Is Rock n Roll Dead?
It seems to me that the tide has changed. Unless you are listing to a station that covers the era leading up to the 2000's you won't hear much Rock anymore. Although some are trying to change the definition of what rock is. If you listen to radio stations that are playing the top 40 what I am hearing is the over produced airhead music that has been shoved down our throat until people are actually starting to think they like it. Which is why I quit listing to the radio.
I would love to see some good rock shows. But I don't know of any in the area. Be it my fault for not looking hard enough or wither there aren’t any I have yet to discover.
I am finding that band after band have sold out to the air head music to appease those 20 year old teeny boppers and get paid. MTV has become a whore as well as VH1.
Even the metal scene seems to be just filtering garbage; at least the few I have seen.
Or is it that Rock n Roll has come full circle and are now playing the latest greatest grunge in a garage near you with the entry fee of some bear?
The thing I hear time and time again is that if you want to play rock n roll you better do it in your spare time cause it's not a paying gig. Bar owners want a human tragedy/Jukebox. They pay you a few bucks to play the same garbage that is on the jukebox in the corner. So why even bother?
Just turn the radio on or plug the Juke back in.
As a musician I am in complete discuss. After plying for 30 years I'm asking the question. Is it time to put the guitars to bed and give up? Is rock n roll dead. Has every one become sheeple?
For a long time I have seen how the radio is or has killed the rock n roll star.
The commercial industry is the devil, bar owners are the pimps and the consumer is blind/and or tone def.
But what even seems crazier to me is if you go on youtube you will fined 1000s of videos of folks with there arsenals of marshals, Mesa boogies, Vox's and fenders showing there great tone and and favorite jam music or musical hero's materiel.
So I know there are still folks out there like me. Maybe it's time for an evolution of the rock musician.
Historically rock slinging musicians are a finaky bunch with commitment issues and bad hair.
Maybe we need to come to the conclusion that this is an attach on our way of life and need to pull together to save the rock for our childrens children. Or they will be left with only stories of how music use to be freedom.
Or they will be stuck with Brittany Spears and the like. Enough to make me want to gouge my ears out.
Which brings me to the conclusion of this blog.
If you want Rock n Roll you have to support it or it will starve to death.
So all you youtube rock heros and local garage rockers come together.
Lets make a stand and fire the bar owners. It's a new dawn and Rock n Roll can survive in the millennium. Just add love and money and it will grow stronger than ever before.
And to quote a phrase “For those about to rock. I salute you”
Is Rock n Roll Dead?
Is Rock n Roll Dead?
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Re: Is Rock n Roll Dead?
Not really sure WHERE to start, but will take a stab. I'd agree that "the tides have changed".
But, that's been the case forever. We might not always LIKE the way it's changed, and nowadays might seem like a much bigger lurch that those before, but I can guarantee there are plenty on here who were hating when "Alternative" took over from "Hair".
I also agree that radio today, for the most part, is horrible (I listen to ESPN and NPR. TRY listening to other stuff, but that generally isn't all that tolerable). New Rock on the radio, to me, is UNBREABLE. AND, I think that's a reason bands at any "level" are, for lack of a better word, hurting.
Secondly, I'm sure that I would fall under your assertion. However, without meaning to be rude or meaning anything personal, I don't care. To put it simply, I'm okay with evolving and doing my job to entertain people who go out to enjoy themselves rather than playing stuff that play stuff that, while I may rather listen to, I'd be playing to no one until venue owners simply stop booking me because what I'm playing isn't doing anything to bring them business.
And, simply, it IS those 20ish "teeny-boppers" who are going out, and even older women who would rather hear something they can dance to than something with three time sig changes over a minute and a half.
I've often said, I'm not there expecting to play for people my age, or "demographic", because "we" are either at home asleep, or somewhere the music won't be too loud and we can talk about our work day, or something.
However, I will also say none of us have any right to question/complain about why any of the other's play what they play. I've gotten to like a lot of stuff that I couldn't imagine liking. AND, have found things in it that's made it fun to play.
Without meaning to drag someone else's name in, Bad Daze Paul has said that he was always able to find something in the stuff he played and helped him grow. For example, say, playing something by...if I can type it without over-cringing...Nic... Nope...N-Back...would make him edit/play more straight than he normally would.
There's a change in mindset and approach but that's not necessarily a bad thing either musically, or in the overall goal, which is to play the song well and entertain people.
