits to the head. Head shots are illegal because of how much DAMAGE you can do to somebody, and how much you can HURT somebody. It's not even something that could happen, like a sprain or strain. A concussion is the LEAST that could happen in those circumstances! There have been a couple cases of outright DEATH that have happened from a head-on collision!

As far as the actual play... Harrison definitely did a big no-no. He lead HEAD FIRST into McCoy. If you watch his arm motions, he doesn't even lean his arms forward, to make it look like MAYBE he was going to hit cleanly... He just puts his head out and his hands in front to deflect him a little. There's NO WAY that's a clean hit. I'd be willing to bet $10 in cold, hard, US dollars that if somebody took a shot like that at Big Ben, you'd be all over it for a week! There was nothing clean about it... He didn't even wrap his arms around him, to suggest he's going to tackle him but was just a little bit zealous!

Ok, you want to talk about Big Ben ..ok what about the illegal hit he took in that game. I'm referring to the tackle BELOW THE KNEES by one tackler while the other hit him high. That led to s severe ankle sprain and a walk (er ride) to the xray machine?

No hits below the waist on a quaterback in the pocket is the rule, clearly an illegal hit there. No flag. No penalty. No fine. No suspension. Nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... iFKrJOhv7c

Since when is the pocket all the way out to the numbers?!! He was out of the pocket therefore the hit was totally clean.

[Merge]

Clearly, it must have been illegal, as he's been suspended. And where in my last post did I say that the hit wasn't illegal??

Clearly the "perp" must be guilty because he was arrested right?

What manner of backassward "logic" is that?

This "perp" happened to be caught on tape. Guilty as charged, just ask his coach.

[jetcitywoman]

Leading with the head, and helmet to helmet, are both illegal hits. Notice I didn't say "dirty", I said "illegal".

"Leading with the head" is just so much bullshit jargon created by Goddall to justify this "appearance" of making football safer. The "head" is on top of the body and when the body is accelerating forward THE HEAD MUST LEAD ! It certainly can't follow

When you look at the play the heads of both players were "leading". They were approaching one another directly "head on", leading to their FACEMASKS colliding, facemask to facemask. Harrison's head was up, just the way the league instructs a tackle should be performed, placing his facemask at the leading edge of the tackle (the only place it can be!). The facemask sticks out in front of the helmet, it "bows" out in front. Their facemasks actually collidede and McCoy got the worst end of the stick as you can imagine.

No helmet to helmet, but a legal hit with unfortunate consequence of mutual facemask collision, perfectly legal and certainly not "dirty" as you suggested.

Let me clue you, hard hits are not dirty hits. You yourself admitted the hit was not illegal, therefore it cannot logically be "dirty" either. The only reasonable conclusion is this was a hard hit perfectly legal withing the rules of football, and hard hits are encouraged and admired among coaches, players and fans.

If it's not illegal 9and it wasn't) it's not dirty either. simple logic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUN5OG28 ... re=related

Where in that hit do you see facemask to facemask?!!!! I see Helmet to facemask but nowhere after watching this video 3 times do I see anything that remotely resembles facemask to facemask.

Watch the video again freeze it @ the very beginning of the 0.54 sec mark. Where is Harrison's face? Harrison placed his FACE into McCoy's upper right chest/shoulder, and the glancing impact with the lower portion of McCoy's FACEMASK (not the helmet!) was entirely incidental.

Now run it forward frame by frame from 0.54. (actually 0.54 is composed of several frames, all important). Harrison actually "hunkered down" at the last moment to intentionally AVOID a helmet impact by putting his face into McCoy's chest. He should be lauded for minimizing the hit not villified and suspended.

The hit was legal to McCoy's chest and the contact to his facemask incidental and unavoidable under those circumstances. To avoid any and all contact with the helmet/facemask the rule must be changed to no hits above the tits. So now thae rule would be no hits above the tits and below the waist. Which is patently absurd

[sstuckey]

"Leading with the head" is just so much bullshit jargon created by Goddall to justify this "appearance" of making football safer. The "head" is on top of the body and when the body is accelerating forward THE HEAD MUST LEAD ! It certainly can't follow

When you look at the play the heads of both players were "leading". They were approaching one another directly "head on", leading to their FACEMASKS colliding, facemask to facemask. Harrison's head was up, just the way the league instructs a tackle should be performed, placing his facemask at the leading edge of the tackle (the only place it can be!). The facemask sticks out in front of the helmet, it "bows" out in front. Their facemasks actually collidede and McCoy got the worst end of the stick as you can imagine.

No helmet to helmet, but a legal hit with unfortunate consequence of mutual facemask collision, perfectly legal and certainly not "dirty" as you suggested.

