Should Online Poker be illegal?

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

I'm trying to fight for my cause and did it in the wrong thread. I'm trying again in a new one. So tell me.....should online poker be illegal? And why or why not?

If you think it should be legal here's an outlet to have your voice heard.
http://www.onlinepokerpetition.org/

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday May 30, 2011

Not illegal. Decriminalize drugs too. It would destroy the Trillion dollar War on Drugs.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 30, 2011

Online? Offline? It should all be legal. Stop the government fascism now!

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

It is only a multi-billion dollar industry after all. Taxable as well...and imagine that concept. Billions of TAXED dollars, exchanging hands within the borders of our own country. I'll bet with all that money being made and taxed you'd need a couple people to make that happen....would that mean more jobs?? Would making it legal also cost 100% less to enforce the laws currently prohibiting it?

So let me get this right.....billions and billions of dollars.....exchanging hands in our own country....all the while creating more jobs? Yes by all means ban poker!!!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday May 30, 2011

sstuckey wrote:It is only a multi-billion dollar industry after all. Taxable as well...and imagine that concept. Billions of TAXED dollars, exchanging hands within the borders of our own country. I'll bet with all that money being made and taxed you'd need a couple people to make that happen....would that mean more jobs?? Would making it legal also cost 100% less to enforce the laws currently prohibiting it?

So let me get this right.....billions and billions of dollars.....exchanging hands in our own country....all the while creating more jobs? Yes by all means ban poker!!!

Then what would the nannies do? They need to control everything, and if they say its bad for you, they are always right.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday May 30, 2011

How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like.

Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 30, 2011

songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.

Most of your posts go on and on, directionless and pointless; however, I believe that I actually gleaned something from this post.

Johnny, why are you such a government fascist?

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Monday May 30, 2011

Its also a good way to make money for people who are on govt assistance and sit on their asses at home all damn day.

Online poker is not legit job. Never was, and never will be. Sorry dudes.

I do agree that the govt should stay the fuck out of it though. Well, maybe regulate it so the people who are collecting government money already arent able to win/lose all their money in front of their computer playing card games.

Im holding on tight for the GO FISH TOURNAMENTS.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday May 30, 2011

lonewolf wrote:[Most of your posts go on and on, directionless and pointless; however, I believe that I actually gleaned something from this post.

Johnny, why are you such a government fascist?

That's odd, I always thought you had the wherewithall to understand and process more than a few words at a time, and could deal with concepts that didn't sound like they were written on Sarah Palin's hand.
I stand corrected.

I'm not a fascist at all. I don't force religion, or deny patriotism, or promote class warfare. That makes me a non-winger. I want a level playing field, regardless of who your Daddy is, or how much money you make, or how pious you are, because I don't care about those things. I want people to get medical care, an education, and enough to eat, regardless of who they are. Libertarians seem to want government-approved class division, and Arbeit Macht Frei. Just sayin'.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.

first let me state adding 50 US jobs is better than 0 US jobs is it not? Illogical thinking

Do you think google, yahoo, or any other MAJOR website is run by a couple of teenagers in their bedroom? Or do you think it takes maybe a bit more than 2 people to run a multi-billion dollar internet industry?
Illogical thinking

You liken my ability to read someone's betting patterns, and use basic math skills to outwit an opponent....to screwing them?!
Illogical thinking

And the best yet...you compared playing poker to smoking pot?!
Illogical thinking

There is a pattern forming here

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

KeithReynolds wrote:Its also a good way to make money for people who are on govt assistance and sit on their asses at home all damn day.

Online poker is not legit job. Never was, and never will be. Sorry dudes.

I do agree that the govt should stay the fuck out of it though. Well, maybe regulate it so the people who are collecting government money already arent able to win/lose all their money in front of their computer playing card games.

Im holding on tight for the GO FISH TOURNAMENTS.

And you kinda argued with yourself but you won in the end! ha ha ha

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday May 30, 2011

lonewolf wrote: Most of your posts go on and on, directionless and pointless; however, I believe that I actually gleaned something from this post.

Johnny, why are you such a government fascist?

Post of the Year!!!

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday May 30, 2011

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.
Most of your posts go on and on, directionless and pointless; however, I believe that I actually gleaned something from this post.

Johnny, why are you such a government fascist?

I was thinking that Johnny is a closet socialist. Then most Liberals are.

