florida drug test for welfare recipiants

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Saturday Jun 11, 2011

Article:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-05/poli ... M:POLITICS

Thoughts?

RamRod 1 · Post by **RamRod 1** » Saturday Jun 11, 2011

Well then they're not allow to drink either.

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Saturday Jun 11, 2011

I have a CDL so I am subject to random tests. They say Random but I seem to get at leat 3 times the other guys at work........?????????? Not sure what Kinda government list I'm on but I really seem to get some special treatment in this department.
Anyway, I'm working and I gotta take a test. My taxes are paying for welfare recpients. If anything is unconstitutional its me being tested.
I say its not unconstitutional, you are not forced to take the test and you are not forced to accept welfare. If you wanna use do it on your dime not mine.
Get a job, pay your own way and smoke a fatty on the weekend, I'm fine with that. Ya wanna be a bum ? I don't wanna pay for it.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

What happens when they fail ? What happens to their family when they fail ?

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Hawk wrote:What happens when they fail ? What happens to their family when they fail ?

What happened to my grandparents when they were poor during the great depression and had no welfare? The problem is, too many people are programmed into thinking that government is there to do everything for you. You gotta find work, I'm not saying it's easy, but there's always a way to make a dime. The drug testing thing is a great thing because there are too many people who abuse the system to get high. I know soo many people that sold drugs and collected from the government even though they had plenty of money... The system is broken, we can't afford it, and it will only lead to a bigger economical mess.... Sorry for rambling.

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Hawk wrote:What happens when they fail ? What happens to their family when they fail ?

It's called having responsibilities. I have a CDL also and I gotta behave 24/7,if I don't they can pull my license,you know,take my lively hood,and no one would take a second look. Most of these welfare people are on it for the free ride,you know...make lots of kids to get more money. People that need to use it for the right reasons never can get it.

tonefight · Post by **tonefight** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Don't get my earlier opinion wrong, I'm fine with the Gov. having a safety net for people that run into a hard time, and I'm also understand that there are people out there that are not capable either mentally or physically, I'm fine with that too.

However I do know that most of the assistance money is abused and gotta find a way to stop that.

I read somewhere years ago that 5% of our taxes go to welfare wich isn't alot. I'd actually like to compare that to what percentage goes to politician salaries and benefits.
However I'd rather see the people pulling money off the tax base put money into the tax base if they are capable.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

tonefight wrote:Don't get my earlier opinion wrong, I'm fine with the Gov. having a safety net for people that run into a hard time, and I'm also understand that there are people out there that are not capable either mentally or physically, I'm fine with that too.

However I do know that most of the assistance money is abused and gotta find a way to stop that.

I read somewhere years ago that 5% of our taxes go to welfare wich isn't alot. I'd actually like to compare that to what percentage goes to politician salaries and benefits.
However I'd rather see the people pulling money off the tax base put money into the tax base if they are capable.

+1

autumnsky · Post by **autumnsky** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Why do some "loser-slackers" get to lay around their "cribs" all day and shit out a kid every nine months, while hiding their crackhead, drug dealing, from out of state boyfriend, while the rest of us have to work, pay taxes, take piss tests, and struggle to get by---legally? This area seens to have too many people who can do everyhing but WORK for a living!!! Test 'em all!!!

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

There are some great points here. I agree with alot that was said.
BUT...like with everything....There are good arguments for both sides if we are speaking in this reality and not some fucked up alternate universe. Im pretty against certain govt actions.

On a side note, Some interesting masked racist comments though. hey autumnsky, Im pretty sure we know the word you wanted to use when you said "loser-slackers".

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

RobTheDrummer wrote:
Hawk wrote:What happens when they fail ? What happens to their family when they fail ?
What happened to my grandparents when they were poor during the great depression and had no welfare? The problem is, too many people are programmed into thinking that government is there to do everything for you. You gotta find work, I'm not saying it's easy, but there's always a way to make a dime. The drug testing thing is a great thing because there are too many people who abuse the system to get high. I know soo many people that sold drugs and collected from the government even though they had plenty of money... The system is broken, we can't afford it, and it will only lead to a bigger economical mess.... Sorry for rambling.