Let me clue you, hard hits are not dirty hits. You yourself admitted the hit was not illegal, therefore it cannot logically be "dirty" either. The only reasonable conclusion is this was a hard hit perfectly legal withing the rules of football, and hard hits are encouraged and admired among coaches, players and fans.

If it's not illegal 9and it wasn't) it's not dirty either. simple logic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUN5OG28 ... re=related

Where in that hit do you see facemask to facemask?!!!! I see Helmet to facemask but nowhere after watching this video 3 times do I see anything that remotely resembles facemask to facemask.

Watch the video again freeze it @ the very beginning of the 0.54 sec mark. Where is Harrison's face? Harrison placed his FACE into McCoy's upper right chest/shoulder, and the glancing impact with the lower portion of McCoy's FACEMASK (not the helmet!) was entirely incidental.

Now run it forward frame by frame from 0.54. (actually 0.54 is composed of several frames, all important). Harrison actually "hunkered down" at the last moment to intentionally AVOID a helmet impact by putting his face into McCoy's chest. He should be lauded for minimizing the hit not villified and suspended.

The hit was legal to McCoy's chest and the contact to his facemask incidental and unavoidable under those circumstances. To avoid any and all contact with the helmet/facemask the rule must be changed to no hits above the tits. So now thae rule would be no hits above the tits and below the waist. Which is patently absurd

Buddy give it a rest. Even Mike Tomlin didn't argue whether or not the hit was illegal.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-t ... hot_topics

[jb31dtr]

Tomlin did not argue it for one reason. In this day and age in the NFL a dissenting opinion is not allowed. If you are critical of what damn Godell and his stupid ruining of the game, that coach can expect a call from the front office and probably a fine as well. All these sports leagues have gotten out of hand in the last few years with not allowing the players and coaches to tell what they really feel.

They keep ruining football and I will soon stop watching. Its getting less and less fun each time this crap keeps being pulled. Why dont they just come out and say what they really want, and that is for a QB to not even be allowed to be touched in any way.

[Naga]

Ok, let's look at a few things

1) McCoy was also waaay out of the box. However, he was behind the line of scrimmage. The ball had left his fingertips, and he had come down from a jump. Given that time, that might be a roughing the passer. But, we'll ignore that for the sake that Harrison had commited to that hit before the ball was off

2) McCoy was helpless. He jumped up in the air to see what was going on with his receiver, and keep the ball out of Harrison's hands, in case he tried to deflect it. He barely came down when he took the hit.

3) As I said before... Harrison wasn't committing to tackling the QB, he was committing to HAMMERING him. He tilted his shoulders, and jumped into him head first. Look at where his helmet is. It's not "grazing his helmet after bouncing off his chest", he's out and out smashing into him. It would be a decent hit and all too, if he had lowered his shoulders further, and put his arms out to grasp him. He didn't do any of that. He KNOWS better. He didn't jump into him, holding his arms out. Watch his arms in the play, they're practically flailing in the wind. He jumped upward, and into McCoy. McCoy didn't even know his own name after the hit!

I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't care what player on what team would commit this kind of hit. That's a big hit, and as I've pointed out, the guy isn't trying to just tackle him. Watch his stature and you'd clearly see it's not your typical tackle. If you don't believe me, instead of watching some Youtube vid of somebody recording the game with a camcorder on a TV where you can't see shit, look at the link Steve posted, or look at this link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... hot_topics

You see that this wasn't a soft hit, and as are mentioned in all the press bits that Harrison is well-known for these kinds of hits

As for anyone else,... Any other player in the league that has given this many hard shots would've been suspended several times by now. Your Steelers get away with a lot of shit too, you know

To answer the question about running backs... Running backs tilt for momentum to run. And defensive players know that they can't just drop their shoulders to hit them with their heads... They reach their arms around them, wrap them up, and pull them down

That is called a T-A-C-K-L-E

Often, defensive players tilt their heads to hit for the same reason, placing their helmets at the chest, NOT THE HELMET! If they see someone openly running, they'll tilt their head to the side of their chest, and put their shoulder to their chest, using their arms to narrow their escape chances

Believe me people, we're not talking about a bunch of school-yard ball, where some don't know much about the rules while others make the rules. We're talking about a bunch of PRO ATHELETES, who have played the game longer than some of you have been watching, and they've been playing it BY THE RULES. The defense LEARNS how to tackle properly, and not leading on with the head the way that Harrison depicted

Now that I've reiterated all of that, I'd be willing to bet $10 that a bunch of you would probably start yelling and screaming if you saw Ben laid out like that, and moaning about how a 1-game suspension is deserved, if not more. When it comes to hits like this, it doesn't matter who's helmet is on, what colors are on, and who the player behind the mask is. There's an obvious right from wrong here. McCoy had his bell rung pretty badly, and Harrison did something no one person should do against a another player. Even not liking the Steelers, that's something I have to say about any player that makes a hit like that. That was just wrong

[sstuckey]

Tomlin did not argue it for one reason. In this day and age in the NFL a dissenting opinion is not allowed. If you are critical of what damn Godell and his stupid ruining of the game, that coach can expect a call from the front office and probably a fine as well. All these sports leagues have gotten out of hand in the last few years with not allowing the players and coaches to tell what they really feel.