As for the topic, no online poker should not be illegal. I play it and like it. The only thing I don't like is the bots. You can't tell me that the big sites don't have them. If they are going to operate in the USA, they should have offices in the USA, not some foreign country. There goes my independent view again.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

sstuckey wrote:
songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.
first let me state adding 50 US jobs is better than 0 US jobs is it not? Illogical thinking

Do you think google, yahoo, or any other MAJOR website is run by a couple of teenagers in their bedroom? Or do you think it takes maybe a bit more than 2 people to run a multi-billion dollar internet industry?
Illogical thinking

You liken my ability to read someone's betting patterns, and use basic math skills to outwit an opponent....to screwing them?!
Illogical thinking

And the best yet...you compared playing poker to smoking pot?!
Illogical thinking

There is a pattern forming here

I'm still waiting for your attempt to turn your illogical rambling into something that resembles an actual thought process. Or do you tap out so easily?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Monday May 30, 2011

sstuckey wrote:I'm trying to fight for my cause and did it in the wrong thread. I'm trying again in a new one. So tell me.....should online poker be illegal? And why or why not?

If you think it should be legal here's an outlet to have your voice heard.
http://www.onlinepokerpetition.org/

I know you brought this subject up in another thread and I never responded to it.
For instance I don't own a gun, but I am against gun control, I don't play online poker either. If people want to play I say go for it !

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

Hawk wrote:
sstuckey wrote:I'm trying to fight for my cause and did it in the wrong thread. I'm trying again in a new one. So tell me.....should online poker be illegal? And why or why not?

If you think it should be legal here's an outlet to have your voice heard.
http://www.onlinepokerpetition.org/
I know you brought this subject up in another thread and I never responded to it.
For instance I don't own a gun, but I am against gun control, I don't play online poker either. If people want to play I say go for it !

Well better late than never.

You should give it a try, if they come to their wits and make it legal again. Its fun and if you don't wanna play with real money, all sites have a 'play money' options, as well as freerolls.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday May 30, 2011

I tried to play one time, but everything was going so fast....I just dropped out.

Can you recommend a site for a rank beginner? I would like to play for a while before actually placing real money bets.

sstuckey · Post by **sstuckey** » Monday May 30, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:I tried to play one time, but everything was going so fast....I just dropped out.

Can you recommend a site for a rank beginner? I would like to play for a while before actually placing real money bets.

Well I personally prefer Pokerstars but you need to use pokerstars.net since the .com is a paysite. Also if you enjoy reading, there's hundreds of sites that provide tips and ways to improve your game. I do agree, it can be a bit of chaos and seem overwhelming at first, but once you get the hang of it, you'll become a pro in no time. Feel free to ask me anything as I've been playing online for quite a few years until the current shut-down.

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Monday May 30, 2011

I play in Ultimate Bet, but I only play on the play money tables. I don't gamble when I play online, but I don't think it should illegal. If someone wants to take money that they earned and gamble with it, that should be their business.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

sstuckey wrote:
sstuckey wrote:
songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.
first let me state adding 50 US jobs is better than 0 US jobs is it not? Illogical thinking

Do you think google, yahoo, or any other MAJOR website is run by a couple of teenagers in their bedroom? Or do you think it takes maybe a bit more than 2 people to run a multi-billion dollar internet industry?
Illogical thinking

You liken my ability to read someone's betting patterns, and use basic math skills to outwit an opponent....to screwing them?!
Illogical thinking

And the best yet...you compared playing poker to smoking pot?!
Illogical thinking

There is a pattern forming here
I'm still waiting for your attempt to turn your illogical rambling into something that resembles an actual thought process. Or do you tap out so easily?