Lot of guys have turned to Country after years of playing Rock, some to Bluegrass, Blues, etc.. It's just a change, and, probably, a growth. AND, while a lot of people on here might hate the idea, we are all offering a service. A business. There are some great bands around doing original stuff and I have all the respect in the world for them and how/what they're doing.
Have you heard the stuff from Hate Grenade? Great stuff. AND, they're getting to do some cool shows and it's cool that they're doing what they are.
But, for me, I, DO look at it as a job and a way to bring in some money for bills. AND, simply, I can't, and don't want to, take time away from my family to practice, play, etc. just to head out and play to chairs and to the bartenders, who are bored and irritated because THEY want US to bring/keep people so THEY can pay bills.
That I have that approach doesn't mean I don't love playing the stuff. I do, or I wouldn't. It's a struggle to get people who are dedicated, reliable, and willing, and to handle booking, and all the other junk. BUT, it is a job to me. Just happen to like that job.
I ABSOLUTELY agree with you that I wish there was still the stable of people there used to be and wish more "kids" would be out playing and, even seeing live music. The way things are now is pretty sad for all of us who grew up hunched over record players, going through all the stages along the way, and still get a lot out of playing. BUT, it is the way things are, and, again, we can adapt and keep going...or not.
I used to be a bit more, I guess, along the lines of how you're feeling. But, kind of let myself open up to the idea of expanding what I'd be willing to embrace. AND, have been happy with that decision.
Like I said, I hope you find something that works for you and it is really successful for ya. We might not always like what we're all playing, but we ARE still keeping at it. Perhaps just taking a different route that may make some others of us ill to think about.
By the way, I guess a couple of years ago, there would have been a lot more discussion on your post. I still try to get on here from time to time, though don't as much as probably should.
Your post raises some really good points, questions, and some good debate material. As much as it might have been done out of frustration, and while I may not agree with aspects, I'm glad you brought it up and think it's one of the reasons RP IS still a good resource/communal resource.
Topics like this are a big reason I'd check in with more regularity.
A good one there.
But, that's been the case forever. We might not always LIKE the way it's changed, and nowadays might seem like a much bigger lurch that those before, but I can guarantee there are plenty on here who were hating when "Alternative" took over from "Hair".
I also agree that radio today, for the most part, is horrible (I listen to ESPN and NPR. TRY listening to other stuff, but that generally isn't all that tolerable). New Rock on the radio, to me, is UNBREABLE. AND, I think that's a reason bands at any "level" are, for lack of a better word, hurting.
Couple of parts to this. First, I'm sure that same sentiment was held when bands started playing the Beatles, Stones Yardbirds, etc. instead of Elvis and Carl Perkins, and before that when it went from Benny Goodman to Elvis, etc., etc. Times change and you evolve or not. You might not like what's going over, and that's certainly your right. If it's just playing something that's completely unpalatable to you, it's unfortunate AND, it's very possible you can put something together doing whatever you like and, if you do, I hope it does great.kingkab55 wrote: " I am finding that band after band have sold out to the air head music to appease those 20 year old teeny boppers and get paid. MTV has become a whore as well as VH1."
Secondly, I'm sure that I would fall under your assertion. However, without meaning to be rude or meaning anything personal, I don't care. To put it simply, I'm okay with evolving and doing my job to entertain people who go out to enjoy themselves rather than playing stuff that play stuff that, while I may rather listen to, I'd be playing to no one until venue owners simply stop booking me because what I'm playing isn't doing anything to bring them business.
And, simply, it IS those 20ish "teeny-boppers" who are going out, and even older women who would rather hear something they can dance to than something with three time sig changes over a minute and a half.
I've often said, I'm not there expecting to play for people my age, or "demographic", because "we" are either at home asleep, or somewhere the music won't be too loud and we can talk about our work day, or something.
However, I will also say none of us have any right to question/complain about why any of the other's play what they play. I've gotten to like a lot of stuff that I couldn't imagine liking. AND, have found things in it that's made it fun to play.
Without meaning to drag someone else's name in, Bad Daze Paul has said that he was always able to find something in the stuff he played and helped him grow. For example, say, playing something by...if I can type it without over-cringing...Nic... Nope...N-Back...would make him edit/play more straight than he normally would.
There's a change in mindset and approach but that's not necessarily a bad thing either musically, or in the overall goal, which is to play the song well and entertain people.