They keep ruining football and I will soon stop watching. Its getting less and less fun each time this crap keeps being pulled. Why dont they just come out and say what they really want, and that is for a QB to not even be allowed to be touched in any way.

Where are you getting your information from? I see coaches and players alike voicing their opinions all the time. I don't debate religion because I'm not religious and the topic is out of my realm. I don't debate politics because I don't know politics and again am out of my realm. But football? Well now you're in my world daddy-o. And the rules CLEARLY state no contact to a defenseless player's helmet is legal. The facemask is part of the helmet...therefore deemed to be illegal. McCoy was defenseless therefore it is deemed to be illegal. If you need a further explanation of the rules and regulations of today's game...go to NFL.com. Tomlin knows the rules which is why he couldn't defend James Harrison. The league officials....NOT just Goddell reviewed the situation and handed out the suspension accordingly. As stated before Harrison is known for these hits, doesn't care about the fines, and further action was required. And the statement he made to Bettis that he STILL won't change the way he plays tells me this clown will be riding the pain again and again and again. So get used to it. Harrison and Suh just don't seem to be getting the memo. And not only is it costing him a fortune in fines, but he definitely hindered the team's chances of beating the 49ers this weekend. So keep playing the way YOU want to Harrison and keep hurting your team in the process!!

[jetcitywoman]

Ok, let's look at a few things

1) McCoy was also waaay out of the box. However, he was behind the line of scrimmage. The ball had left his fingertips, and he had come down from a jump. Given that time, that might be a roughing the passer. But, we'll ignore that for the sake that Harrison had commited to that hit before the ball was off

2) McCoy was helpless. He jumped up in the air to see what was going on with his receiver, and keep the ball out of Harrison's hands, in case he tried to deflect it. He barely came down when he took the hit.

3) As I said before... Harrison wasn't committing to tackling the QB, he was committing to HAMMERING him. He tilted his shoulders, and jumped into him head first. Look at where his helmet is. It's not "grazing his helmet after bouncing off his chest", he's out and out smashing into him. It would be a decent hit and all too, if he had lowered his shoulders further, and put his arms out to grasp him. He didn't do any of that. He KNOWS better. He didn't jump into him, holding his arms out. Watch his arms in the play, they're practically flailing in the wind. He jumped upward, and into McCoy. McCoy didn't even know his own name after the hit!

I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't care what player on what team would commit this kind of hit. That's a big hit, and as I've pointed out, the guy isn't trying to just tackle him. Watch his stature and you'd clearly see it's not your typical tackle. If you don't believe me, instead of watching some Youtube vid of somebody recording the game with a camcorder on a TV where you can't see shit, look at the link Steve posted, or look at this link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... hot_topics

You see that this wasn't a soft hit, and as are mentioned in all the press bits that Harrison is well-known for these kinds of hits

As for anyone else,... Any other player in the league that has given this many hard shots would've been suspended several times by now. Your Steelers get away with a lot of shit too, you know

To answer the question about running backs... Running backs tilt for momentum to run. And defensive players know that they can't just drop their shoulders to hit them with their heads... They reach their arms around them, wrap them up, and pull them down

That is called a T-A-C-K-L-E

Often, defensive players tilt their heads to hit for the same reason, placing their helmets at the chest, NOT THE HELMET! If they see someone openly running, they'll tilt their head to the side of their chest, and put their shoulder to their chest, using their arms to narrow their escape chances

Believe me people, we're not talking about a bunch of school-yard ball, where some don't know much about the rules while others make the rules. We're talking about a bunch of PRO ATHELETES, who have played the game longer than some of you have been watching, and they've been playing it BY THE RULES. The defense LEARNS how to tackle properly, and not leading on with the head the way that Harrison depicted

Now that I've reiterated all of that, I'd be willing to bet $10 that a bunch of you would probably start yelling and screaming if you saw Ben laid out like that, and moaning about how a 1-game suspension is deserved, if not more. When it comes to hits like this, it doesn't matter who's helmet is on, what colors are on, and who the player behind the mask is. There's an obvious right from wrong here. McCoy had his bell rung pretty badly, and Harrison did something no one person should do against a another player. Even not liking the Steelers, that's something I have to say about any player that makes a hit like that. That was just wrong

You keep saying "big hit!" "big hit!"...big hits are not illegal in the NFL...least not yet. But glad you brought it up because that's the (false) underlying reason he got flagged, fined and suspended;and why he has become a target by the league and refs. He's the biggest of the big hitters and the league secretly doesn't like the risk they pose to their Marque prima donna.

