undercoverjoe wrote: The keep chugging that kool-aid. They will convince you the sun rises in the West if it helps Obomunism.
Obomunism. From Obama.
Okay, I guess the first two letters are the same, at least, and you get to include the word, "communism," even though you haven't a clue what it means.
joe, you DO understand that the runaway-capitalists like yourself are more closely-aligned and supportive of communism that than the so-called leftwing, right? YOU support corporations who utilize labor in the People's Republic of China, the current Communist Superpower, and the most populate Communist country on the planet. Your consumer dollars and contempt for the American worker are making Red China strong, comrade!
What should we call that? underachieverjoemunism? Chibirkialism? Dumb-unism? Maybe you should leave the snappy catch-phrases to those better-suited to creativity and hookiness.
After your personal attack, your forgot to lie and twist the fact that the price of gas is higher now than it has ever been. Is your Kenyan owned by Big Oil or Geroge Soros? Or both? What happened to caring for the 99%?
undercoverjoe wrote:
Obamunism has given us the lowest gas prices in our lifetimes.
Obamunism has given us the best economy in decades.
Obamunism has given us the best employment in decades.
All things that Johnny believes.
Proof? Ya, I didn't think so. Extremists only think in extremes, even when they're dealing with the middle. Is gas at it's highest point in our lifetimes? No, July 2008, Bush Admin. Is this the worst economy in our lifetimes? No, February 2009, when Rush was saying "I hope he fails.". Is this the highest unemployment in outr lifetimes? No, it was 10.8% in 1982, under Reagan. All things Johnny believes, because it's the reality.
But extremist koolaid comrade forgot to mention that for this time of the year, gas HAS NEVER BEEN PRICED HIGHER. THIS REALITY HURTS HIS OBOMUNISM SO HE PRETENDS IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Many would call that psychotic. Its just another day for stumpy.
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undercoverjoe wrote:After your personal attack, your forgot to lie and twist the fact that the price of gas is higher now than it has ever been. Is your Kenyan owned by Big Oil or Geroge Soros? Or both? What happened to caring for the 99%?
High gas prices ? Just Big Oil's way of helping out the Republicans take down the Democrats.
Republicans to Big Oil, "You guys raise the prices and we'll make it an issue. Our lockstep followers will believe anything we tell them. Ours is their ONLY source of information. We totally convinced them any source other than ours, is ONLY out to ruin America. And they believe us "
undercoverjoe wrote:After your personal attack, your forgot to lie and twist the fact that the price of gas is higher now than it has ever been. Is your Kenyan owned by Big Oil or Geroge Soros? Or both? What happened to caring for the 99%?
High gas prices ? Just Big Oil's way of helping out the Republicans take down the Democrats.
Republicans to Big Oil, "You guys raise the prices and we'll make it an issue. Our lockstep followers will believe anything we tell them. Ours is their ONLY source of information. We totally convinced them any source other than ours, is ONLY out to ruin America. And they believe us "
Yet another excuse to make obama look like an innocent bystander. The prices are the same as they were with Bush, so if it was speculators for Obama, it was also speculators for Bush. If it was Bush himself doing it, it is also Obama himself doing it. Plain an simple. It can't be one or the other. You liberals will lie all you can to make your messiah look like a saint.
Liberals made it an issue the whole time Bush was President. I suppose you forgot about the daily gas price tally on MSNBC? Or the constant calls for Bush's head, and the constant screaming about him supposedly being in bed with the oil companies. Gee, how you forgot now that boy wonder is president.
Now that the messiah and anointed one is in office, he can do no wrong. We all know that you liberals will be crying about gas prices come next January when your saint is thrown out and a republican is in office.
Big oil gets .06 cents a gallon in profit. The government takes .60 cents a gallon in taxes. It isn't big oils fault. It is the governments fault.
lonewolf wrote: Only Johnny doesn't pick up on that because he doesn't bother reading, he just replies with a variation of his same old post.