Lot of guys have turned to Country after years of playing Rock, some to Bluegrass, Blues, etc.. It's just a change, and, probably, a growth. AND, while a lot of people on here might hate the idea, we are all offering a service. A business. There are some great bands around doing original stuff and I have all the respect in the world for them and how/what they're doing.
Have you heard the stuff from Hate Grenade? Great stuff. AND, they're getting to do some cool shows and it's cool that they're doing what they are.
But, for me, I, DO look at it as a job and a way to bring in some money for bills. AND, simply, I can't, and don't want to, take time away from my family to practice, play, etc. just to head out and play to chairs and to the bartenders, who are bored and irritated because THEY want US to bring/keep people so THEY can pay bills.
That I have that approach doesn't mean I don't love playing the stuff. I do, or I wouldn't. It's a struggle to get people who are dedicated, reliable, and willing, and to handle booking, and all the other junk. BUT, it is a job to me. Just happen to like that job.
I ABSOLUTELY agree with you that I wish there was still the stable of people there used to be and wish more "kids" would be out playing and, even seeing live music. The way things are now is pretty sad for all of us who grew up hunched over record players, going through all the stages along the way, and still get a lot out of playing. BUT, it is the way things are, and, again, we can adapt and keep going...or not.
That could be said for any genre, really. BUT, it's the "live" aspect, the interaction, energy, etc. that makes the difference.kingkab55 wrote: Just turn the radio on or plug the Juke back in.
True, which has always been a source of frustration.kingkab55 wrote: Historically rock slinging musicians are a finaky bunch with commitment issues and bad hair.
I used to be a bit more, I guess, along the lines of how you're feeling. But, kind of let myself open up to the idea of expanding what I'd be willing to embrace. AND, have been happy with that decision.
Like I said, I hope you find something that works for you and it is really successful for ya. We might not always like what we're all playing, but we ARE still keeping at it. Perhaps just taking a different route that may make some others of us ill to think about.
By the way, I guess a couple of years ago, there would have been a lot more discussion on your post. I still try to get on here from time to time, though don't as much as probably should.
Your post raises some really good points, questions, and some good debate material. As much as it might have been done out of frustration, and while I may not agree with aspects, I'm glad you brought it up and think it's one of the reasons RP IS still a good resource/communal resource.
Topics like this are a big reason I'd check in with more regularity.
A good one there.
DaveP.
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Music is art and style. Those things change over time. "Rock" had it's shot, did exceptionally well, and then style and artistic preferences changed.
I understand what you're saying, but I've also heard rants like this before from just about everybody who clings to one kind of music. From a nuts-and-bolts standpoint (chord progression, instrumentation, meter, song structure, heck - lyrical content), "rock" is nearly identical to pop, punk, country, blues, R&B, alternative, adult contemporary, grunge, thrash, new-wave, and about half of what gets labeled "metal". It just gets produced and packaged differently. It's all the same recipe, they just put a new wrapper on it.
I understand what you're saying, but I've also heard rants like this before from just about everybody who clings to one kind of music. From a nuts-and-bolts standpoint (chord progression, instrumentation, meter, song structure, heck - lyrical content), "rock" is nearly identical to pop, punk, country, blues, R&B, alternative, adult contemporary, grunge, thrash, new-wave, and about half of what gets labeled "metal". It just gets produced and packaged differently. It's all the same recipe, they just put a new wrapper on it.
while I appreciate the comments. I can not agree with everything that is said. There is room for every one. One or another is the way a child thinks.
And again there is room for every one. But once again I blame the industry and air heads. It's not even good music and I don't see much art in it. I'm still here and playing rock n roll. There are hordes of folks on youtube instead out playing where I can go see them. I have quit going to bars because all they play is radio crap. I'm sick to death of music that has no sole to it at all. It's blasphemy I can't stand it and won't play it.
Frustration yes has gotten the best of me today. Guess my band days are over cause every one has compromised/ sold out to the idea that it's more important to show off and get laid than play real music.
It's a damn shame.
Worse yet Huntingdon county to my knowledge has no where at all to go see a real band playing real music.
What I would give to see a band with some caliber.
The pretending rock bands don't seem to have even good rock singers. Where is all the angst?