Doubt you even looked at vid your comments are out of touch with reality. McCoy had long since tucked the ball and was ONE step away from crossing the LOS when at last moment he untucked ball tossed it halfheartedly to receiver. Wasn't even a pass, he didn't have time because ball was firmly tucked away till last sec he second guessed and "tossed" the ball. ONE SECOND before that he was a fullback running full steam ahead. That's not the definition of a "defenseless player".

That's the reality of the play.

And keep in mind Harrison was called for "roughing the passer" not a helmet to helmet contact. McCoy had transformed himself into a fullback with his foot on the LOS, and he was hit big (which is not illegal). He was no passer anymore at the point of hit.

If McCoy hadn't been knocked out i'll bet YOU $10 he wouldn't have even been flagged or suspended! I'm firmly convinced now too that wasn't the actual hit but his head hitting the ground that knocked him senseless. What, is Harrison supposed to place a pillow under so he don't bump his whittle head now too lol.

We have all this to blame on Tom Brady and his bunch of loverboys for this bullshit..before long every game will look like the Pro Bowl

[lonewolf]

That looked like an incidental infraction to me. Flaggable, yes--for SPEARING, but not roughing the passer.

Fine & suspension? Bullshit!

Harrison was in the process of changing directions to tackle a player who had by then clearly tucked the ball away outside of the cup and became a running back.

QBs only deserve special pink-shoe attention when they act like QBs.

[jetcitywoman]

Atten Steeler fans:

Harrison meets Wednesday with league officials. Has a suspension ever been overturned at one of these meetings in recent history of NFL under Goodall's watch?

[sstuckey]

Ok, let's look at a few things

1) McCoy was also waaay out of the box. However, he was behind the line of scrimmage. The ball had left his fingertips, and he had come down from a jump. Given that time, that might be a roughing the passer. But, we'll ignore that for the sake that Harrison had commited to that hit before the ball was off

2) McCoy was helpless. He jumped up in the air to see what was going on with his receiver, and keep the ball out of Harrison's hands, in case he tried to deflect it. He barely came down when he took the hit.

3) As I said before... Harrison wasn't committing to tackling the QB, he was committing to HAMMERING him. He tilted his shoulders, and jumped into him head first. Look at where his helmet is. It's not "grazing his helmet after bouncing off his chest", he's out and out smashing into him. It would be a decent hit and all too, if he had lowered his shoulders further, and put his arms out to grasp him. He didn't do any of that. He KNOWS better. He didn't jump into him, holding his arms out. Watch his arms in the play, they're practically flailing in the wind. He jumped upward, and into McCoy. McCoy didn't even know his own name after the hit!

I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't care what player on what team would commit this kind of hit. That's a big hit, and as I've pointed out, the guy isn't trying to just tackle him. Watch his stature and you'd clearly see it's not your typical tackle. If you don't believe me, instead of watching some Youtube vid of somebody recording the game with a camcorder on a TV where you can't see shit, look at the link Steve posted, or look at this link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... hot_topics

You see that this wasn't a soft hit, and as are mentioned in all the press bits that Harrison is well-known for these kinds of hits

As for anyone else,... Any other player in the league that has given this many hard shots would've been suspended several times by now. Your Steelers get away with a lot of shit too, you know

To answer the question about running backs... Running backs tilt for momentum to run. And defensive players know that they can't just drop their shoulders to hit them with their heads... They reach their arms around them, wrap them up, and pull them down

That is called a T-A-C-K-L-E

Often, defensive players tilt their heads to hit for the same reason, placing their helmets at the chest, NOT THE HELMET! If they see someone openly running, they'll tilt their head to the side of their chest, and put their shoulder to their chest, using their arms to narrow their escape chances

Believe me people, we're not talking about a bunch of school-yard ball, where some don't know much about the rules while others make the rules. We're talking about a bunch of PRO ATHELETES, who have played the game longer than some of you have been watching, and they've been playing it BY THE RULES. The defense LEARNS how to tackle properly, and not leading on with the head the way that Harrison depicted

Now that I've reiterated all of that, I'd be willing to bet $10 that a bunch of you would probably start yelling and screaming if you saw Ben laid out like that, and moaning about how a 1-game suspension is deserved, if not more. When it comes to hits like this, it doesn't matter who's helmet is on, what colors are on, and who the player behind the mask is. There's an obvious right from wrong here. McCoy had his bell rung pretty badly, and Harrison did something no one person should do against a another player. Even not liking the Steelers, that's something I have to say about any player that makes a hit like that. That was just wrong

You keep saying "big hit!" "big hit!"...big hits are not illegal in the NFL...least not yet. But glad you brought it up because that's the (false) underlying reason he got flagged, fined and suspended;and why he has become a target by the league and refs. He's the biggest of the big hitters and the league secretly doesn't like the risk they pose to their Marque prima donna.