Only Wolf would miss that Johnny doesn't often use other people's words, he can handle himself better verbally than anyone in the Braintrust, a real bone in uber-right pseudo-intellectual craws. I read pretty well, too, you're just not as put-together as you seem to think, and most of the time, your ego leads you around by the keyboard-you-invented. You're apparently used to people silently nodding in patronizing agreement, even when they disagree. Plus, you're wrong alot.
You are right, there is a lot of sameness to my posts. I consistently make you look like a blustery know-it-all, and joe look like he's psychotic. I think that's called, "realism."
Only Johnny doesn't pick up on that because he doesn't bother reading, he just replies with a variation of his same old post.
BTW, your "realism" and $3.70 will buy you a gallon of gas.
f.sciarrillo wrote: The prices are the same as they were with Bush, so if it was speculators for Obama, it was also speculators for Bush. If it was Bush himself doing it, it is also Obama himself doing it. Plain an simple. It can't be one or the other.
You just made life difficult for your cohorts... they're saying prices are HIGHER now, even though they aren't. joe just said they're the highest "for this time of year," Wolf says they're the highest "on average for the time-period he specifies," and you say they're equal.
It was speculators that did it for Bush, not government... unless you count how government HELPS Big Oil with tax breaks and outright subsidies Bush championed, as an insider in the industry. Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, too (they were found at fault for the BP spill, as well). That's not even counting looking the other way on environmental concerns and former politicians roaming the halls of the Capitol Bldg looking for insider-trading info.
I point the flashlight back at you... if it was okay under Bush, why is it not okay now? (The answer is, it's not okay at all and never was. The Obama Admin is less concerned with Big Oil's profits than Bush ever was.)
BTW, the govt does not make 60 cents a gallon. Last I heard, it was $0.18 per.
Forget it Frank...Johnny doesn't understand the difference between paying a very high price for one month and paying a lower, but still very high price that adds up to $hundreds$ more all year.
I think it has something to do with that uber-left hypocrisy I was talking about. He just can't admit to anything that will undermine his messiah. Even when it is something as simple, confirmable and self-evident as gasoline prices.
It doesn't matter that it will cost more for gas this year than every other year since the dawn of time.
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undercoverjoe wrote:After your personal attack, your forgot to lie and twist the fact that the price of gas is higher now than it has ever been. Is your Kenyan owned by Big Oil or Geroge Soros? Or both? What happened to caring for the 99%?
High gas prices ? Just Big Oil's way of helping out the Republicans take down the Democrats.
Republicans to Big Oil, "You guys raise the prices and we'll make it an issue. Our lockstep followers will believe anything we tell them. Ours is their ONLY source of information. We totally convinced them any source other than ours, is ONLY out to ruin America. And they believe us "
Yet another excuse to make obama look like an innocent bystander. The prices are the same as they were with Bush, so if it was speculators for Obama, it was also speculators for Bush. If it was Bush himself doing it, it is also Obama himself doing it. Plain an simple. It can't be one or the other. You liberals will lie all you can to make your messiah look like a saint.
Liberals made it an issue the whole time Bush was President. I suppose you forgot about the daily gas price tally on MSNBC? Or the constant calls for Bush's head, and the constant screaming about him supposedly being in bed with the oil companies. Gee, how you forgot now that boy wonder is president.
Now that the messiah and anointed one is in office, he can do no wrong. We all know that you liberals will be crying about gas prices come next January when your saint is thrown out and a republican is in office.
Big oil gets .06 cents a gallon in profit. The government takes .60 cents a gallon in taxes. It isn't big oils fault. It is the governments fault.
First of all, I do remember hammering Bush. I never said otherwise.
Second, what is this messiah crap ? Isn't the anti-christ supposed to fool all of the people. Obama is lucky to get a 50% approval rating. I've repeatedly announced my displeasure with Obama, as have many left wingers. So explain to me why the right insists on using biblical messiah names when referring to Obama ?
