THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[f.sciarrillo]

Explain why you think I hate this country. I love it AND I love the people in it. That's why I side on the side of the people.

The "Liberals really hate this country" is typical Republican parroted rhetoric...And a lie...

I didn't say you hate this country, I said liberals hate this country. You weren't listening again.

When I say about hating the country, I am referring to them wanting higher taxes, more government, and socialized medicine. All things that will hurt the country more than it will help it.

I'm a liberal...

We don't want more government. We want to go to Reagan era taxes so we don't run a deficit. And we want access to health care for everyone. Only rhetoric from the right would call that hate...

How would taxing the richest 2% hurt the USA ? They are hoarding a couple of Trillion dollars. They only have interest in taking down unions and lowering wages for all laborers. Like the Coke Brothers. (I forget how to spell their name).

How would having access to doctors for everyone hurt America ?

You liberals want to pay 78% of your paycheck in taxes. Tax everyone out of money, cost jobs and force everyone to pay for healthcare so we can bankrupt the country. Show me proof that socialized medicine works? I know people in Canada, and they say it sucks. The rate of people coming to this country for medical treatment is amazing. They have nothing but long wait times, and low quality. Plus the death rate from waiting is pretty high.

I still stand by regulating the health care companies and putting federal cap o premiums. I feel that would be better than socialized medicine.

Tax the rich more, they already support the bottom 98% of the country. They are the ones who start the companies that make the jobs. You liberals have some serious issues with them. I don't think you want people to succeed and work for what they have. You just want to hand it out. That is not a capitalist society bill, that is a socialist society. Spread that wealth, Bill, spread that wealth.

[Hawk]

I didn't say you hate this country, I said liberals hate this country. You weren't listening again.

When I say about hating the country, I am referring to them wanting higher taxes, more government, and socialized medicine. All things that will hurt the country more than it will help it.

I'm a liberal...

We don't want more government. We want to go to Reagan era taxes so we don't run a deficit. And we want access to health care for everyone. Only rhetoric from the right would call that hate...

How would taxing the richest 2% hurt the USA ? They are hoarding a couple of Trillion dollars. They only have interest in taking down unions and lowering wages for all laborers. Like the Coke Brothers. (I forget how to spell their name).

How would having access to doctors for everyone hurt America ?

You liberals want to pay 78% of your paycheck in taxes. Tax everyone out of money, cost jobs and force everyone to pay for healthcare so we can bankrupt the country. Show me proof that socialized medicine works? I know people in Canada, and they say it sucks. The rate of people coming to this country for medical treatment is amazing. They have nothing but long wait times, and low quality. Plus the death rate from waiting is pretty high.

I still stand by regulating the health care companies and putting federal cap o premiums. I feel that would be better than socialized medicine.

Tax the rich more, they already support the bottom 98% of the country. They are the ones who start the companies that make the jobs. You liberals have some serious issues with them. I don't think you want people to succeed and work for what they have. You just want to hand it out. That is not a capitalist society bill, that is a socialist society. Spread that wealth, Bill, spread that wealth.

The top 2% do not support the other 98%. What is your source lol ? They are hoarding Trillions and are NOT creating any jobs. Haven't ypu noticed that the trickle down theory isn't working ? How long should that experiment go on until you see it's not working ? It failed big time. We are suffering the results right now. How many jobs were created after Bush cut taxes to the top 2% ? By the theory, we should be overwelmed with jobs from all of the Bush tax cuts.

The Republicans DO NOT want ANY control of the health industry. At least the democrats are willing to take them on. Vote for a Republican and say goodbye to any chance of regulating the monopolized health insurance system. And make sure those that can't afford a doctor will never see a doctor until they are so sick they go to the hospital emergency where WE pay for it with higher prices...


First, why have heath care reform?




Everybody agrees our health care system is broken.
The U.S. has a complicated health care system of insurance, doctors, and patients. If you go to the doctor in America, you have to pay the doctor, the insurance company, and fight about who pays who and how much.
American has the most expensive health care system in the world, yet ranks 37 in the world in health care performance and 72 in world in overall level of national health. (World Health Organization, 2000)
Health care costs are rising three times the rate of wages, so people are unable to keep up with the cost of keeping healthy.
The U.S. does not have universal health care, so people who can not afford insurance can not go to a doctor because they can’t afford it.
The health insurance industry needs serious reform. Health insurance is a business in the U.S., so companies will raise prices on people who are expensive to insure and kick people off health insurance rolls if they become to expensive too keep healthy.


