BANDS FROM PA THAT MADE IT BIG

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I totally hear you on that, Dave. We've finally begun the writing process (yes, I know Rob and I have promised it for the past year and a half, but the first song is almost complete and will be debuted in the coming weeks. Shamless plug :P ), and one thing that we continually are doing is trying to have an objective ear for what we write. It presents its own challenges because you want something that satisfies your own ego, but you have to keep in mind that the cool 23 minute guitar interlude with the flange pedal may not be the best idea. A good writer often revises his or her own work; even Keuroac, who advised against revising is rumoured to have revised his writings. The same applies to music, IMO. Don't get me wrong - I've found this first song to be more technically challenging than a lot of the material that we cover; but I don't want to write something really wanky just to satisfy my own ego. I believe the cliche phrase is "play for the song." I've approached this whole process of writing a good bassline with the mindset of Paul McCartney or Sting...or Kent Tonkin or Jeff Clapper ;) in that I want something that's still somewhat technical, yet still fits within the composition of the song. If a cool double-thumped* bassline works, then I'll use it, but I'm not going to try and force it.

*For the record, I could never get the Victor Wooten double-thumping thing down.
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Paul,

Ya, I go back and listen to some of the stuff from years ago and think
"What was goin' through my head believing that was going to work?".

REALLY, I think a big help (I've heard of a lot of songwriters doing this)
is finding a tune similar to what you're working on that you like and noting
the structure. Not necessarily copying it but seeing what you think makes
it work. It can be a huge help.

Also, if someone is a so so acoustic guitar player, it always seems a good
starting point. Basic chords, structure, etc. then building on it...and as you
alluded...knowing when to stop the building.

I know what you mean about not wanting songs that seem to easy as well.
Personally, I now like writing songs that are basically just good, simple-structured
(Though the occasional cool turnaround can be a nice addition!) that are
pretty straightforward but have the odd chord voicings, a rippin' bass fill
that only occurs one time, or some one-time drum thing that makes you
listen.

OR, you can get a cool conga player and put in an I MOTHER EARTH midsection.
THAT'D work great.

Look forward to hearing the BD stuff.
DaveP.

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bassist_25 wrote:I totally hear you on that, Dave. We've finally begun the writing process (yes, I know Rob and I have promised it for the past year and a half, but the first song is almost complete and will be debuted in the coming weeks. Shamless plug :P ).
But is there COWBELL in the song??
Dood...
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I don't post on here much anymore, and I surely can't speak for anyone else other than from my own experiences.

When Stept On signed a management deal with McGathey Productions (spelling?) in NYC, we were assigned a manager to help us develop and eventually get signed. The initial interest from them was soley because of our own song writing ability and strong following. We showcased our material at S.I.R. studios in NYC in front of a panel of McGathey a/r's. All was good until we were appointed a manager (if you would call him that) to help us through the legal red tape and develop as songwriters and artists.

It got ugly pretty fast when all of a sudden we were pressed to become more "radio friendly" and the worst part of all was being told that we had to dress and act a certain way! We were literally told to grow some dreds and get more tats and be less accessible to our friends and following. (I'll never forget him looking at me and saying I looked like a redneck who was about to go fishing afterwards!) My response was "fuck you, I am going fishing as soon as you're done wasting my time!" Two of us wanted to take his word, the other two of us couldn't handle the sacrifice of changing who we were to make it to the pro's. (not to mention the cash they were offering sucked!)

Anyway, to make a long story short, I think everyone's situation is different and I'm happy as hell for Halestorm I just hope they can keep being happy too. It all boils down to what you're willing to sacrifice and if it will be a benefit down the road. I wouldn't be opposed to working with accomplished artists on anything so long as I didn't have to sacrifice my musical integrity and unfortunately for us that wasn't the case. Just my 2 cents from experience. I'm sure Halestorm will do great!! Props to anyone around here who can secure a deal and rock out!
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313 wrote:
red wrote:Etown Concrete
I don't think they're from PA.
elizabethtown?........someone told me that :?
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red wrote:
313 wrote:
red wrote:Etown Concrete
I don't think they're from PA.
elizabethtown?........someone told me that :?
I just checked to be sure... the "E Town" is for Elizabeth NJ - which is just outside of NY City.
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