Breaks my heart to see such a great genre sold out for a lower life form. As far as art goes every one has a right to make art. What sucks is good art is being pushed over by bad art. Gluing some ten cans together is not art but a painting of a beautiful hill side is. Having a producer conger up some song based on a predefined formula to push record sales is not art. A couple of guys playing for days at a time to convey the desire of the heart in a song is art and has more depth than any formula. Muisc in the industry has become a perfected science. Fallowed by pushing it so hard on the radio till every one is brainwashed into thinking it was a good idea.
Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong. But at least I have the balls to say what every one else is thinking. I aint alone.
All my friends and there friends are feeling it too. Sony must die lol
And again there is room for every one. But once again I blame the industry and air heads. It's not even good music and I don't see much art in it. I'm still here and playing rock n roll. There are hordes of folks on youtube instead out playing where I can go see them. I have quit going to bars because all they play is radio crap. I'm sick to death of music that has no sole to it at all. It's blasphemy I can't stand it and won't play it.
Frustration yes has gotten the best of me today. Guess my band days are over cause every one has compromised/ sold out to the idea that it's more important to show off and get laid than play real music.
It's a damn shame.
Worse yet Huntingdon county to my knowledge has no where at all to go see a real band playing real music.
What I would give to see a band with some caliber.
The pretending rock bands don't seem to have even good rock singers. Where is all the angst?
Breaks my heart to see such a great genre sold out for a lower life form. As far as art goes every one has a right to make art. What sucks is good art is being pushed over by bad art. Gluing some ten cans together is not art but a painting of a beautiful hill side is. Having a producer conger up some song based on a predefined formula to push record sales is not art. A couple of guys playing for days at a time to convey the desire of the heart in a song is art and has more depth than any formula. Muisc in the industry has become a perfected science. Fallowed by pushing it so hard on the radio till every one is brainwashed into thinking it was a good idea.
Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong. But at least I have the balls to say what every one else is thinking. I aint alone.
All my friends and there friends are feeling it too. Sony must die lol
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I'm not sure exactly what to say here. If you look at the show schedule tab here on RP, there are bands playing almost every night of the week. I have to agree though, there are fewer and fewer places to play it seems. Also if you look at the playlists of the bands who are doing covers, they play a lot of the same songs, so I guess it comes down to who plays them better.
I would love to play out, but myself, like most, dont have a 9-5 job, can drive 2 hours to a gig, do sound check, play, pack up and drive 2 hours home to get home at 4 am and try to function for the family the next day.
There are good bands out there playing good music. On the other hand, there are bands that just seem to be thrown together, book shows and need to go back to the garage and practice more.
It sucks, I've played to the backs of peoples head and the bartender. It sucks and you just want to pack up your gear and go home. but when everyone is into it, it is the best.
You have to compromise a bit. You can't go out and book shows playing only stuff you want to hear. I've been in bands playing songs I absolutely freakin hated, but I knew people would like them, so I grin and bear it.
I've been out of the loop for awhile, so I'm not sure what people would want to listen to right now. But I still don't for the life understand how anyone can spend 3 hours listening to screamo. The riffs are great and musically technical in some bands cases, but to me vocally it is not music.
I think we do need more good "rock" bands out there. Some good ones that come to mind are NailDriver, Half Tempted, Hair Force One and Sunset Strip. Not everyone needs to play hair metal, eventhough that is my favorite and what I grew up on, but again, everyone is playing the same setlists for the most part.
I would love to do a good rock band playing b-sides of popular tracks. Popular bands, but not necessarily their most popular songs that we've heard a million times over. But it comes back to, if people don't know it, they won't like it. So who knows
I have to agree with the original post for the most part. Others made very valid points too. I've seen videos on youtube of kids, people just shredding, then you find out they are bedroom rock stars, and I have to say WTF!!! you need to be in a band dude!!!
oh well enough from me
I would love to play out, but myself, like most, dont have a 9-5 job, can drive 2 hours to a gig, do sound check, play, pack up and drive 2 hours home to get home at 4 am and try to function for the family the next day.
There are good bands out there playing good music. On the other hand, there are bands that just seem to be thrown together, book shows and need to go back to the garage and practice more.
It sucks, I've played to the backs of peoples head and the bartender. It sucks and you just want to pack up your gear and go home. but when everyone is into it, it is the best.
You have to compromise a bit. You can't go out and book shows playing only stuff you want to hear. I've been in bands playing songs I absolutely freakin hated, but I knew people would like them, so I grin and bear it.
I've been out of the loop for awhile, so I'm not sure what people would want to listen to right now. But I still don't for the life understand how anyone can spend 3 hours listening to screamo. The riffs are great and musically technical in some bands cases, but to me vocally it is not music.