Here's why.
One day right after the election I was working in a church. The elderly (70's) lady pianist (who I had known for many years) told me Obama was the anti christ. When I expressed my opinion that he wasn't she began to cry. During our very long conversation I ask a simple question, "Do you only watch fox and listen to Limbaugh ? She said yes. I've never been called back to that church. There are a lot more people out there like her and Fox did their job, fair and balanced .
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songsmith wrote: [Only Wolf would miss that Johnny doesn't often use other people's words, he can handle himself better verbally than anyone in the Braintrust, a real bone in uber-right pseudo-intellectual craws. I read pretty well, too, you're just not as put-together as you seem to think, and most of the time, your ego leads you around by the keyboard-you-invented. You're apparently used to people silently nodding in patronizing agreement, even when they disagree. Plus, you're wrong alot.
You are right, there is a lot of sameness to my posts. I consistently make you look like a blustery know-it-all, and joe look like he's psychotic. I think that's called, "realism."
Only Johnny doesn't pick up on that because he doesn't bother reading, he just replies with a variation of his same old post.
BTW, your "realism" and $3.70 will buy you a gallon of gas.
Reposted for maximum BURRRRRNNN. And $3.70 would only buy 3/4 of a gallon of gas at it's peak, in 2008.
Hawk wrote:Second, what is this messiah crap ? Isn't the anti-christ supposed to fool all of the people. Obama is lucky to get a 50% approval rating. I've repeatedly announced my displeasure with Obama, as have many left wingers. So explain to me why the right insists on using biblical messiah names when referring to Obama ?
Nobody said anything about the anti-Christ. Obama is simply too inept to be the anti-Christ. He was given messianic treatment by the uber-left 10% and anybody who is still cheerleading this guy is giving it to him. As long as there is unreasonable support for Obama, I will continue to use Biblical references.
Most reasonable people who supported Obama early on are disappointed, so you aren't alone with your displeasure.
f.sciarrillo wrote: The prices are the same as they were with Bush, so if it was speculators for Obama, it was also speculators for Bush. If it was Bush himself doing it, it is also Obama himself doing it. Plain an simple. It can't be one or the other.
You just made life difficult for your cohorts... they're saying prices are HIGHER now, even though they aren't. joe just said they're the highest "for this time of year," Wolf says they're the highest "on average for the time-period he specifies," and you say they're equal.
It was speculators that did it for Bush, not government... unless you count how government HELPS Big Oil with tax breaks and outright subsidies Bush championed, as an insider in the industry. Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, too (they were found at fault for the BP spill, as well). That's not even counting looking the other way on environmental concerns and former politicians roaming the halls of the Capitol Bldg looking for insider-trading info.
I point the flashlight back at you... if it was okay under Bush, why is it not okay now? (The answer is, it's not okay at all and never was. The Obama Admin is less concerned with Big Oil's profits than Bush ever was.)
BTW, the govt does not make 60 cents a gallon. Last I heard, it was $0.18 per.
Gas is at the highest on a yearly avarege. Not a weekly average. And the government does take around 40 cents a gallon, or 13%.
songsmith wrote: [Only Wolf would miss that Johnny doesn't often use other people's words, he can handle himself better verbally than anyone in the Braintrust, a real bone in uber-right pseudo-intellectual craws. I read pretty well, too, you're just not as put-together as you seem to think, and most of the time, your ego leads you around by the keyboard-you-invented. You're apparently used to people silently nodding in patronizing agreement, even when they disagree. Plus, you're wrong alot.
You are right, there is a lot of sameness to my posts. I consistently make you look like a blustery know-it-all, and joe look like he's psychotic. I think that's called, "realism."
Only Johnny doesn't pick up on that because he doesn't bother reading, he just replies with a variation of his same old post.
BTW, your "realism" and $3.70 will buy you a gallon of gas.