I'm for getting rid of the people who cheat the system. I'm just asking "what happens" ?

Should the children suffer because one parent smokes a little weed ? I don't know...

I do expect the crime rate to rise along with gang related crimes because that will become their only income source. Then you need to increase spending on policing those idiots...

I'm not sticking up for them by any means, I'm just trying to draw some conclusions as to what will happen when they're cut off.

Will the mentally and/or physically disabled be cut off for smoking a little weed ?

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Hawk wrote:
RobTheDrummer wrote:
Hawk wrote:What happens when they fail ? What happens to their family when they fail ?
What happened to my grandparents when they were poor during the great depression and had no welfare? The problem is, too many people are programmed into thinking that government is there to do everything for you. You gotta find work, I'm not saying it's easy, but there's always a way to make a dime. The drug testing thing is a great thing because there are too many people who abuse the system to get high. I know soo many people that sold drugs and collected from the government even though they had plenty of money... The system is broken, we can't afford it, and it will only lead to a bigger economical mess.... Sorry for rambling.
I'm for getting rid of the people who cheat the system. I'm just asking "what happens" ?

Should the children suffer because one parent smokes a little weed ? I don't know...

I do expect the crime rate to rise along with gang related crimes because that will become their only income source. Then you need to increase spending on policing those idiots...

I'm not sticking up for them by any means, I'm just trying to draw some conclusions as to what will happen when they're cut off.

Will the mentally and/or physically disabled be cut off for smoking a little weed ?

I believe that the article said that the parents that fail can name a benificiary to receive for the children. Not to mention that this law only applies to recipients of cash assistance, not food stamps. And bill, its called responsibilty. If you have kids and no job, smoking a joint shouldnt be your main priority. Dont get me started on needle using junkies. You read the mirror's front page yesterday? Wonder if those people were on welfare. Shouldnt have children anyway.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

I say it is about time. I wish PA would do something like that. That main reason I say that is because there are a number of people who use welfare as a career. So, if I have to take a drug test for my job, they should have to do the same. I like the random thing, although they shouldn't do a urine test, but a hair follicle test.

If you are worried about medical drugs. All they have to do is let them know what prescriptions they are taking. You have to do it for your job, so you can do it for that as well.

I'm not sure how the offenses work? What do they do if the fail? Do they force them to get help and not allow another failure, or do they kick them off for the first offense?

Something else they should do is make a crime mandate. If anyone in the house of a welfare recipient commits a felony, kick them off. That goes for the whether it is the parents or kids.

autumnsky · Post by **autumnsky** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Actually, I wasn't referring to any race or ethnic background in particular, but people who just don't have any ethics in general. I personally know and know of people receiving some type of government assistance for basically doing nothing, even when they are physically and mentally able to work, or contribute to society. They have plenty of extra activities that if you were REALLY disabled, you wouldn't be able to do.
As far as smoking a little weed? If you're whole world revolves around getting high and nothing else, why should hard working tax payers have to pay for your fix?

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Drug tests = bad idea. I'm not a fan of the Welfare system at all, but I don't think the whole War on Drugs thing is any better. Violating people's privacy sets a pretty bad precedent that can be abused in even worse ways later. Two wrongs do not make a right.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Gallowglass wrote:Drug tests = bad idea. I'm not a fan of the Welfare system at all, but I don't think the whole War on Drugs thing is any better. Violating people's privacy sets a pretty bad precedent that can be abused in even worse ways later. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Exactly.

autumnsky · Post by **autumnsky** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

I'm just guessing, but I think if we polled the ages of everyone contributing to this discussion, the majority of you against the drug testing, thinking it's a violation of your privacy, haven't been around more than 20 or 30 years. I grew up in the so-called "hippie" era, where if you hadn't smoked it, smelled it, or saw it, you were living in a cave. But it just seems like "illegal drugs" are having a bigger negative impact now, than in other generations!