Obama's Health Care Plan Summarized


Cover all Americans with health insurance by requiring employers to provide health insurance to their employees. Mandating all children have health insurance.
Allow workers to keep their employer-provided health insurance if they lose their job (or in between jobs).
Outlaw the practice of insurance companies rejecting people because of pre-existing health conditions. And make insurance premiums the same for everybody regardless of health status.
Provide a one-stop marketplace, called National Health Insurance Exchange, for customers to compare and shop for insurance plans.
Have a government run “public” health insurance option to provide low-cost, affordable health insurance for everybody, spur competition.
Read the full plan here: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/H ... llPlan.pdf



Frank, do you see the word "OPTION" ion there ?

Who do you know from Canada? Can I talk to them ?

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We don't want more government.

How would having access to doctors for everyone hurt America ?

Having access to doctors is more government under Zerobama's plan. (I just changed the O to 0, as in zero jobs, zero ideas). Where do we get this magic funding for Zerobama care?

Taxing the top 2% at 100% tax rate would only run this bloated, corrupt government for about 140 days. So stop saying tax the rich, there is not enough money there, and it totally ignores the fact of what will happen if we take all of the rich's money, who will hire people? Take all of the rich's money and watch the unemployment go to 50%. (Maybe that is what Zerobama wants, who knows?)

[Hawk]

We don't want more government.

How would having access to doctors for everyone hurt America ?

Having access to doctors is more government under Zerobama's plan. (I just changed the O to 0, as in zero jobs, zero ideas). Where do we get this magic funding for Zerobama care?

Taxing the top 2% at 100% tax rate would only run this bloated, corrupt government for about 140 days. So stop saying tax the rich, there is not enough money there, and it totally ignores the fact of what will happen if we take all of the rich's money, who will hire people? Take all of the rich's money and watch the unemployment go to 50%. (Maybe that is what Zerobama wants, who knows?)

How many Trillions to our government has Bush tax cuts cost us ? Yet the funny thing is that they were getting richer under Reagan.

Why do you have such difficulty discussing politics without inserting stupid insults. Do you feel so damn inept that you have to hide behind failed attempts at being clever ? The "Zero" would be the guy who wants all narcotics / hard drugs made legal. Yet wants anyone who was once addicted to never drive again. LOL That's not an insult, just making light of the hypocrisy you stand for...

[Banned]

How many Trillions to our government has Bush tax cuts cost us ?

None. Any taxes not paid to the government is money saved by private American citizens. The money the government steals is originally private US citizens' money. For you to even phrase a question like that implies that you believe that all money in this country belongs to the government. Quite a fascist belief.

The usurper in the White House has zero ideas and zero job growth. Zerobama is quite a fitting name. If you are insulted by it, that is your fault.

[Hawk]

How many Trillions to our government has Bush tax cuts cost us ?

None. Any taxes not paid to the government is money saved by private American citizens. The money the government steals is originally private US citizens' money. For you to even phrase a question like that implies that you believe that all money in this country belongs to the government. Quite a fascist belief.

The usurper in the White House has zero ideas and zero job growth. Zerobama is quite a fitting name. If you are insulted by it, that is your fault.

I know your idea is to starve the federal government into submission. If you notice, only the middle class will suffer under this foolish experiment. And Libertarianism is still fantasy land...

[Merge]

The federal govt doesn't have a "revenue" problem. They have a "spending" problem.

[Banned]

How many Trillions to our government has Bush tax cuts cost us ?

None. Any taxes not paid to the government is money saved by private American citizens. The money the government steals is originally private US citizens' money. For you to even phrase a question like that implies that you believe that all money in this country belongs to the government. Quite a fascist belief.

The usurper in the White House has zero ideas and zero job growth. Zerobama is quite a fitting name. If you are insulted by it, that is your fault.

I know your idea is to starve the federal government into submission. If you notice, only the middle class will suffer under this foolish experiment. And Libertarianism is still fantasy land...

What do you call someone who thinks it is suffering when you keep more of your money instead of the government? ? ? Who really lives is fantasy land? In your Marxist fantasy, the government having dibbs on your money is normal I guess.

[Hawk]

None. Any taxes not paid to the government is money saved by private American citizens. The money the government steals is originally private US citizens' money. For you to even phrase a question like that implies that you believe that all money in this country belongs to the government. Quite a fascist belief.