I think we do need more good "rock" bands out there. Some good ones that come to mind are NailDriver, Half Tempted, Hair Force One and Sunset Strip. Not everyone needs to play hair metal, eventhough that is my favorite and what I grew up on, but again, everyone is playing the same setlists for the most part.
I would love to do a good rock band playing b-sides of popular tracks. Popular bands, but not necessarily their most popular songs that we've heard a million times over. But it comes back to, if people don't know it, they won't like it. So who knows
I have to agree with the original post for the most part. Others made very valid points too. I've seen videos on youtube of kids, people just shredding, then you find out they are bedroom rock stars, and I have to say WTF!!! you need to be in a band dude!!!
oh well enough from me
S.S.D.D.
Thanks lynch1. I think you are feeling me here. I like how you brought up the B side issue. I don't understand why we only hear about 12 sabbath songs total on any radio station on the planet. They put out like a dozen or more albums.
I guess I don't really understand the audience either. I mean I look forward to hearing good new tunes. Something I don't hear much or not at all and sounds all the better for it. I thought that was the point of going to see a band. Otherwise just turn the Jukebox back on lol. I mean really come on man! But instead hear comes one more band beating that poor song into the ground some more.
We have a chance to get out there and do something not heard enough of and people are bothered by that. Air heads!
Go back to your house and do some sole searching cause your being stupid.
I love when I'm at a carnival or fair or what ever and I hear that sound man.
Some one is doing something right that reaches out and grabs me by the spine. I will seek them out to find out who they are and wish I could find more like them back home.
Which takes me to another point. Even if there out there. I'm not the most internet savvy guy. So I have a hard time finding them and like you I don't want to drive 2 hours to see them either. I would like to aggregate a rock seen here in Huntingdon. We need it desperately there is a huge demand for it. I have never seen a band hear that grabbed me. We use to have the Road House, then there was the County Line, William Penn and the Colonial. All dives of course. Never saw any one trying to bring it really. I have to go to the state theater every year or so they will have some great acts.
So frustrating. I'm having a really hard time with this because I am a passionate rock lover. Not really the hair thing but really I don't care what they look like when the pulse is moven me and the singer is soaring.
There is an invisible wall keeping all the righteous bands away. Or we could say shitty bars lol. Huntingdon is bad bar seen as it is. But I can't even find any in State or Altoona. At least when I'm looking and have time.
And here I'm a Singer player and like you mention not willing to drive hours and hours to play and go home. I'm in the sticks. But I would bet my bottom dollar I am surrounded by 12 closet rockstars and have no way to connect with them. We need a music community so every one has a chance to bring it. Wouldn't know where to begin. And what makes me sadder even is I teach middle school kids in a rock band program and I don't know where it's going to take them other than down that same road I am on yo. What a debacle. In the end I stick to my guns and blame radio and bars cause people can be told to listen to anything apparently. Cause if they can listen to the garbage on the radio they can listen to good music. Peace!
I guess I don't really understand the audience either. I mean I look forward to hearing good new tunes. Something I don't hear much or not at all and sounds all the better for it. I thought that was the point of going to see a band. Otherwise just turn the Jukebox back on lol. I mean really come on man! But instead hear comes one more band beating that poor song into the ground some more.
We have a chance to get out there and do something not heard enough of and people are bothered by that. Air heads!
Go back to your house and do some sole searching cause your being stupid.
I love when I'm at a carnival or fair or what ever and I hear that sound man.
Some one is doing something right that reaches out and grabs me by the spine. I will seek them out to find out who they are and wish I could find more like them back home.
Which takes me to another point. Even if there out there. I'm not the most internet savvy guy. So I have a hard time finding them and like you I don't want to drive 2 hours to see them either. I would like to aggregate a rock seen here in Huntingdon. We need it desperately there is a huge demand for it. I have never seen a band hear that grabbed me. We use to have the Road House, then there was the County Line, William Penn and the Colonial. All dives of course. Never saw any one trying to bring it really. I have to go to the state theater every year or so they will have some great acts.
So frustrating. I'm having a really hard time with this because I am a passionate rock lover. Not really the hair thing but really I don't care what they look like when the pulse is moven me and the singer is soaring.
There is an invisible wall keeping all the righteous bands away. Or we could say shitty bars lol. Huntingdon is bad bar seen as it is. But I can't even find any in State or Altoona. At least when I'm looking and have time.