Reposted for maximum BURRRRRNNN. And $3.70 would only buy 3/4 of a gallon of gas at it's peak, in 2008.
So, you paid $24 too much on a few fillups? And how does that compare with paying $216 too much all year?
$216 >> $24
>> is the "much greater than" sign as in $216 "is much greater than" $24
To put this into terms that you may understand, lets use apples. Lets say you have 13 baskets. On one side, you put only 18 apples in each of 12 baskets and on the other side you put all of 24 in one basket. The side with 12 baskets of 18 apples has a lot more apples than the side with one basket of 24 apples. You could say that the side with 12 baskets is "much greater than" the side with one basket.
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Hawk wrote:
High gas prices ? Just Big Oil's way of helping out the Republicans take down the Democrats.
Republicans to Big Oil, "You guys raise the prices and we'll make it an issue. Our lockstep followers will believe anything we tell them. Ours is their ONLY source of information. We totally convinced them any source other than ours, is ONLY out to ruin America. And they believe us "
Yet another excuse to make obama look like an innocent bystander. The prices are the same as they were with Bush, so if it was speculators for Obama, it was also speculators for Bush. If it was Bush himself doing it, it is also Obama himself doing it. Plain an simple. It can't be one or the other. You liberals will lie all you can to make your messiah look like a saint.
Liberals made it an issue the whole time Bush was President. I suppose you forgot about the daily gas price tally on MSNBC? Or the constant calls for Bush's head, and the constant screaming about him supposedly being in bed with the oil companies. Gee, how you forgot now that boy wonder is president.
Now that the messiah and anointed one is in office, he can do no wrong. We all know that you liberals will be crying about gas prices come next January when your saint is thrown out and a republican is in office.
Big oil gets .06 cents a gallon in profit. The government takes .60 cents a gallon in taxes. It isn't big oils fault. It is the governments fault.
First of all, I do remember hammering Bush. I never said otherwise.
Second, what is this messiah crap ? Isn't the anti-christ supposed to fool all of the people. Obama is lucky to get a 50% approval rating. I've repeatedly announced my displeasure with Obama, as have many left wingers. So explain to me why the right insists on using biblical messiah names when referring to Obama ?
Here's why.
One day right after the election I was working in a church. The elderly (70's) lady pianist (who I had known for many years) told me Obama was the anti christ. When I expressed my opinion that he wasn't she began to cry. During our very long conversation I ask a simple question, "Do you only watch fox and listen to Limbaugh ? She said yes. I've never been called back to that church. There are a lot more people out there like her and Fox did their job, fair and balanced .
Liberals as a base were constantly hammering Bush for the high gas prices.
Obama is given the messiah treatment, which is why he is know as the liberals messiah. Not because he is the anti-christ. Like Jeff, I believe he is too inept to be the anti-christ.
I know you announced your displeasure with Obama. But you still defend him tooth and nail.
And finally, I don't watch fox news all that much. I watch CNN more than any of them. I do accasionally flip between Fox, CNN, and MSNBC to get a different view the issue. That way I can decide for myself how I feel about it.
Bill, the Messiah thing is pure right-wing mumbo-jumbo. No moderate or liberal ever referred to Obama as anything near that. The idea is to associate Obama with sacrilege, in front of and for the Fundamentalist Evangelicals. If you remember, there was actually an outcry from them 3 years ago to actually stop the media from calling him that, but they kept it up, knowing the real dim-bulbs would accept it.
I always thought it was just the funniest thing for the right to make accusations of hero-worship on one hand, and still be worshipping Reagan on the other. Don't get the connection? In any conversation about Obama, make a point that Reagan created the biggest debt in US history at the time. Say he had higher tax-rates, and felt the rich should pay more taxes. Bring up his auto-industry bailout. Tell them computers did far more for the economy than Reagan ever did.
The shit will hit the fan then, my friend. The wingers LOVE them some Reagan. Ronaldus Maximus! Hasn't been in politics since 1989, and even his son said he was suffering the effects of Alzheimer's before he left office, but Ronaldus Maximus is still referred to in hushed tones of ... hero-worship.
