Legalize the herb

[shredder138]

Are we still talking about herb here? Stealing, robbing, fencing? If you're gonna do that, you'll do it without the herb. Yes, douchebags should be arrested after they do something fucking stupid. Isnt' that how it should work?

[sstuckey]

Are you going to form the thought police? Lets arrest anyone who even thinks of doing something wrong. Maybe we should put them away because they MIGHT think of some wrong actions.

thats' naive of you to think that the very real fact of drug addiction doesn't fuel crime..all kinds of crime burglery, robery, stealing inc CAPITAL crime.

these addicts don't work for most part so how do you think they will support their habit?

uh stealing, robbing, fencing and whatever.

when was the last time a drunk robbed a bank for $ for anothe 40?? he's too drunk

Dude I think you are confusing pot with heroin or meth.

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Are you going to form the thought police? Lets arrest anyone who even thinks of doing something wrong. Maybe we should put them away because they MIGHT think of some wrong actions.

thats' naive of you to think that the very real fact of drug addiction doesn't fuel crime..all kinds of crime burglery, robery, stealing inc CAPITAL crime.

these addicts don't work for most part so how do you think they will support their habit?

uh stealing, robbing, fencing and whatever.

when was the last time a drunk robbed a bank for $ for anothe 40?? he's too drunk

Alcohol is affordable. Oxy costs up to $80 a pill on the street. If the drugs were decriminalized, the costs would go way, way down. They would not do anything different than alcoholics do now. It would get rid of the huge profits in drug dealing, so gangs would lose most of the reason to exist, deal drugs for big money. Less crime overall, less people in jail for having a joint of them for the 3rd time, huge savings for all the tax payers. It is a win-win-win situation all around.

[lonewolf]

Of course, everything that everybody is claiming here is pure speculation.

You are all making 2 assumptions that I would never make:

1) People --especially substance abusers-- would be predictable.
2) Government would be competent instead of political.

[Banned]

Are you going to form the thought police? Lets arrest anyone who even thinks of doing something wrong. Maybe we should put them away because they MIGHT think of some wrong actions.

thats' naive of you to think that the very real fact of drug addiction doesn't fuel crime..all kinds of crime burglery, robery, stealing inc CAPITAL crime.

these addicts don't work for most part so how do you think they will support their habit?

uh stealing, robbing, fencing and whatever.

when was the last time a drunk robbed a bank for $ for anothe 40?? he's too drunk

Alcohol is affordable. Oxy costs up to $80 a pill on the street. If the drugs were decriminalized, the costs would go way, way down. They would not do anything different than alcoholics do now. It would get rid of the huge profits in drug dealing, so gangs would lose most of the reason to exist, deal drugs for big money. Less crime overall, less people in jail for having a joint of them for the 3rd time, huge savings for all the tax payers. It is a win-win-win situation all around.

win win for ho?

[Banned]

Less crime, less people in jail for non-crimes and savings to taxpayers. Who benefits? Come on.

[Banned]

Less crime, less people in jail for non-crimes and savings to taxpayers. Who benefits? Come on.

i think we are on the verge of decriminalizing it at least for medical purpose don't you?

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"The Justice Department and the Obama administration appear to have backtracked on early promises to respect state medical marijuana laws, opening the door for more federal raids on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/01/justi ... ana-raids/

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"The Justice Department and the Obama administration appear to have backtracked on early promises to respect state medical marijuana laws, opening the door for more federal raids on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/01/justi ... ana-raids/

well, most people do NOT want the herb legalized. You can't blame them for respecting the wishes of the majority.

the question is what purpose would it serve society to legalize another substance that has no medicinal purposes? a substance with the sole purpose of altering the perception of reality and skewing prudent judgement.Now you got people toking up in cars..trucks etc because its legal. do you want to add to the DUI's?

Theres some real issues here and real concerns, some you act like its nothing. ITS A BIG DEAL putting another legal drug on the street!

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"The Justice Department and the Obama administration appear to have backtracked on early promises to respect state medical marijuana laws, opening the door for more federal raids on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/01/justi ... ana-raids/

well, most people do NOT want the herb legalized. You can't blame them for respecting the wishes of the majority.

the question is what purpose would it serve society to legalize another substance that has no medicinal purposes? a substance with the sole purpose of altering the perception of reality and skewing prudent judgement.Now you got people toking up in cars..trucks etc because its legal. do you want to add to the DUI's?

Theres some real issues here and real concerns, some you act like its nothing. ITS A BIG DEAL putting another legal drug on the street!