Doubt you even looked at vid your comments are out of touch with reality. McCoy had long since tucked the ball and was ONE step away from crossing the LOS when at last moment he untucked ball tossed it halfheartedly to receiver. Wasn't even a pass, he didn't have time because ball was firmly tucked away till last sec he second guessed and "tossed" the ball. ONE SECOND before that he was a fullback running full steam ahead. That's not the definition of a "defenseless player".

That's the reality of the play.

And keep in mind Harrison was called for "roughing the passer" not a helmet to helmet contact. McCoy had transformed himself into a fullback with his foot on the LOS, and he was hit big (which is not illegal). He was no passer anymore at the point of hit.

If McCoy hadn't been knocked out i'll bet YOU $10 he wouldn't have even been flagged or suspended! I'm firmly convinced now too that wasn't the actual hit but his head hitting the ground that knocked him senseless. What, is Harrison supposed to place a pillow under so he don't bump his whittle head now too lol.

We have all this to blame on Tom Brady and his bunch of loverboys for this bullshit..before long every game will look like the Pro Bowl

It's helmet to helmet!!! What part of that can't you understand?!!! He hit McCoy's helmet with his own helmet...PERIOD...end of discussion. Helmet to helmet hits are illegal. You keep bringing up some garbage about how the NFL is targeting Harrison because he is THE premier 'BIG' hitter and that's why he gets flagged so often. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say Polamalu hits players just as hard!! So does Ray Lewis, so does Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews...that list goes on and on. Only difference being they do so "within the stated rules of the NFL". Your boy is stubborn and straight up stupid if he continues to play the way 'he wants' and ignoring such rules will only lead to more suspensions and fines. He doesn't get it and you obviously don't either. Even your own coach isn't arguing it...so why are you?

[MoonManTom]

OK You say its Helemt to Helmet, then why isnt a running back called for it when he runs into a line and hits a linemans helmet? I mean come on it is after all helmet to helmet...Correct me if I am wrong here? and dont say thats different, cause its not!

[sstuckey]

Ok, let's look at a few things

1) McCoy was also waaay out of the box. However, he was behind the line of scrimmage. The ball had left his fingertips, and he had come down from a jump. Given that time, that might be a roughing the passer. But, we'll ignore that for the sake that Harrison had commited to that hit before the ball was off

2) McCoy was helpless. He jumped up in the air to see what was going on with his receiver, and keep the ball out of Harrison's hands, in case he tried to deflect it. He barely came down when he took the hit.

3) As I said before... Harrison wasn't committing to tackling the QB, he was committing to HAMMERING him. He tilted his shoulders, and jumped into him head first. Look at where his helmet is. It's not "grazing his helmet after bouncing off his chest", he's out and out smashing into him. It would be a decent hit and all too, if he had lowered his shoulders further, and put his arms out to grasp him. He didn't do any of that. He KNOWS better. He didn't jump into him, holding his arms out. Watch his arms in the play, they're practically flailing in the wind. He jumped upward, and into McCoy. McCoy didn't even know his own name after the hit!

I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't care what player on what team would commit this kind of hit. That's a big hit, and as I've pointed out, the guy isn't trying to just tackle him. Watch his stature and you'd clearly see it's not your typical tackle. If you don't believe me, instead of watching some Youtube vid of somebody recording the game with a camcorder on a TV where you can't see shit, look at the link Steve posted, or look at this link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... hot_topics

You see that this wasn't a soft hit, and as are mentioned in all the press bits that Harrison is well-known for these kinds of hits

As for anyone else,... Any other player in the league that has given this many hard shots would've been suspended several times by now. Your Steelers get away with a lot of shit too, you know

To answer the question about running backs... Running backs tilt for momentum to run. And defensive players know that they can't just drop their shoulders to hit them with their heads... They reach their arms around them, wrap them up, and pull them down

That is called a T-A-C-K-L-E

Often, defensive players tilt their heads to hit for the same reason, placing their helmets at the chest, NOT THE HELMET! If they see someone openly running, they'll tilt their head to the side of their chest, and put their shoulder to their chest, using their arms to narrow their escape chances