It's simple desperation at the ever-increasing probability of a second Obama term, and that's THEIR fault. If they fielded a candidate that doesn't view the working-class with contempt, or wasn't a complete buffoon, they might have a chance. It's not that everyone's in love with Obama, they just hate rightwing clowns worse. Most blame Republicans more for how things are, Obama's at 50%, but Congress is in single-digits. Talkshow conservatism is dying, as people become more acquainted with how and why talkshows do what they've done.
I like hearing "Messiah" being bandied about by the right. It's the sound of the bottom of the barrel.
lonewolf wrote:Forget it Frank...Johnny doesn't understand the difference between paying a very high price for one month and paying a lower, but still very high price that adds up to $hundreds$ more all year.
I think it has something to do with that uber-left hypocrisy I was talking about. He just can't admit to anything that will undermine his messiah. Even when it is something as simple, confirmable and self-evident as gasoline prices.
It doesn't matter that it will cost more for gas this year than every other year since the dawn of time.
f.sciarrillo wrote: Liberals made it an issue the whole time Bush was President. I suppose you forgot about the daily gas price tally on MSNBC? Or the constant calls for Bush's head, and the constant screaming about him supposedly being in bed with the oil companies. Gee, how you forgot now that boy wonder is president.
Now that the messiah and anointed one is in office, he can do no wrong. We all know that you liberals will be crying about gas prices come next January when your saint is thrown out and a republican is in office.
Big oil gets .06 cents a gallon in profit. The government takes .60 cents a gallon in taxes. It isn't big oils fault. It is the governments fault.
[quote/Hawk]First of all, I do remember hammering Bush. I never said otherwise.
Second, what is this messiah crap ? Isn't the anti-christ supposed to fool all of the people. Obama is lucky to get a 50% approval rating. I've repeatedly announced my displeasure with Obama, as have many left wingers. So explain to me why the right insists on using biblical messiah names when referring to Obama ?
Here's why.
One day right after the election I was working in a church. The elderly (70's) lady pianist (who I had known for many years) told me Obama was the anti christ. When I expressed my opinion that he wasn't she began to cry. During our very long conversation I ask a simple question, "Do you only watch fox and listen to Limbaugh ? She said yes. I've never been called back to that church. There are a lot more people out there like her and Fox did their job, fair and balanced .[/quote]
Liberals as a base were constantly hammering Bush for the high gas prices.
Obama is given the messiah treatment, which is why he is know as the liberals messiah. Not because he is the anti-christ. Like Jeff, I believe he is too inept to be the anti-christ.
I know you announced your displeasure with Obama. But you still defend him tooth and nail.
And finally, I don't watch fox news all that much. I watch CNN more than any of them. I do accasionally flip between Fox, CNN, and MSNBC to get a different view the issue. That way I can decide for myself how I feel about it.[/quote]
Say what, now? All I did was highlight your use of the word "messiah." I had to hit edit, because the original post was confusing as to who said what in quotes. I was being as clear as I could be. Clearly, you used the word several times. Because you have nothing else.
songsmith wrote:Say what, now? All I did was highlight your use of the word "messiah." I had to hit edit, because the original post was confusing as to who said what in quotes. I was being as clear as I could be. Clearly, you used the word several times. Because you have nothing else.
