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[shredder138]

this thread sucks!

It just wouldn't be our beloved rockpage without threads of this nature.

[shredder138]

" after eating an entire bull, a lion felt so good she roared. she roared until a hunter came & shot her. The Moral: when you're full of bull keep your mouth shut!"


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry, that's just too funny.

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[shredder138]

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HA HA, I don't get on here and pretend I know the way out of these political labyrinths with no exit. So I'm sure you weren't implying that I'm full of bull.

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HA HA, I don't get on here and pretend I know the way out of these political labyrinths with no exit. So I'm sure you weren't implying that I'm full of bull.

Not changing the deficit spending year after year has created this mess. A change from the status quo would be better than trying the same thing over and over.

I am for the change. Lets try smaller government. Some on here want the same bloated out of control government deficit spending, and want it actually to get bigger.

So if you don't know the way out, don't criticize those who offer a change from catastrophe. Supporting the people who want more big government is adding to the problem.

[shredder138]

Joe, don't confuse criticism with a little ribbin. I'm just trying to add a little fun to this 20 page thread.

Like I said, I don't pretend to know, and I don't mean to criticize. And believe it or not , I'm on your side with a lot of what you say. I just felt the need to poke a little fun when you guys were spewing out the insults. Cheers.

[songsmith]

[ Some on here want the same bloated out of control government deficit spending, and want it actually to get bigger.
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You mean me? Show me where I said that.

Careful, shredder. You're getting personal. And your posts don't pass muster as far as style and punctuation, either, I bet.

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[ Some on here want the same bloated out of control government deficit spending, and want it actually to get bigger.
.

You mean me? Show me where I said that.

Careful, shredder. You're getting personal. And your posts don't pass muster as far as style and punctuation, either, I bet.

You want more taxes from corporations and the rich. That will make this bloated government bigger. There is money, and either we can keep our money, or the government can take our money. When the government takes our money, they get larger and more powerful.

I think Americans should decide where their money should be spent, not this government. Its track record is pretty bad, as in look at our debt, and economy. You want the government to get that money, especially form the rich and corporations. What have they done to you personally?

[Hawk]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

[songsmith]

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You want more taxes from corporations and the rich. That will make this bloated government bigger. [/quote]

Why does rich people paying taxes equal bigger government? GE paid zero income taxes last year, does that mean gov't got smaller? If that's the case, why are you complaining? Taxes are at the lowest point in your lifetime... government must be at it's smallest, too.
Show me where I said I want bloated gov't spending and bigger gov't.

[Banned]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Prove it, please.

[Banned]

[wink:

You want more taxes from corporations and the rich. That will make this bloated government bigger.

Why does rich people paying taxes equal bigger government? GE paid zero income taxes last year, does that mean gov't got smaller? If that's the case, why are you complaining? Taxes are at the lowest point in your lifetime... government must be at it's smallest, too.
Show me where I said I want bloated gov't spending and bigger gov't.[/quote]

GE got special treatment from the O administration and CEO Immenlt is now an economic adviser to the great O himself.

The more the rich and corporations pay in taxes, the less in the private sector, actually helping the economy.

It is simple, when you call for more taxes, government gets bloated and bigger. Those taxes take money out of the private sector, hurting the economy, and the result is the Obama Depression.

[Hawk]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Prove it, please.

Big Oil ! You're welcome !

[Banned]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Prove it, please.

Big Oil ! You're welcome !

If that post is what you think is a proof, you get and F. You must go to summer school.

[lonewolf]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Yes, I sure would like to see the proof of this new phenomenon.

All this time, I thought inflation was due to the increase of the overall money supply growing faster than GDP. I guess I wasted all that tuition money.

Short term demand for certain products can cause short term price inflation for those particular products (see bubble), but its nothing but a little noise in the overall inflation picture.

I'll tell you what causes bigger and faster product price inflation than anything: government subsidies

Just look at college tuition....try to get a discount on house windows!

How's that 10% ethanol gasoline additive working for ya?

[songsmith]

The more the rich and corporations pay in taxes, the less in the private sector, actually helping the economy.