The usurper in the White House has zero ideas and zero job growth. Zerobama is quite a fitting name. If you are insulted by it, that is your fault.

I know your idea is to starve the federal government into submission. If you notice, only the middle class will suffer under this foolish experiment. And Libertarianism is still fantasy land...

What do you call someone who thinks it is suffering when you keep more of your money instead of the government? ? ? Who really lives is fantasy land? In your Marxist fantasy, the government having dibbs on your money is normal I guess.

Capitalism subsidising some social projects is not Marxism. Shows how stupid you are...again.

Capitalism subsidising some social projects is the American way. If you don't like it, leave it...

Your world of legal hard drugs and racial discrimination is bizarre and your fantasy. Not what the American people want Joe.

As I have said many times, most Americans believe things like the FDA, EPA, CIA, FBI, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Consumer protection agency, ETC. are necessary. You are in the minority. If you believe that majority rules then you have to accept it. Remember when you thought the polls should be obeyed. I do.

[Hawk]

I asked this before but I don't remember getting opinions from all of you opinionated Rockpagers from the right.

What is your opinion of the super pack money ?

[Banned]

Bill, there are very recent polls that show the vast majority of Americans feel that this government does not represent their America. I posted it, go find it if you want. Should the majority of Americans leave the country because your corrupt, fascist government has ruined the country????

All those agencies started out as maybe a little bit needed. But the nature of bureaucracies is that they grow way out of proportion to what they were set up to do. Then they get in the way of the private economy. Hence that is why our economy is in the shitter.

[Banned]

Bill, you said you believe in majority rule. What happens when only 19% of Americans feel Zerobama is leading the country in the right track???? Should the 81% against the president leave the country, or maybe get rid of worst president in history???

So face some facts, this bozo will not get reelected. Which candidate now running against him do you prefer?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns ... mYnaWqZiuI

[Hawk]

Bill, you said you believe in majority rule. What happens when only 19% of Americans feel Zerobama is leading the country in the right track???? Should the 81% against the president leave the country, or maybe get rid of worst president in history???

So face some facts, this bozo will not get reelected. Which candidate now running against him do you prefer?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns ... mYnaWqZiuI

I never said I believe in majority rules. Show me where I said that. You are the one who quotes polls and thinks that government should do what they say. That IS NOT how the constitution is written and it IS NOT how our founding fathers conceived the constitution.

I make fun of people like you who want the government to be run by polls YOU favor. But you and Limbaugh ignore polls that disagree with you.

Being ruled by a majority would be the same as being ruled by a tyrant.


The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses"), used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, is a criticism of the scenario in which decisions made by a majority under that system would place that majority's interests so far above a dissenting individual's interest that the individual would be actively oppressed, just like the oppression by tyrants and despots.


" He (James Madison) saw direct democracy as a danger to individual rights and advocated a representative democracy in order to protect what he viewed as individual liberty from majority rule, or from the effects of such inequality within society. He says, "A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

[f.sciarrillo]

So you are saying that Gallup is wrong, Bill? Even if it is the one that all the news shows and news radio shows, whether they are left or right, use? What polls do you go by, bill?

[Hawk]

So you are saying that Gallup is wrong, Bill? Even if it is the one that all the news shows and news radio shows, whether they are left or right, use? What polls do you go by, bill?

Are you that stupid or didn't you read what I said ?

I didn't comment on any particular poll. I said the government is not and should not be run by polls.

Do polls serve a purpose, perhaps.

[Banned]

As I have said many times, most Americans believe things like the FDA, EPA, CIA, FBI, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Consumer protection agency, ETC. are necessary.

So you post that most Americans think those things are necessary. Isn't that just like quoting a poll? It seems you can use a majority of people believing a certain way but no one else can.

BTW, you asked if I was stupid. When I try to explain things to a government fascist, I guess that is stupid behavior. You will never learn anything.

[Merge]

That's it, guys, reduce this debate to name calling. Let's show all the outsiders what Rockpage is all about.

The difference between Liberals and Conservatives: Liberals go to bed at night thinking of ways to save the world, and Conservatives (myself included) go to bed at night knowing that Liberals don't have a prayer.

[f.sciarrillo]

Did anyone hear Hoffa's speech? What ever happen to the left pushing civility? Oh right, I forgot, they are only civil to their own kind.

[Merge]

I did hear some of his speech. It's nice to see the party of tolerance preaching civility.