"I think eventually, the price of oil will stabilize, and we still won't be able to afford it. Americans will bankrupt themselves to continue their lifestyle, as many folks feel that driving is a right (I checked the Constitution... nary a mention), and they've been doing it for generations. I think the class struggles we have now will become the stuff of nostalgia, and the difference between working-class and "management" will be gaping. Exactly the way the Neo's want it. ---->JMS"
On July28th:
"How many times do I have to say it: Big Oil is a small group of very very VERY rich men who don't give a flat-footed fuck about YOU or your politics, or your little house or your bills, or your kids. They care about record profits, corporate tax breaks, and their castles in Dallas suburbs. Blame whoever the hell you want for gas prices, but never lose sight of the UNDENIABLE FACT that they made enough PROFIT (shall I define "profit?") in one year to pay for the Iraq debacle for one year. The most any industry EVER made. Now you can blame OPEC, they have a hand in it, too, but they're not Americans, and anyway, I'll point out that Big Oil made their profits on markups of foreign oil. It ain't like they've tighten their belts like we have, they didn't exactly patriotically drop their profit margin to benefit these United States, now did they?
You people backing the oil companies... now THERE'S some Kool-Aid. You hear rich fat-asses on Faux News and you just believe them because the last story was about God 'n guns. Bully for you. Drink up.
Wanna make a statement? Call your broker, call the guy who takes care of your 401k and IRA. Tell him that you want out of all funds that include petroleum stock. Sure you'll lose a little money, but you're losing thousands a year at the pump. Unless you have hundreds of thousands directly in petro, you're not getting enough money from investments to cover the cost of your actual gasoline and heat fuel. Divest, and let Big Oil use some of that 120 billion instead of your money.
Oh, and I agree with Hawk on deregulation. Name me just one industry that had lower consumer prices a year after deregulation. That wouldn't make sense... I tell you that you can charge whatever you want, so you say, "Well, let's bring our prices DOWN and engage in some competition! We'll work a lot harder and smarter and pass it all on to our customers!" Riiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhht.--------->JMS"
On the 31st of that month, I said:
"Exxon made 11.68 billion PROFIT on sales on 138.1 billion in sales. IN THREE MONTHS. Up 40% from same quarter last year.
For those of you who love saying they only make 8 cents on a gallon of gas, get out your calculators. I did, and it works out to 8.457%, or 33.83 cents per gallon. US fuel taxes are around 18 cents per gallon.
The FedGov DOES NOT make more than the oilco, as often noted by right-wingers.
Incidentally, once again Exxon posted the highest quarterly profit and sales figures for any US company, EVER, while YOU are sitting at home because you can't afford to go anywhere on vacation. Poor Big Oil, they're being unfairly blamed for the skyrocketing cost of of everything, it just ain't right, I tell ya. -------->JMS"
And finally, August 1st, 2008:
"Here's some ExxonMobil numbers for ya:
398 million dollars. That's how much the previous CEO got when he retired. He also got free country club memberships and use of the Exxon jet, plus a million a year as a "consultant."
12 years. That's how long he was Chairman.
85,174 dollars. That's the average wage at ExxonMobil.
4696 people. That's how many people you could pay at the average wage for one year, based on what Lee Raymond got just as a Platinum Parachute.
10.3 million gallons. That's how much crude spilled into Prince William Sound, AK.
5.287 billion dollars. That's how much the court ordered Exxon to pay for the Valdez incident.
507.5 million dollars. That's how much they actually paid, after bogging it in the courts for 19 years. They may have also paid 67 million to the Seattle Seven, but that was sealed so it can't be proven.
I still say, no honor among thieves.---->JMS"
I always stay on point. I blamed Big Oil then, same as now. Bush WAS Big Oil. The Trust blamed the price of gasoline on resistance to "Drill Baby Drill," and taxation/regulation on oil companies, though Wolf tended towards low interest rates, as well. I also touched on how gasoline had been high-priced since the Katrina debacle in 2005, and had never really come down to pre-hurricane levels, as an illustration of market manipulation, but as per usual, it was ignored. (Gasoline was not low-priced "a month before," as opined.)
Big Oil is a small group of very very VERY rich men who don't give a flat-footed fuck about YOU or your politics, or your little house or your bills, or your kids. They care about record profits, corporate tax breaks,
Just replace the first highlighted section with: Obama and his group of Wall Street advisers...
And replace the second highlighted section with: power and getting re-elected...