It is simple, when you call for more taxes, government gets bloated and bigger. Those taxes take money out of the private sector, hurting the economy, and the result is the Obama Depression.[/color]

How exactly does higher taxation make the gov't more "bloated?" What you appear to be saying is that more revenue to pay down the deficit is a bad thing, correct? And can you prove the inverse, that less taxation equals smaller gov't? The tax rates are at their lowest point in over a half-century, yet you still complain that gov't is too large.
Incidentally, perhaps low taxation adds more money to the private sector, as you say... where did that money go, in this time of low tax? Why hasn't this low taxation spurred job growth, as conservatives always promise? The stock market is doing quite well, Big Business is said to have 2 trillion in capital they're not doing anything with. Why?

[Banned]

The more the rich and corporations pay in taxes, the less in the private sector, actually helping the economy.

It is simple, when you call for more taxes, government gets bloated and bigger. Those taxes take money out of the private sector, hurting the economy, and the result is the Obama Depression.[/color]

How exactly does higher taxation make the gov't more "bloated?" What you appear to be saying is that more revenue to pay down the deficit is a bad thing, correct? And can you prove the inverse, that less taxation equals smaller gov't? The tax rates are at their lowest point in over a half-century, yet you still complain that gov't is too large.
Incidentally, perhaps low taxation adds more money to the private sector, as you say... where did that money go, in this time of low tax? Why hasn't this low taxation spurred job growth, as conservatives always promise? The stock market is doing quite well, Big Business is said to have 2 trillion in capital they're not doing anything with. Why?

You talk about paying down the deficit. Do you know your beloved O proposed a $1.6 Trillion deficit for this year, knowing the debt is over 14 TRILLION? Jeeeze.

Its quite self evident, if the government gets starved of taxes, it will have to get smaller.

The stock market is just coming off a 6 day sell off. How can you call that "doing quite well"?

'Job growth spurring' talk during this administration is quite funny. This administration is leading us to another Great Depression, a recent CNN survey shows that 48% of Americans think so. Never have so many Americans ever thought that since the actual Great Depression.

Why would any business risk capital when they know the greedy O wants to raise taxes on the rich and corporations?

[Hawk]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Yes, I sure would like to see the proof of this new phenomenon.

All this time, I thought inflation was due to the increase of the overall money supply growing faster than GDP. I guess I wasted all that tuition money.

Short term demand for certain products can cause short term price inflation for those particular products (see bubble), but its nothing but a little noise in the overall inflation picture.

I'll tell you what causes bigger and faster product price inflation than anything: government subsidies

Just look at college tuition....try to get a discount on house windows!

How's that 10% ethanol gasoline additive working for ya?

A price is set relative to whatever the market will bear. I know the background of many companies (and I've been taught by men in business - not school teachers) and that is standard policy. More money in every one's pocket means the market can / will bare higher prices. Sorry you waisted your tuition money. Add to that, that Joe wants no regulations on anyone and see what a monopoly can do to you...

[lonewolf]

Joe, if everyone has more money, (50% given their taxes are cut by 50%) inflation will rise in a parallel fashion. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Yes, I sure would like to see the proof of this new phenomenon.

All this time, I thought inflation was due to the increase of the overall money supply growing faster than GDP. I guess I wasted all that tuition money.

Short term demand for certain products can cause short term price inflation for those particular products (see bubble), but its nothing but a little noise in the overall inflation picture.

I'll tell you what causes bigger and faster product price inflation than anything: government subsidies

Just look at college tuition....try to get a discount on house windows!

How's that 10% ethanol gasoline additive working for ya?

A price is set relative to whatever the market will bear. I know the background of many companies (and I've been taught by men in business - not school teachers) and that is standard policy. More money in every one's pocket means the market can / will bare higher prices. Sorry you waisted your tuition money. Add to that, that Joe wants no regulations on anyone and see what a monopoly can do to you...

Proof please.

{Inflation is a pretty wide topic, I would expect that there is something about it on the internet.}

I knew you were going to use that "market will BEAR" schtuff (spelled b-e-a-r)...that's why I put the more economically correct version of your explanation in my post with the "short term demand" statement.

[Hawk]

Yes, I sure would like to see the proof of this new phenomenon.

All this time, I thought inflation was due to the increase of the overall money supply growing faster than GDP. I guess I wasted all that tuition money.