Believe me people, we're not talking about a bunch of school-yard ball, where some don't know much about the rules while others make the rules. We're talking about a bunch of PRO ATHELETES, who have played the game longer than some of you have been watching, and they've been playing it BY THE RULES. The defense LEARNS how to tackle properly, and not leading on with the head the way that Harrison depicted

Now that I've reiterated all of that, I'd be willing to bet $10 that a bunch of you would probably start yelling and screaming if you saw Ben laid out like that, and moaning about how a 1-game suspension is deserved, if not more. When it comes to hits like this, it doesn't matter who's helmet is on, what colors are on, and who the player behind the mask is. There's an obvious right from wrong here. McCoy had his bell rung pretty badly, and Harrison did something no one person should do against a another player. Even not liking the Steelers, that's something I have to say about any player that makes a hit like that. That was just wrong

You keep saying "big hit!" "big hit!"...big hits are not illegal in the NFL...least not yet. But glad you brought it up because that's the (false) underlying reason he got flagged, fined and suspended;and why he has become a target by the league and refs. He's the biggest of the big hitters and the league secretly doesn't like the risk they pose to their Marque prima donna.

Doubt you even looked at vid your comments are out of touch with reality. McCoy had long since tucked the ball and was ONE step away from crossing the LOS when at last moment he untucked ball tossed it halfheartedly to receiver. Wasn't even a pass, he didn't have time because ball was firmly tucked away till last sec he second guessed and "tossed" the ball. ONE SECOND before that he was a fullback running full steam ahead. That's not the definition of a "defenseless player".

That's the reality of the play.

And keep in mind Harrison was called for "roughing the passer" not a helmet to helmet contact. McCoy had transformed himself into a fullback with his foot on the LOS, and he was hit big (which is not illegal). He was no passer anymore at the point of hit.

If McCoy hadn't been knocked out i'll bet YOU $10 he wouldn't have even been flagged or suspended! I'm firmly convinced now too that wasn't the actual hit but his head hitting the ground that knocked him senseless. What, is Harrison supposed to place a pillow under so he don't bump his whittle head now too lol.

We have all this to blame on Tom Brady and his bunch of loverboys for this bullshit..before long every game will look like the Pro Bowl

It's helmet to helmet!!! What part of that can't you understand?!!! He hit McCoy's helmet with his own helmet...PERIOD...end of discussion. Helmet to helmet hits are illegal. You keep bringing up some garbage about how the NFL is targeting Harrison because he is THE premier 'BIG' hitter and that's why he gets flagged so often. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say Polamalu hits players just as hard!! So does Ray Lewis, so does Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews...that list goes on and on. Only difference being they do so "within the stated rules of the NFL". Your boy is stubborn and straight up stupid if he continues to play the way 'he wants' and ignoring such rules will only lead to more suspensions and fines. He doesn't get it and you obviously don't either. Even your own coach isn't arguing it...so why are you?

This is what Harrison's response to the suspension is...

"James said that he’s concerned this will happen again and then there will be a larger suspension,” Bettis said. “But he said to me, ‘I’m not going to worry about it. I’m going to play my game. If they suspend me they suspend me, but I’m not going to change the way I play football.'"

Here's what your coach has to say about it...

"He's playing illegally, so he's getting penalized," Tomlin said. "He'll either have to change his technique or improve his technique or he won't be given an opportunity to."

C'mon guys what else is there to argue about? Even your own coach admits the hit is illegal.

[sstuckey]

OK You say its Helemt to Helmet, then why isnt a running back called for it when he runs into a line and hits a linemans helmet? I mean come on it is after all helmet to helmet...Correct me if I am wrong here? and dont say thats different, cause its not!

Read the rule book....It's IS completely and 100% totally different. And covers this EXACT topic. Running backs are not defenseless receivers, returners, or quarterbacks. So the rule does not apply. Seriously read the rule book. You can find it on NFL.com and it will answer this question in more depth than I am willing to spend on it.

[jetcitywoman]

Ok, let's look at a few things

1) McCoy was also waaay out of the box. However, he was behind the line of scrimmage. The ball had left his fingertips, and he had come down from a jump. Given that time, that might be a roughing the passer. But, we'll ignore that for the sake that Harrison had commited to that hit before the ball was off

2) McCoy was helpless. He jumped up in the air to see what was going on with his receiver, and keep the ball out of Harrison's hands, in case he tried to deflect it. He barely came down when he took the hit.