And here I'm a Singer player and like you mention not willing to drive hours and hours to play and go home. I'm in the sticks. But I would bet my bottom dollar I am surrounded by 12 closet rockstars and have no way to connect with them. We need a music community so every one has a chance to bring it. Wouldn't know where to begin. And what makes me sadder even is I teach middle school kids in a rock band program and I don't know where it's going to take them other than down that same road I am on yo. What a debacle. In the end I stick to my guns and blame radio and bars cause people can be told to listen to anything apparently. Cause if they can listen to the garbage on the radio they can listen to good music. Peace!
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Re: Is Rock n Roll Dead?
this is such a true statement. personally, a year ago if you would have asked me if i would be playing in an alternative style rock band, the answer would have been no way. i was strict, only blues. getting out of the blues bubble has made me grow leaps and bounds as a player. changing and defining my style.VENTGtr wrote:Without meaning to drag someone else's name in, Bad Daze Paul has said that he was always able to find something in the stuff he played and helped him grow. For example, say, playing something by...if I can type it without over-cringing...Nic... Nope...N-Back...would make him edit/play more straight than he normally would.
i absolutely love the blues, and our band decided that we would cover not known or little known blues material. well, we played to chairs a lot over the last year (minus festivals) and barely made any money. and now playing the alternative rock stuff that us (20 somethings) are into, we are drawing a crowd and making money.
and to be honest, when you guys were in your 20's were you going to bars to see bands playing stuff you didn't like or know? probably not. i dont know, i guess i'm kinda in between being 27 and all. i can kind of see both points. but regardless, i wanna feel peoples emotions and energy when playing and the back of a chair just doesn't give anything back to me ha.
i really don't know where i'm going with all this haha.
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I guess I have said my peace. I'm not one to compromise my belief and I'm not 20 and never will be again and will not play stuff I cannot identify with. Guess I'm out. Any one need some great gear?
Good luck to you all. Thanks to Obama and those before him we have lost our freedom of speech any way. Now your it's against the law to call your government on there illegal unconstitutional activities. There saying your a terrorist if you don't want them fracking in your back yard and destroying your town and habitat. But that is for another blog.
Wish you guys the best at what you do for what time you have left to do it.
I'd trade my Marshall for guns and ammo now. lol
Peace
Good luck to you all. Thanks to Obama and those before him we have lost our freedom of speech any way. Now your it's against the law to call your government on there illegal unconstitutional activities. There saying your a terrorist if you don't want them fracking in your back yard and destroying your town and habitat. But that is for another blog.
Wish you guys the best at what you do for what time you have left to do it.
I'd trade my Marshall for guns and ammo now. lol
Peace
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I was actually interested in what you had to say until I read this. What does this have to do with music? If you want to discuss politics then make a thread about it and go to town. Otherwise, keep your political views to yourself.kingkab55 wrote:Thanks to Obama...lost our freedom of speech...illegal unconstitutional activities...terrorist if you don't want them fracking in your back yard...
Yea, no shit. This is one of those moments of clarity that should have stopped you from clicking 'submit'. It's bullshit like this that makes people not want to post on this site at all.kingkab55 wrote:But that is for another blog.
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~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
You're missing the point. I'm not saying you're not entitled to your point of view. I'm not saying I can't handle (lol!) your point of view. Starting a thread about music, talking music all the way up to 99% and then at the end saying, "Oh by the way, screw Obama, terrorists, unconstitutional political shit, gimme guns and ammo, etc. etc." is bullshit. It's annoying and it has nothing to do with music. And I am absolutely not the only one who feels this way. Many times on Rock Page people have taken heat for inserting politics into a conversation where it was inappropriate and completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion. This is what you've done here.
I'm not saying I agree with your politics and I'm not saying I disagree. I'm saying I don't give shit. I couldn't possibly care less about your politics. Words cannot express the all-consuming titanic enormity of the fuck I do not give. If you're going to start a chat about music, then talk about music. The sudden gear change at the end was unnecessary, annoying and utterly irrelevant.
What's really a shame is that you had a great conversation going on here. And then you had to drop your pants and take a giant shit all over it. Obnoxious and pointless.
I'm not saying I agree with your politics and I'm not saying I disagree. I'm saying I don't give shit. I couldn't possibly care less about your politics. Words cannot express the all-consuming titanic enormity of the fuck I do not give. If you're going to start a chat about music, then talk about music. The sudden gear change at the end was unnecessary, annoying and utterly irrelevant.