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

autumnsky wrote:I'm just guessing, but I think if we polled the ages of everyone contributing to this discussion, the majority of you against the drug testing, thinking it's a violation of your privacy, haven't been around more than 20 or 30 years. I grew up in the so-called "hippie" era, where if you hadn't smoked it, smelled it, or saw it, you were living in a cave. But it just seems like "illegal drugs" are having a bigger negative impact now, than in other generations!

Do you think there might be a correlation between the bigger negative impact and the increasingly authoritarian approach to drug enforcement? I do.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Gallowglass wrote:Drug tests = bad idea. I'm not a fan of the Welfare system at all, but I don't think the whole War on Drugs thing is any better. Violating people's privacy sets a pretty bad precedent that can be abused in even worse ways later. Two wrongs do not make a right.

There is no two wrongs here. It is the fact that there are people living off the tax payers money who do nothing but sit around shooting up, smoke dope, or snort lines. Welfare is the most abused system and something has to be to done to get the slackers, and abusers, off of it.

So, if they are going to treat it like a career, then they should be drug tested. There is no unconstitutionality about it. There is no invasion of privacy. Do you call needing a drug to get a job invasion of privacy? If you call needing a drug test to get welfare such, then you have to agree that it is to get a job.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Its not a right to get welfare, it's a privilege. There should be requirements, just like any given privilege, and one of those should be drug testing.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Gallowglass wrote:Drug tests = bad idea. I'm not a fan of the Welfare system at all, but I don't think the whole War on Drugs thing is any better. Violating people's privacy sets a pretty bad precedent that can be abused in even worse ways later. Two wrongs do not make a right.
There is no two wrongs here. It is the fact that there are people living off the tax payers money who do nothing but sit around shooting up, smoke dope, or snort lines. Welfare is the most abused system and something has to be to done to get the slackers, and abusers, off of it.

So, if they are going to treat it like a career, then they should be drug tested. There is no unconstitutionality about it. There is no invasion of privacy. Do you call needing a drug to get a job invasion of privacy? If you call needing a drug test to get welfare such, then you have to agree that it is to get a job.

Will you accept the consequences of increased crime ? And will you assume the cost of the increased crime. No Money = go steal / take / etc. some money. I would think that in big cities gang violence will increase as a result as well.

autumnsky · Post by **autumnsky** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

We've already accepted the consequences---it's called prison. Can't understand what people don't get about the word "illegal"?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

autumnsky wrote:We've already accepted the consequences---it's called prison. Can't understand what people don't get about the word "illegal"?

You have to follow the idea through. Prisons are already over crowded. You'll be paying A LOT more in taxes to keep them in jail.

Conservatives always complain about taxes yet find ways to NEED and SPEND more taxes.

Are you a conservative ?

EDIT: If your idea is simply to put people in jail for illegal use of drugs would you suggest everyone be subjected to drug tests ?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

If there was not welfare involved, most of you would not care if people did drugs. So, get rid of welfare benefits for people unwilling to work and no need for this thread.

If all drugs were decriminalized, the prices would go way down. It would also reduce the crime involved with the illegal drug business.

Win win situation. Decriminalize drugs, vastly change welfare. No need to test of drugs since they would not be illegal, and people would not have to dedicate their lives to buying high priced drugs. Reduce welfare and people would have to earn money if they wanted to buy drugs, just like they buy alcohol.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Jun 12, 2011

Hawk wrote:
autumnsky wrote:We've already accepted the consequences---it's called prison. Can't understand what people don't get about the word "illegal"?
You have to follow the idea through. Prisons are already over crowded. You'll be paying A LOT more in taxes to keep them in jail.

Conservatives always complain about taxes yet find ways to NEED and SPEND more taxes. Are you a conservative ?

EDIT: If your idea is simply to put people in jail for illegal use of drugs would you suggest everyone be subjected to drug tests ?

Decriminalizing drugs would free hundreds of thousands from prison, saving taxpayers huge incarceration costs. Billions and over the years saving trillions when you all all those freed citizens now being a contributor to society and the economy.