3) As I said before... Harrison wasn't committing to tackling the QB, he was committing to HAMMERING him. He tilted his shoulders, and jumped into him head first. Look at where his helmet is. It's not "grazing his helmet after bouncing off his chest", he's out and out smashing into him. It would be a decent hit and all too, if he had lowered his shoulders further, and put his arms out to grasp him. He didn't do any of that. He KNOWS better. He didn't jump into him, holding his arms out. Watch his arms in the play, they're practically flailing in the wind. He jumped upward, and into McCoy. McCoy didn't even know his own name after the hit!

I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I don't care what player on what team would commit this kind of hit. That's a big hit, and as I've pointed out, the guy isn't trying to just tackle him. Watch his stature and you'd clearly see it's not your typical tackle. If you don't believe me, instead of watching some Youtube vid of somebody recording the game with a camcorder on a TV where you can't see shit, look at the link Steve posted, or look at this link

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... hot_topics

You see that this wasn't a soft hit, and as are mentioned in all the press bits that Harrison is well-known for these kinds of hits

As for anyone else,... Any other player in the league that has given this many hard shots would've been suspended several times by now. Your Steelers get away with a lot of shit too, you know

To answer the question about running backs... Running backs tilt for momentum to run. And defensive players know that they can't just drop their shoulders to hit them with their heads... They reach their arms around them, wrap them up, and pull them down

That is called a T-A-C-K-L-E

Often, defensive players tilt their heads to hit for the same reason, placing their helmets at the chest, NOT THE HELMET! If they see someone openly running, they'll tilt their head to the side of their chest, and put their shoulder to their chest, using their arms to narrow their escape chances

Believe me people, we're not talking about a bunch of school-yard ball, where some don't know much about the rules while others make the rules. We're talking about a bunch of PRO ATHELETES, who have played the game longer than some of you have been watching, and they've been playing it BY THE RULES. The defense LEARNS how to tackle properly, and not leading on with the head the way that Harrison depicted

Now that I've reiterated all of that, I'd be willing to bet $10 that a bunch of you would probably start yelling and screaming if you saw Ben laid out like that, and moaning about how a 1-game suspension is deserved, if not more. When it comes to hits like this, it doesn't matter who's helmet is on, what colors are on, and who the player behind the mask is. There's an obvious right from wrong here. McCoy had his bell rung pretty badly, and Harrison did something no one person should do against a another player. Even not liking the Steelers, that's something I have to say about any player that makes a hit like that. That was just wrong

You keep saying "big hit!" "big hit!"...big hits are not illegal in the NFL...least not yet. But glad you brought it up because that's the (false) underlying reason he got flagged, fined and suspended;and why he has become a target by the league and refs. He's the biggest of the big hitters and the league secretly doesn't like the risk they pose to their Marque prima donna.

Doubt you even looked at vid your comments are out of touch with reality. McCoy had long since tucked the ball and was ONE step away from crossing the LOS when at last moment he untucked ball tossed it halfheartedly to receiver. Wasn't even a pass, he didn't have time because ball was firmly tucked away till last sec he second guessed and "tossed" the ball. ONE SECOND before that he was a fullback running full steam ahead. That's not the definition of a "defenseless player".

That's the reality of the play.

And keep in mind Harrison was called for "roughing the passer" not a helmet to helmet contact. McCoy had transformed himself into a fullback with his foot on the LOS, and he was hit big (which is not illegal). He was no passer anymore at the point of hit.

If McCoy hadn't been knocked out i'll bet YOU $10 he wouldn't have even been flagged or suspended! I'm firmly convinced now too that wasn't the actual hit but his head hitting the ground that knocked him senseless. What, is Harrison supposed to place a pillow under so he don't bump his whittle head now too lol.

We have all this to blame on Tom Brady and his bunch of loverboys for this bullshit..before long every game will look like the Pro Bowl

It's helmet to helmet!!! What part of that can't you understand?!!! He hit McCoy's helmet with his own helmet...PERIOD...end of discussion. Helmet to helmet hits are illegal. You keep bringing up some garbage about how the NFL is targeting Harrison because he is THE premier 'BIG' hitter and that's why he gets flagged so often. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd say Polamalu hits players just as hard!! So does Ray Lewis, so does Julius Peppers, Clay Matthews...that list goes on and on. Only difference being they do so "within the stated rules of the NFL". Your boy is stubborn and straight up stupid if he continues to play the way 'he wants' and ignoring such rules will only lead to more suspensions and fines. He doesn't get it and you obviously don't either. Even your own coach isn't arguing it...so why are you?

No No No...that ABSOLUTE protection against helmet to helmet only applies to the quarterback while in the pocket. Bumping helmets between other players such as a running back and a tackler are considered incidental and usually are not flagged. When the quarterback is not acting like a passer when he is clearly running the ball absolute "no questions asked" automatic flagging penalty does not apply. The qback at this point is considered a runner, and incidental contact to helmet may occur while he's squiring around trying to avoid tackle. No penalty in this instance.