Making drug taking illegal is a very modern thing. How did the human race make it for millennium without all those drug laws?

Most people want the budget balanced and undeclared wars stopped. Why aren't "they" respecting the wishes of the majority? "They" do what ever they want.

[sstuckey]

"The Justice Department and the Obama administration appear to have backtracked on early promises to respect state medical marijuana laws, opening the door for more federal raids on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/01/justi ... ana-raids/

well, most people do NOT want the herb legalized. You can't blame them for respecting the wishes of the majority.

the question is what purpose would it serve society to legalize another substance that has no medicinal purposes? a substance with the sole purpose of altering the perception of reality and skewing prudent judgement.Now you got people toking up in cars..trucks etc because its legal. do you want to add to the DUI's?

Theres some real issues here and real concerns, some you act like its nothing. ITS A BIG DEAL putting another legal drug on the street!

Where are you getting your information from? MOST people don't want it legalized? Based on this website alone I'm seeing alot more pro-pot people than anti-pot people. But I guess that's because pot smokers are all unemployed useless members of society, and have nothing better to do with their clouded minds than get on rockpage? That is of course when they aren't busy knocking over banks, and robbing old ladies of their social security checks to buy that next joint. C'mon dude, is there any REAL logic with your posts? Your perception of what pot smokers are really like is way off the mark man.

[Banned]

"The Justice Department and the Obama administration appear to have backtracked on early promises to respect state medical marijuana laws, opening the door for more federal raids on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/01/justi ... ana-raids/

well, most people do NOT want the herb legalized. You can't blame them for respecting the wishes of the majority.

the question is what purpose would it serve society to legalize another substance that has no medicinal purposes? a substance with the sole purpose of altering the perception of reality and skewing prudent judgement.Now you got people toking up in cars..trucks etc because its legal. do you want to add to the DUI's?

Theres some real issues here and real concerns, some you act like its nothing. ITS A BIG DEAL putting another legal drug on the street!

Where are you getting your information from? MOST people don't want it legalized? Based on this website alone I'm seeing alot more pro-pot people than anti-pot people. But I guess that's because pot smokers are all unemployed useless members of society, and have nothing better to do with their clouded minds than get on rockpage? That is of course when they aren't busy knocking over banks, and robbing old ladies of their social security checks to buy that next joint. C'mon dude, is there any REAL logic with your posts? Your perception of what pot smokers are really like is way off the mark man.

I'll say it again, most people do not want it legalized. Most do not smoke it. Surprise! Most are against recreational drug use of any kind. Herb use is by a very small part of the population at large. Those on this website is not representative of the avg citizen.

[bassist_25]

Most people have a deep seated desire to engage in S&M. Most people are closet Vanilla Ice fans. Most people know that Bobby Watters is a local drum god (Okay, that one is pretty true). I wish the people I'm accountable to let me make conjectures based on no statistical or empirical evidence and pass if off as truth. It would make my life a whole helluva lot easier.

But let's go straight to the horse's mouth:

http://www.pollingreport.com/drugs.htm

According to most of those polls, there is a slight majority opposed to legalizing marijuana. Granted, there aren't methodologies posted with these polls, so there could be some internal and external validity problems; but we'll take them at face value. Also, depending on the level of confidence interval used, the number of opposed could actually be lower.

Like I said, arguing with no surrender = dick slammed in door. It's gonna hurt to pee for a couple of hours.

[sstuckey]

Most people have a deep seated desire to engage in S&M. Most people are closet Vanilla Ice fans. Most people know that Bobby Watters is a local drum god (Okay, that one is pretty true). I wish the people I'm accountable to let me make conjectures based on no statistical or empirical evidence and pass if off as truth. It would make my life a whole helluva lot easier.

But let's go straight to the horse's mouth:

http://www.pollingreport.com/drugs.htm

According to most of those polls, there is a slight majority opposed to legalizing marijuana. Granted, there aren't methodologies posted with these polls, so there could be some internal and external validity problems; but we'll take them at face value. Also, depending on the level of confidence interval used, the number of opposed could actually be lower.

Like I said, arguing with no surrender = dick slammed in door. It's gonna hurt to pee for a couple of hours.

So basically what you are saying is... I'm having a battle of wits, with an unarmed man?

[bassist_25]

So basically what you are saying is... I'm having a battle of wits, with an unarmed man?

Diggity.

Though it's generally believed that no surrender is female.

[lonewolf]

Paul, there's one poll on your link that the sampled people didn't seem to think through and that's whether crime would go down.