What's really a shame is that you had a great conversation going on here. And then you had to drop your pants and take a giant shit all over it. Obnoxious and pointless.
"This above all: to thine own self be true."
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
Every one is entitled to there opinion (at least that's what the constatution says). Just cause I state my view in the last paragraph of a paradox between the expressed subject and it's connection with civil unrest in my view doesn't mean I have changed gears or the subject. But it seems that it has touched a deep nerve with you since you are now the cause of a subject shift and if you didn't give a shit you wouldn't have shit all over my my blog with your nasty comments. Which only expresses to me your complete lack of respect for my vantage point and don't deserve to receive the knowledge I have presented since you can't take the good with the bad stay home and in bed and hid from every one else's thought about anything you don't like.
Shall we continue down this road or can we leave the debate for another blog?
Shall we continue down this road or can we leave the debate for another blog?
Knowledge is the result of experience.
Well, if everyone's entitled to their opinion, then that includes me, doesn't it? And if you have the right to bring up politics anytime you feel like it, then I have the right to say how annoying I think that is. It's a public forum. Works both ways, spanky.
"This above all: to thine own self be true."
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
Unfortunately you are correct and I say unfortunately because while I choose to use tact. You seem to lack any such diplomacy. Which reminds me of one of my favorite covers from one of my favorite bands.
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free fucking speech
I would like to thank the fallowing members for there wisdom and insight.
I feel I have learned some things from this post.
VENTGtr
Jasaoke
lynch1
kayla
Good to know there are more evolved folks out there than sloped foreheads.
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free speech, free speech for the dumb
Free fucking speech
I would like to thank the fallowing members for there wisdom and insight.
I feel I have learned some things from this post.
VENTGtr
Jasaoke
lynch1
kayla
Good to know there are more evolved folks out there than sloped foreheads.
Knowledge is the result of experience.
LOL! So now you're throwing insults around like we're in grade school? "Diplomacy?" Are you drunk? You accuse me of being dumb just because I disagree with something you posted. Then you imply that I have a "sloped forehead". Does this sound like diplomacy to you? Go look the word up in a dictionary because it doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.
I understand that it makes you feel better to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, but here's something to consider: Go back over everything I posted and read it again. You will not find one single insult directed at you whatsoever. Everything I said was directed at your inappropriate post. I never said or implied that you were stupid or evolutionarily challenged because of it. I never insulted you at all, but you just can't stand the idea that a person who disagrees with you could be intelligent. It's easier to dismiss me and accuse me of being stupid. Does this really sound like the thought process of an open-minded, diplomatic person to you?
But, hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.
I understand that it makes you feel better to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, but here's something to consider: Go back over everything I posted and read it again. You will not find one single insult directed at you whatsoever. Everything I said was directed at your inappropriate post. I never said or implied that you were stupid or evolutionarily challenged because of it. I never insulted you at all, but you just can't stand the idea that a person who disagrees with you could be intelligent. It's easier to dismiss me and accuse me of being stupid. Does this really sound like the thought process of an open-minded, diplomatic person to you?
But, hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.
"This above all: to thine own self be true."
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
man you like to talk. So the blog is all yours at this point. I have made my case and I am done with it. If you must play the last word game suite your self. Every one else was polite. Now one else called any names till you came along and had to through your foul mouth into the mix. Not that I don't like to swear. Cause I do.
But this is public place..... Never mind the point seems to be mute at this point with you.
Good day!
But this is public place..... Never mind the point seems to be mute at this point with you.
Good day!
Knowledge is the result of experience.
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MistValkyrie
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You think rock and the local music scene are dead because people argue on forums? That doesn't make much sense to me.Jasaoke wrote:Seriously, fellas, this exchange (previous 8 or 9 posts) is a bright, shining example of why rock n' roll, and the local scene, is dead.
"This above all: to thine own self be true."
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
No, I think you guys are making the same point, and both right. It was an interesting topic for discussion, then, in one bizarre spout, the sane train pulled out of town and the wheels fell off at the first bend.Dark Soul wrote:You think rock and the local music scene are dead because people argue on forums? That doesn't make much sense to me.Jasaoke wrote:Seriously, fellas, this exchange (previous 8 or 9 posts) is a bright, shining example of why rock n' roll, and the local scene, is dead.