[Hawk]

Did anyone hear Hoffa's speech? What ever happen to the left pushing civility? Oh right, I forgot, they are only civil to their own kind.

Yep, heard it on Limbaugh. He even had a caller who supports Limbaugh, complain it was edited out of context. LOL Limbaugh tried to explain why he had to edit it. Seems his audience can't listen to anything over 30 seconds long or he looses them.

[Hawk]

As I have said many times, most Americans believe things like the FDA, EPA, CIA, FBI, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Consumer protection agency, ETC. are necessary.

So you post that most Americans think those things are necessary. Isn't that just like quoting a poll? It seems you can use a majority of people believing a certain way but no one else can.

BTW, you asked if I was stupid. When I try to explain things to a government fascist, I guess that is stupid behavior. You will never learn anything.

Joe, I know YOU like whatever the majority wants. You do don't you ? That's why I said that.

I asked if Frank if he was that stupid. I believe I have called your comments stupid and your support of race based discrimination stupid and your idea of legalizing hard drugs stupid etc., but I don't remember calling you stupid.

I stand by what I say. You may be smart, but you have fallen into some fantasy where the world should revolve around the land owner. That is exactly what James Madison was referring to in Federalist paper #8 and the fear that the land owner would have too much power. Hence his suggestion for a representative form of government. Now let me see you call our founding fathers facists...

[f.sciarrillo]

Did anyone hear Hoffa's speech? What ever happen to the left pushing civility? Oh right, I forgot, they are only civil to their own kind.

Yep, heard it on Limbaugh. He even had a caller who supports Limbaugh, complain it was edited out of context. LOL Limbaugh tried to explain why he had to edit it. Seems his audience can't listen to anything over 30 seconds long or he looses them.

Yeah, that speech was nothing but hate spewed and intolerant dialog. Of course Barry didn't do anything about it. Seeing that he is the most classless president in US history. If there was someone from the right who gave that exact speech, all the liberal media outlets would be crucifying them.

The left wouldn't know civility or tolerance if it fell from the sky, landed on their face, and wiggled.

[Hawk]

Did anyone hear Hoffa's speech? What ever happen to the left pushing civility? Oh right, I forgot, they are only civil to their own kind.

Yep, heard it on Limbaugh. He even had a caller who supports Limbaugh, complain it was edited out of context. LOL Limbaugh tried to explain why he had to edit it. Seems his audience can't listen to anything over 30 seconds long or he looses them.

Yeah, that speech was nothing but hate spewed and intolerant dialog. Of course Barry didn't do anything about it. Seeing that he is the most classless president in US history. If there was someone from the right who gave that exact speech, all the liberal media outlets would be crucifying them.

The left wouldn't know civility or tolerance if it fell from the sky, landed on their face, and wiggled.

The president's job is to comment on a union leader's speech ? LOL And you watch all major network channels and know no one covered it ? LOL

[Hawk]

Did anyone hear Hoffa's speech? What ever happen to the left pushing civility? Oh right, I forgot, they are only civil to their own kind.

Yep, heard it on Limbaugh. He even had a caller who supports Limbaugh, complain it was edited out of context. LOL Limbaugh tried to explain why he had to edit it. Seems his audience can't listen to anything over 30 seconds long or he looses them.

Yeah, that speech was nothing but hate spewed and intolerant dialog. Of course Barry didn't do anything about it. Seeing that he is the most classless president in US history. If there was someone from the right who gave that exact speech, all the liberal media outlets would be crucifying them.

The left wouldn't know civility or tolerance if it fell from the sky, landed on their face, and wiggled.

Frank you got fooled again. Not suprising though. Have you heard the whole speech ? If not, then where do you get your info ? I just hate idiots that get fooled so easily.

Right-wing bloggers misled by dishonest Fox News video editing are attacking Teamsters President James Hoffa for supposedly urging violence against Tea Party activists during a Labor Day speech. Conservatives are also attacking President Obama, who appeared at the event, for "sanctioning violence against fellow Americans" by failing to denounce Hoffa. But fuller context included in other Fox segments makes clear that Hoffa wasn't calling for violence but was actually urging the crowd to vote out Republican members of Congress.

[f.sciarrillo]

That doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter what MSNBC says. They will side with him anyway. Palin gave a speech about targeting the left to vote them out and look what happen to her. Hoffa makes a hate speech calling people sons of bitches and calling for a fight against anyone who is against them and gets nothing. There is a double standard, and you can't tell me otherwise.