Sigh. Okay, here goes:
50 US jobs is less than one McDonald's. One McDonald's can close without having any effect on the US unemployment rate. You're assuming that because you play poker, good hard-working Americans are feeding their families, so you have to be able to play your table-game. Never mind Pokerstars is based in the Isle of Man, and Israeli-owned. Never mind the offshore bank accounts, the fancy book-keeping, the exploitation of addiction, the organized crime ties, money-laundering, bank fraud, damn it, you are a bona-fide cardsharp, and there's nobody better, so you MUST play. You have a right, no matter what. In your own little world, you have the power and authority to save the planet. Hey, man, poker is the answer... seems very "logical."
Your assertion that these poker sites are on a level of employment or legitimacy of Yahoo or Google, well, that's just silly. I checked, Google is the #1 most-used site on the web. Pokerstars is tied for 1,371st. Google employs 10,674 people, many here in PA. Pokerstars claims 1000, but it's difficult to tell for sure, because it's not American.
Your assertion that you are skilled at reading people and using math might impress the other "riverboat gamblers," but the idea that it gives you the authority to deem what is logical or illogical shows you don't understand logic. Please explain the logic of how poker will save America. Can online Halo save us? Second Life? Farmville?
Now, to the comparison of smoking pot to playing poker... I know this is going to be difficult, but please follow along: If poker was outlawed, see, people would simply play poker in their own homes, understand? Just like how pot is illegal, but over half of people have tried it, and 20% of the adult population uses at least occasionally. How 'bout if I compare it to sex, maybe that'll help. Not so long ago, fellatio was against the law, but people still did it. It's not the end of the world if you can't do the one thing that makes you feel effective in society. It just sucks for you personally.
In short, this is about you, sstuckey. You play poker, and feel like you're good at it. You feel it is a viable skill. I feel it is as viable and important as being good at Boggle, or Sudoku, so your skill is unimportant to me, and anyone who wastes our time in different ways. You don't have to wonder if you're truly a new Libertarian. Because you hyperinflate the importance of something you want because of it's value to you personally, you are Libertarian. That's not a dig. That's ME making a definition. How's it feel?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

"Your posts ramble on and are so directionless and pointless that it is nearly impossible to identify a single idea. As Steve suggested, there is very little logic to your posts as they are usually just a rehash of populist sentiment. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

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Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

songsmith wrote:How many jobs does online poker create? I'd bet not more than 100 worldwide, and I'd lean towards 50 in the US. How many people does it take to run a website? This site gets thousands of hits a day, and requires two people, part-time. Unpaid, I might add.
This is a non-issue. You can play poker all you want, there is no loss of freedom. I'll buy you a deck of cards, if you like. Can't play without betting? Bummer. If you're a bona-fide poker-shark (for some reason, most people who play poker contend that they are the best at it), you'll find a way to take someone's money in a back-room somewhere, much the same way pot-smokers always eventually find weed, which also happens to be illegal.
You're either a lone rebel flouting societal norms, or you aren't. Should you ask for the public's blessing on your abilty to screw them at a table game? Is that what you're asking? Doesn't seem like a difficult answer.

Can't play poker w/o betting dude, betting or "stakes" is an integral part of the game.

Why shouldn't we in the "free" USA be able to play poker online for stakes? The lottery is legal betting is it not; sanctioned by the state and heavily marketed to the poor. I don't see you railing against that egregious injustice?! the lottery is a real sucker's game !

I signed your petition!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

Lottery proceeds benefit the elderly in PA, and education in many others. Online betting sites benefit an elderly Israeli guy. I'm not against gambling at all, suckers are suckers. I'm against people waving it in my face like it's humanity's biggest problem that they need it.
I play table games without the possibility of winning money exclusively, though I don't place a lot of importance on it. It's a GAME. I don't have that need to beat my little sister at Monopoly every time to prove my virility. It's like being good at fishing... I'm experienced at it, reasonably effective at it, but I giggle at the guys who spend their lives trying to become pro, fishing in tournaments. I'd just as soon fish as play music, and that's saying alot, but I don't need a televised weigh-in to have a good time fishing. I've never made a dime fishing, and still somehow love it. How can that be?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday May 31, 2011

songsmith wrote:Lottery proceeds benefit the elderly in PA, and education in many others. Online betting sites benefit an elderly Israeli guy. I'm not against gambling at all, suckers are suckers. I'm against people waving it in my face like it's humanity's biggest problem that they need it.
I play table games without the possibility of winning money exclusively, though I don't place a lot of importance on it. It's a GAME. I don't have that need to beat my little sister at Monopoly every time to prove my virility. It's like being good at fishing... I'm experienced at it, reasonably effective at it, but I giggle at the guys who spend their lives trying to become pro, fishing in tournaments. I'd just as soon fish as play music, and that's saying alot, but I don't need a televised weigh-in to have a good time fishing. I've never made a dime fishing, and still somehow love it. How can that be?

Where is he waving it in your face; you choose to reply this thread multiple times.

Why aren't you giggling at those in that long lottery line too, much better chance of winning a fishing tourny or getting struck by lightening 3X.

And the ends does not justify the means. I don't care where they are shunting that lottery $, it's a grossly unjust game and aimed squarely at the poor and uneducated. You are naive not all that money finds its way to the "elderly". (i have to giggle now because you use that buzz phrase"it's for the elderly" in same vein many "oh but it's for the children")like that justifies anything and everything

Ok, you don't like games of chance with real stakes, maybe I do. Why shouldn't i be allowed the freedom to pursue my passion here in the good ol USA?

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