I think Jasaoke's point was the "RP community", for lack of a better word, rather than having discussions, or even debates, gets derailed, so the interest in continuing a conversation goes from "Let's talk" to "Oh, for crying out loud...".
DaveP.
"You must be this beautiful to ride the Quagmire."
"You must be this beautiful to ride the Quagmire."
Just wanted to thank Dave (VENTGtr) for the kind words about my band Hate Grenade. We certainly try and do our best to represent the music that has influenced us the most. There is no money or fame - but we've been blessed with some great opportunities and we've had the chance to meet a lot of new people, make a lot of new friends, play music we love, and more importantly... hear a lot of new music. All I'll say to those searching for the music scene is that it's not going to pop up in your living room! If you want to find the music scene, you have to go out and be a part of it. Trust me - there is a scene. It's very special. It's not as HUGE as it used to be, but it's still there and it's full of all the right people (bands, musicians, close-friends, family, etc.) So yea - you might only go out to the bar and see 50-60 people...However, when it's 50-60 personal friends, fans, and fellow musicians you really feel like you're a part of something; at least I do. That said, I would ask each of you looking for the scene to do us a solid and just come out and see us once. The scene starts with the people who take the time to still read rock-page posts. Come out and let us welcome you back!
Best,
Chuck
www.facebook.com/HateGrenade
Best,
Chuck
www.facebook.com/HateGrenade
I hear what you guys are saying about the scene and I agree for the most part, but for me, it just isn't worth the effort anymore. I've been playing guitar for over 25 years and, not to sound immodest, but I can play pretty anything I want to in the realm of blues, rock or metal. I've studied everything from old Robert Johnson recordings to Rush to Dream Theater to Beethoven. You name it, I can play it. And I act like a professional. I show up on time. I learn my parts accurately. I will practice as many times a week as you like. I don't get drunk in the middle of a gig.
I have spent the past FIVE YEARS trying to get a band going and it's just impossible. 90% of the time, when I contact a musician, we email each other once or twice and as soon as I want to actually get together and play, they disappear and I never hear from them again. When I join a band, there's always one asshole who ruins it all. I've had to deal with egomaniacs, unskilled players who can't even handle AC/DC without screwing it up but somehow think they're good enough to be on stage, players who are good but can't stay sober long enough to finish a setlist, players who managed to squeeze their way into the band because of who they're friends with but then it turns out they just started playing their instrument a couple months ago and couldn't play their way out of a wet paper bag...
It's enough to make me wanna scream. And to put the cherry on it...a lot of the bands around here who ARE out and gigging play the SAME DAMN SONGS. As a matter of principle, if there are more than a handful of bands doing a song, I won't touch it. That's just common sense to me. I don't want to be just another cookie cutter band like everyone else out there. But trying to make that work in this area is so hard it's not even worth it. And once you do work through all that bullshit and finally get your band in shape and have gigs booked...you don't make hardly any money at all. So I just don't see the point anymore.
Keith Reynolds and I are working on a recording project together and I'm having more fun than I EVER had playing out. I'd love to see the scene around here recover but I just don't see that happening.
I have spent the past FIVE YEARS trying to get a band going and it's just impossible. 90% of the time, when I contact a musician, we email each other once or twice and as soon as I want to actually get together and play, they disappear and I never hear from them again. When I join a band, there's always one asshole who ruins it all. I've had to deal with egomaniacs, unskilled players who can't even handle AC/DC without screwing it up but somehow think they're good enough to be on stage, players who are good but can't stay sober long enough to finish a setlist, players who managed to squeeze their way into the band because of who they're friends with but then it turns out they just started playing their instrument a couple months ago and couldn't play their way out of a wet paper bag...
It's enough to make me wanna scream. And to put the cherry on it...a lot of the bands around here who ARE out and gigging play the SAME DAMN SONGS. As a matter of principle, if there are more than a handful of bands doing a song, I won't touch it. That's just common sense to me. I don't want to be just another cookie cutter band like everyone else out there. But trying to make that work in this area is so hard it's not even worth it. And once you do work through all that bullshit and finally get your band in shape and have gigs booked...you don't make hardly any money at all. So I just don't see the point anymore.
Keith Reynolds and I are working on a recording project together and I'm having more fun than I EVER had playing out. I'd love to see the scene around here recover but I just don't see that happening.
"This above all: to thine own self be true."
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'
~Polonius, Shakespeare's 'Hamlet'