Of course it would go down...by as many convictions for herb offenses as there presently are. I guess its all in the delivery of the question. A seemingly clear cut question can have gaping holes in it when asked in a different manner....of course, you know that. Which bias is that?

[bassist_25]

I'm not sure if it's a bias, but rather a problem with survey construction and construct validity. You sometimes see those types of problems with political surveys, think tank research, and anything that's trying to push an agenda. Usually, those types of metrics aren't put through a validity vetting process.

Also, with those surveys posted, often when they were broken down to include other demographic information, such as political affliation, there were very clear effects related to disposition, which I suspect would be statistically significant. If your data collection is sound, you could dump all of that into a regression model and predict who would support such legislation, based on all kinds of variables.

[Banned]

Most people have a deep seated desire to engage in S&M. Most people are closet Vanilla Ice fans. Most people know that Bobby Watters is a local drum god (Okay, that one is pretty true). I wish the people I'm accountable to let me make conjectures based on no statistical or empirical evidence and pass if off as truth. It would make my life a whole helluva lot easier.

But let's go straight to the horse's mouth:

http://www.pollingreport.com/drugs.htm

According to most of those polls, there is a slight majority opposed to legalizing marijuana. Granted, there aren't methodologies posted with these polls, so there could be some internal and external validity problems; but we'll take them at face value. Also, depending on the level of confidence interval used, the number of opposed could actually be lower.

Like I said, arguing with no surrender = dick slammed in door. It's gonna hurt to pee for a couple of hours.

uhh the # of "for" could also be lower. by your "logic"

thanks for proving the point.

[bassist_25]

uhh the # of "for" could also be lower. by your "logic"

I thought that was implied.

thanks for proving the point.

The difference is I didn't pull it out of my ass.

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uhh the # of "for" could also be lower. by your "logic"

I thought that was implied.

thanks for proving the point.

The difference is I didn't pull it out of my ass.

i already knew it.

everyone is against drugs, except those using. what cave you living in?

[bassist_25]

Uh huh, that's why you expected us to take your word for it.

everyone is against drugs, except those using. what cave you living in?

Making another unfounded conjecture again, I see. Some people hold ideals, such as personal freedom, as paramount to how others actually excercise that freedom. That's like saying that if you don't eat steak, then you must be against others eating steak.

[Banned]

Uh huh, that's why you expected us to take your word for it.

everyone is against drugs, except those using. what cave you living in?

Making another unfounded conjecture again, I see. Some people hold ideals, such as personal freedom, as paramount to how others actually excercise that freedom. That's like saying that if you don't eat steak, then you must be against others eating steak.

ya, that;'s right cave dweller vegans don't want you or me to eat steak. or hamburger, chicken, fish. anything with a face

teetotalers don't want the "blue laws" changed ether.

thanks for making my point for me. now TOKE UP DUDE hah

[bassist_25]

Proved you're point for you? I'll be honest. I liked your LAZERS and EN_ER_GY persona a bit more than your pseudo-intellectual persona where you attempt to make some rambling point and then pretend that it's a real profound insight. Calling it sophistry would be elevating it to more than what it is. I'm surrounded by real intellectuals on a daily basis, many whom are Ivy League educated. Now I don't believe that makes me better than anyone else; but if you pretend to be something you're not, I'm going to have to call you out on it.

Oh, and you're welcome to come drug test me, since you assume I'm a stoner.

[Banned]

Proved you're point for you? I'll be honest. I liked your LAZERS and EN_ER_GY persona a bit more than your pseudo-intellectual persona where you attempt to make some rambling point and then pretend that it's a real profound insight. Calling it sophistry would be elevating it to more than what it is. I'm surrounded by real intellectuals on a daily basis, many whom are Ivy League educated. Now I don't believe that makes me better than anyone else; but if you pretend to be something you're not, I'm going to have to call you out on it.

Oh, and you're welcome to come drug test me, since you assume I'm a stoner.

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Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal

Drug warriors often contend that drug use would skyrocket if we were to legalize or decriminalize drugs in the United States. Fortunately, we have a real-world example of the actual effects of ending the violent, expensive War on Drugs and replacing it with a system of treatment for problem users and addicts.

Ten years ago, Portugal decriminalized all drugs. One decade after this unprecedented experiment, drug abuse is down by half:

Health experts in Portugal said Friday that Portugal’s decision 10 years ago to decriminalise drug use and treat addicts rather than punishing them is an experiment that has worked.

http://breakthematrix.com/health/ten-ye ... -portugal/