Short term demand for certain products can cause short term price inflation for those particular products (see bubble), but its nothing but a little noise in the overall inflation picture.

I'll tell you what causes bigger and faster product price inflation than anything: government subsidies

Just look at college tuition....try to get a discount on house windows!

How's that 10% ethanol gasoline additive working for ya?

A price is set relative to whatever the market will bear. I know the background of many companies (and I've been taught by men in business - not school teachers) and that is standard policy. More money in every one's pocket means the market can / will bare higher prices. Sorry you waisted your tuition money. Add to that, that Joe wants no regulations on anyone and see what a monopoly can do to you...

Proof please.

{Inflation is a pretty wide topic, I would expect that there is something about it on the internet.}

I knew you were going to use that "market will BEAR" schtuff (spelled b-e-a-r)...that's why I put the more economically correct version of your explanation in my post with the "short term demand" statement.

Jeff, I know you're smarter than anyone, but let's take it to the extreme and work backwards. if everyone in the USA were multi-millionaires, do you really think gas would only cost $4.00 a gallon ? You know where I'm going because you are smarter than the rest of us. Do you think anything would cost what it does now...?

Take it down to where everyone has nearly all that they pay in taxes in their own pocket. You are incredibly naive to think every company would leave prices as is if everyone had more spending money.

I don't need to search the Internet. Try researching "common sense" and see if you can find any.

Feel free to correct any spelling... After a second look at my post, I don't think I misspelled BEAR, that's B-E-A-R. One other time I did because we had this discussion before and you had trouble with common sense that time too.

Edited for...spelling

[songsmith]

[The stock market is just coming off a 6 day sell off. How can you call that "doing quite well"?

The dow closed at 12,124.36 today. The peak during Reagan's tenure: 2722.22. per:
http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/histo ... 02000.html

The low Dow score for Obama came shortly after he took office, amid the worst recession since the Great Depression: 7062.93 per:
http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/histo ... a2000.html

Now, as I claimed earlier, today's ending Dow was 12,124.36 This is an increase of 5061.43 points, or about 72% higher than it was at it's low. There was even a rally today.
Isn't that good enough for Joe? Business has PLENTY of money. We don't.

[lonewolf]

Jeff, I know you're smarter than anyone, but let's take it to the extreme and work backwards. if everyone in the USA were multi-millionaires, do you really think gas would only cost $4.00 a gallon ? You know where I'm going because you are smarter than the rest of us.

If I use myself as the example, I think gas would cost less than it does now.

[Hawk]

Semantics (from Greek sēmantiká, neuter plural of sēmantikós)[1][2] is the study of meaning. It focuses on the relation between signifiers, such as words, phrases, signs and symbols, and what they stand for, their denotata.

Perhaps I should have said, "Whatever the market will support" instead of bear.

Come on, try that common sense thing, it can give one amazing insight.

You seem to think that there might be a one month blip. I really don't know how long it will take, could be longer, might be lass than a month.

Here's where common sense takes over. If suddenly everyone had more money and inflation equaled that increase, there is no standard of living benefit because the "blip" took it. In fact now the standard of living would go backwards if Joe has his way, No EPA regulations etc..

[lonewolf]

Feel free to correct any spelling... After a second look at my post, I don't think I misspelled BEAR, that's B-E-A-R. One other time I did because we had this discussion before and you had trouble with common sense that time too.

Edited for...spelling

Yes, I recall that discussion. As with today, you posted nothing then to substantiate your statement and we were all expected to accept your new economic theory as a law of economics, even though nobody seems to have ever heard of this particular axiom.

[Hawk]

Feel free to correct any spelling... After a second look at my post, I don't think I misspelled BEAR, that's B-E-A-R. One other time I did because we had this discussion before and you had trouble with common sense that time too.

Edited for...spelling

Yes, I recall that discussion. As with today, you posted nothing then to substantiate your statement and we were all expected to accept your new economic theory as a law of economics, even though nobody seems to have ever heard of this particular axiom.

I'm telling you I was taught it at a business seminar, but I no longer have the paperwork. But it did open my eyes as to how things work in the real world because these guys were real world business men, not school teachers.

They gave us a program to follow to make it happen so we got the most the market would BEAR - SUPPORT. And explained to us that that is how major business work on a larger scale.