McCoy was clearly THIS case! ball tucked, out of the pocket, running toward the line of scrimmage, one step away from positive yardage.

Sorry, he's now fair game!

Bad call! Bad fine! Bad suspension!

If McCoy didn't hit his head hard on turf knocking him out, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That's where he got hurt!

[jetcitywoman]

NFL upholds Steelers LB Harrison's one-game suspension!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... line_stack


Big surprise there. have they ever reversed a fine or suspension, nope. why do the players and their union/agents waste their breath?!

Harrison tweets:

"When the grass is low the snakes will show! I guess I cut it too short!" Harrison wrote. "I shouldn't be cutting grass when it's this cold anyway."

[Dragan Kalasa]

NFL upholds Steelers LB Harrison's one-game suspension!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... line_stack


Big surprise there. have they ever reversed a fine or suspension, nope.

Actually, I had that same question and it has happened before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3546218

Granted he didn't get paid, but the suspension was overturned.

[jetcitywoman]

NFL upholds Steelers LB Harrison's one-game suspension!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... line_stack


Big surprise there. have they ever reversed a fine or suspension, nope.

Actually, I had that same question and it has happened before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3546218

Granted he didn't get paid, but the suspension was overturned.

ONE other time, and took lot digging to find it!

Who is right EVERY time on EVERY issue? Who gets everything right?
Nobody, but Goodall & Co, god bless the NFL

[Dragan Kalasa]

NFL upholds Steelers LB Harrison's one-game suspension!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... line_stack


Big surprise there. have they ever reversed a fine or suspension, nope.

Actually, I had that same question and it has happened before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3546218

Granted he didn't get paid, but the suspension was overturned.

ONE other time, and took lot digging to find it!

Who is right EVERY time on EVERY issue? Nobody, but Goodall & Co,

Not really. Google searched "NFL suspensions ever overturned" and the first thing that popped up was a Yahoo question page with that answer. As far as "NFL fines ever overturned" this was the first one for that kinda made me laugh a bit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/71797 ... microphone

[jetcitywoman]

Actually, I had that same question and it has happened before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3546218

Granted he didn't get paid, but the suspension was overturned.

ONE other time, and took lot digging to find it!

Who is right EVERY time on EVERY issue? Nobody, but Goodall & Co,

Not really. Google searched "NFL suspensions ever overturned" and the first thing that popped up was a Yahoo question page with that answer. As far as "NFL fines ever overturned" this was the first one for that kinda made me laugh a bit.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/71797 ... microphone

if Goddall & co. ever turned their intellect toward the biologic sciences, a cure for cancer and aging within weeks

[jetcitywoman]

The refs are just going postal calling smthg like 6+ roughing passer/unecessary roughness penalties in Cinci/LA Rams game so far. Their just freaking out of control ..ridiculous their aclling everything even baby taps to head. Dumbasses can't figure out how to apply the SPIRIT of the rule.. uuh hey refs INCIDENTAL contact to head should NOT be penalized

You get paid a lot of money to get it right! Freaking morons

[jetcitywoman]

Packers fall under a ferocious pass rush ...

Indy knocks Bucs off guarnteeing us a playoff spot yaaay

New England/Brady gives Tebow a lesson in real masterclass foootball..
(don't give a crap about "Tee-bow" but have a hate for the Pats )

NOW...those DIRTY BIRDS losing tonight would cap off an almost perfect football wkend for me

"Coach" (Cowher) speculated that should the dirty birds win that we might rest Big Ben to insure he's healthy for last 2. Hmmm whaddaya think...

[jetcitywoman]

All Pro Mouth Lewis gets stuffed....Bolts go up 7 from the 2

[Dragan Kalasa]

The refs are just going postal calling smthg like 6+ roughing passer/unecessary roughness penalties in Cinci/LA Rams game so far. Their just freaking out of control ..ridiculous their aclling everything even baby taps to head. Dumbasses can't figure out how to apply the SPIRIT of the rule.. uuh hey refs INCIDENTAL contact to head should NOT be penalized

You get paid a lot of money to get it right! Freaking morons

Did you see/hear that call about the holding/disrespecting the ref...I laughed for like 10 minutes. Remembering it now it's still funny.

Here's a youtube link in case you missed it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlz670vz ... ture=share

[lonewolf]

Harrison did nothing more than follow through on a hit to a running back.

1/2 second before the hit, McCoy decided to go back to being a quarterback--sorry, too late. This is pro ball, not college. If you wanna do a variation on the option, be prepared for the consequences.

If a QB decides to run with the ball tucked, the QB should expect to get hammered.